I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[Hoping2]

They will hate Jesus until God grants them the ability to repent and the ability to follow the Son. 1 Corinthians 15:25.

Your verse is quite out of context, as the enemy yet to be put under His feet, is death.
God doesn't hold anyone back from repenting from sin.
As I wrote earlier, the OP/s doctrine accommodates sin.
It is not of God.

 

[Hoping2]

Indeed.

As far as I can tell, none of us asked to be here. I certainly didn't ask to suffer through painful dental work as a child but God made me go through it. Why did he do that to me? God certainly forces his will upon us every single day! Free will. Lol.

I believe Paul summed it up best.

Romans 8:18. ESV For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

It would be a shame to miss that glory because one thought that no matter what they do here and now, it wouldn't matter.
Jesus said..."Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt 7:22-23)

 

[Jipsah]

Yes.
But a lot of the time what He 'sets out to do' is contingent on the folks involved in the decisions He makes.

So God gets what He wants... except when He doesn't.

Right. We're back to "Poor God, There's Just Nothing He Can Do."

He set out to free the Israelites from Egyptian bondage, but most of the Israelites wanted to return to Egypt, after a while in the desert.
It turned out the way He designed it though, as the entire venture was to show us a pattern of things to come; and to further his agenda regarding the Word's coming to earth in the flesh to save them who turn from sin.
The pattern...a promised land flowing with milk and honey.
But nobody was found worthy of it except two men.
The fulfillment of that pattern...eternal life with God.
But only those who love Him enough to hold Him above any other wants will receive it.

 

[Aaron112]

Painful d work, or suffering with c , or crippling a, or most anything known,
or pain and suffering because of persecution, fiery trials (promised), mankind's wickednesses abounding all over the world .....
..... all of that is part and parcel of life in this evil world; sinful wicked men.....

Why does the Creator Himself use suffering , discipline, chastening, purging, etc ?
Why does His Word dare to say "Count it all joy!?" and His followers , including martyrs, do count it all as joy and rejoice that they are counted worthy to suffer for the Gospel's sake by and in God's Plan.

p.s. usually or often in the usa, pain is the simple result of man's wickedness, including making it most difficult to find the true causes. (whether pollution, or diet, or toxins in drugs and food and water and air).... seems complicated, eh? it is complicated in a way, yet so simple frequently if the truth is known and found out.

 

[Aaron112]

God certainly forces his will upon us every single day!

Yet many thwart His Plan for their life, choosing themselves to disobey , to sin, to grow in sin and even to revel or to party in sin, instead of turning to Him for help and for salvation.

 

[trophy33]

Yet many thwart His Plan for their life, choosing themselves to disobey , to sin, to grow in sin and even to revel or to party in sin, instead of turning to Him for help and for salvation.

Yet this is just because they lack specific grace, gifts - to want the good things, to know what is needed to know, to see a broader picture etc.

In the end, it is always in God's "hands".

 

[Beth77]

Yet many thwart His Plan for their life, choosing themselves to disobey , to sin, to grow in sin and even to revel or to party in sin, instead of turning to Him for help and for salvation.

True. In the end, however, when they have nothing, they will seek God and he will save them.

 

[Beth77]

In the end, it is always in God's "hands".

It's God's plan. He created the program and we're subject to his programming so, yea, it's in his hands.

 

[Beth77]

Why does the Creator Himself use suffering , discipline, chastening, purging, etc ?
Why does His Word dare to say "Count it all joy!?" and His followers , including martyrs, do count it all as joy and rejoice that they are counted worthy to suffer for the Gospel's sake by and in God's Plan.

So well said. Thank you.

 

[Beth77]

It would be a shame to miss that glory because one thought that no matter what they do here and now, it wouldn't matter.

It does matter - a lot!

Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL people from forever death. However, faith in Jesus and a sincere desire to follow and obey him saves people from a very unpleasant experience in the LOF. Faithful Christians are assured of going straight to Heaven and being transformed into perfection the nice and easy way.

1 John 3:3
And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

Others are sent to the LOF and at some point they come out of it having been purified and desiring to follow Jesus to the Father. Does it matter? Hell yea!

 

[David Lamb]

It does matter - a lot!

Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL people from forever death. However, faith in Jesus and a sincere desire to follow and obey him saves people from a very unpleasant experience in the LOF. Faithful Christians are assured of going straight to Heaven and being transformed into perfection the nice and easy way.

1 John 3:3
And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

Others are sent to the LOF and at some point they come out of it having been purified and desiring to follow Jesus to the Father. Does it matter? Hell yea!

If Jesus's sacrifice saves all people who ever existed or will exist, why does Jesus say:

“"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (Joh 3:16 NKJV)

If Jesus's sacrifice saves all people, why did He not say: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everybody should not perish but have everlasting life.”?

 

[Beth77]

If Jesus's sacrifice saves all people who ever existed or will exist, why does Jesus say:

“"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (Joh 3:16 NKJV)

If Jesus's sacrifice saves all people, why did He not say: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everybody should not perish but have everlasting life.”?

Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL people from forever death. Faith in and a sincere desire to follow and obey Jesus saves people from the LOF.

Those who "perish" are those who are "destroyed" and rebuilt in the LOF. Remember that in Revelation Jesus announces that he is making "ALL THINGS NEW"!

We know very little about the LOF. Mainstream Christianity teaches that it is a place of endless punishment. Those with better discernment know that it is a place or a process of correction for the purpose of restoration.

We DO know that the LOF should absolutely be avoided. Faithful Christians have nothing to fear. Unfaithful Christians and the wicked should be concerned.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL people from forever death. Faith in and a sincere desire to follow and obey Jesus saves people from the LOF.

Those who "perish" are those who are "destroyed" and rebuilt in the LOF. Remember that in Revelation Jesus announces that he is making "ALL THINGS NEW"!

We know very little about the LOF. Mainstream Christianity teaches that it is a place of endless punishment. Those with better discernment know that it is a place or a process of correction for the purpose of restoration.

We DO know that the LOF should absolutely be avoided. Faithful Christians have nothing to fear. Unfaithful Christians and the wicked should be concerned.

I do not agree. Sorry. I cannot find in Scripture any notion that Christ saves even those who refuse to believe in Him.

 

[Beth77]

I do not agree. Sorry. I cannot find in Scripture any notion that Christ saves even those who refuse to believe in Him.

God wants all to be saved.
God gets what God wants.
All will follow Jesus.
All of those are in the scriptures.

 

[David Lamb]

God wants all to be saved.
God gets what God wants.
All will follow Jesus.
All of those are in the scriptures.

Yet Jesus said:

“"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.” (Joh 10:11 NKJV)

Later in the same chapter, He said to some of His hearers:

“"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.” (Joh 10:26 NKJV)

 

[Beth77]

Yet Jesus said:

“"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.” (Joh 10:11 NKJV)

Later in the same chapter, He said to some of His hearers:

“"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.” (Joh 10:26 NKJV)

None of that contradicts that God sent Jesus into the world to reconcile ALL things back to him and that Jesus WILL succeed in his mission. Remember, the Gates of Hell will NOT prevail! Nothing will stop Jesus from reconciling ALL things back to the Father.

Why do you believe that Jesus will fail?

 

[David Lamb]

None of that contradicts that God sent Jesus into the world to reconcile ALL things back to him and that Jesus WILL succeed in his mission. Remember, the Gates of Hell will NOT prevail! Nothing will stop Jesus from reconciling ALL things back to the Father.

Why do you believe that Jesus will fail?

I say straight away that I certainly do not believe that Jesus will fail. He said He died for His sheep, and t6hat His sheep believe on Him and hear Him. The gates of hell will not prevail against the church whose builder is Christ:

“I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Mt 16:18 NKJV)

The word translated "church" is the Greek word "ekklesia", which means "called-out ones," so it cannot mean everybody.

 

[Beth77]

The word translated "church" is the Greek word "ekklesia", which means "called-out ones," so it cannot mean everybody.

So all things doesn't mean all things?

 

[Apple Sky]

He was a prophet who accepted his calling beforehand. Not a layman.


~bella

Who was Jonah ? What's his genealogy.

 

[David Lamb]

So all things doesn't mean all things?

Scripture does not contain contradictions, so as Jesus says that He lay down His life for the sheep, and tells some hearers that they are not His sheep, then whatever reconciling all things means, it cannot go against what Jesus said about not dying for everybody without exception. As John Piper writes on this verse:

"Will Everyone Be Saved?​

First, through Christ, God reconciles all things to himself, whether in heaven or on earth. Does that mean that there is universal salvation and that, in the end, hell will not exist, and all unbelievers and all demons and Satan himself will be reconciled and saved?

The first problem with that interpretation is that Paul himself, both in this letter of Colossians and elsewhere, teaches that there will be the final wrath of God that will last forever on people. It’s not even that they will be put out of existence (called annihilationism). For example, in Colossians 3:5–6, he says, “Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath of God is coming.”

That is only part of the article; the whole can be read here: How Did God Reconcile ‘All Things’ to Himself?