I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[Beth77]

This is not a good translation.

In Greek you have kolasin aionion which translates as eternal punishment.

That is incorrect. But if it's true then all of the verses in the OP are false.

 

[Beth77]

Jesus's mission is to reconcile ALL THINGS back to God.

Jesus said that the Gates of Hell will NOT stop him from fulfilling his mission to reconcile ALL THINGS back to God.

Yes, Jesus WILL SAVE all beings although some will first have to through the Lake of Fire experience.

 

[Clare73]

Yeah, God wants to save everyone, But There's Just Nothing He Can Do

God wanted Pharaoh to let his people go (Ex 4:10, 22) but God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he would not let them go (Ex 4:21).

 

[Beth77]

God wanted Pharaoh to let his people go (Ex 4:10, 22) but God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he would not let them go (Ex 4:21).

Do you believe that God has a plan to reconcile ALL THINGS back to him, even the naughty Pharaoh?

 

[Clare73]

Do you believe that God has a plan to reconcile ALL THINGS back to him, even the naughty Pharaoh?

No. . .God has a plan to reconcile ALL THINGS that are in Christ back to him.

Not all things are in Christ.

 

[Friar Tuck]

Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

The bible teaches us to love and forgive even our enemies , and so I believe that God will not do any less himself.

 

[Clare73]

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Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

The bible teaches us to love and forgive even our enemies , and so I believe that God will not do any less himself.

Because our "enemies" may end up being our Christian brethren in the faith. . .

 

[Beth77]

No. . .God has a plan to reconcile ALL THINGS that are in Christ back to him.

Not all things are in Christ.

You don't believe this?

Ephesians 1:7-10
7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[c] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

 

[Friar Tuck]

From what i'm seeing on this thread , it appears that Gods word is not at fault here but our interpretation of them is.
Ah well I guess thats the way it's always going to be.

 

[timothyu]

According to God's command to Pharaoh, I say God wanted Pharaoh to let his people go (Ex 3:10, 4:22-23). . .yet God hardened his heart so that he would not let them go (Ex 4:21).

And then let the saved die in the desert anyway and never see the promised land because as usual they put their will ahead of his. He made it simple, they all made it difficult.

 

[Beth77]

From what i'm seeing on this thread , it appears that Gods word is not at fault here but our interpretation of them is.
Ah well I guess thats the way it's always going to be.

I don't think there's much to interpret in the following verse. All people will live.

1 Corinthians 15:22
English Standard Version
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

[Friar Tuck]

Because our "enemies" may end up being our Christian brethren in the faith. . .

Bingo! ....

 

[d taylor]

Post 50 shares verses that state that God wants all to be saved and that God gets what God wants. As for the how and why, you can ask God when you meet him.

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No actually the verse is not addressing eternal life salvation. The perish is that anyone should die

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

If Repentance Is Turning from Sins, then Doesn’t 2 Peter 3:9 Teach Salvation by Turning from Sins? – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[Hoping2]

Do you believe that God gets what he sets out to do?

Yes.
But a lot of the time what He 'sets out to do' is contingent on the folks involved in the decisions He makes.
He set out to free the Israelites from Egyptian bondage, but most of the Israelites wanted to return to Egypt, after a while in the desert.
It turned out the way He designed it though, as the entire venture was to show us a pattern of things to come; and to further his agenda regarding the Word's coming to earth in the flesh to save them who turn from sin.
The pattern...a promised land flowing with milk and honey.
But nobody was found worthy of it except two men.
The fulfillment of that pattern...eternal life with God.
But only those who love Him enough to hold Him above any other wants will receive it.

 

[Jipsah]

He can persuade but will not force anyone to change their mind. Choice. Eve and Adam chose to rebel, we must choose to repent. Otherwise it all serves no purpose. he could have forced them back on track right from the start. And again repent means change. God will not force change. It has to come from us by way of a new understanding opposite to what the world we have made in our own image teaches each since birth. The blind leading the blind.

God has given us the opportunity to do His will.
He won't force us to love and obey Him.

You'd probably have to explain that to folks like Jonah and Gideon and Balaam and Pharoah and St. Paul. The "God doesn't force anyone" canard doesn't tally with Scripture.

 

[bèlla]

God’s word is not at fault. It’s the inability for some to accept the truth because it doesn’t assuage their conscience.

~bella

 

[Hoping2]

You'd probably have to explain that to folks like Jonah and Gideon and Balaam and Pharoah and St. Paul. The "God doesn't force anyone" canard doesn't tally with Scripture.

What is there to explain ?
God took some who started out hating God, and through their experiences, they turned to loving Him. (Jonah, Balaam, Gideon, Matthew, Paul)
Others who hated Him kept on hating Him until the day of their punishment. (Pharaoh, Herod, Judas)
God doesn't force anyone to love Him.
He will, however, give men the chance to turn from evil and unto righteousness.
But that patience has a dead-line.

 

[Beth77]

From what i'm seeing on this thread , it appears that Gods word is not at fault here but our interpretation of them is.
Ah well I guess thats the way it's always going to be.

I believe God allows us to be lost from him and the truth, but only for a period of time. During this time we learn many things and, ultimately, learn that the ONLY correct path is by following him, our creator and our Father.

That's why there are so many religious systems. Mankind is scattered because we are not united (yet) under the one true God. The ages will culminate with God being "all in ALL" as described in 1 Corinthians 15.

 

[Beth77]

But that patience has a dead-line.

They will hate Jesus until God grants them the ability to repent and the ability to follow the Son. 1 Corinthians 15:25.

 

[Beth77]

You'd probably have to explain that to folks like Jonah and Gideon and Balaam and Pharoah and St. Paul. The "God doesn't force anyone" canard doesn't tally with Scripture.

Indeed.

As far as I can tell, none of us asked to be here. I certainly didn't ask to suffer through painful dental work as a child but God made me go through it. Why did he do that to me? God certainly forces his will upon us every single day! Free will. Lol.

I believe Paul summed it up best.

Romans 8:18. ESV For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.