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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

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This can help the reader to understand how Christianity adopted the ungodly doctrine of forever punishment:

I found this interesting. This was Chatgpt response to the meaning of the word aion or aionios as it is used in the New Testament.

"Aiónios (αἰώνιος)
Root Meaning:As the adjective form of αἰών, αἰώνιος should logically carry the sense of "pertaining to an age" or "age-enduring."
It does not inherently mean eternal but rather something that endures for the duration of an age, which could be finite or infinite depending on the context.


Theological Context: Origen and Clement of Alexandria, were among the early Christian theologians who interpreted αἰώνιος in terms of finite "ages" rather than unending eternity, unless specifically referring to God or divine attributes. They often emphasized restoration (apokatastasis), suggesting that aiónios punishment was corrective and limited to an age, not eternal.


In contrast, later theological developments (particularly under Augustine) interpreted αἰώνιος as equivalent to "eternal" in a more absolute sense, especially in discussions of eternal punishment versus eternal life."
Even AI understands that the meaning of the word aion evolved and was later translated as eternity particularly under Augustine.
 
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Do you doubt that God can persuade anybody to follow him?
He can persuade but will not force anyone to change their mind. Choice. Eve and Adam chose to rebel, we must choose to repent. Otherwise it all serves no purpose. he could have forced them back on track right from the start. And again repent means change. God will not force change. It has to come from us by way of a new understanding opposite to what the world we have made in our own image teaches each since birth. The blind leading the blind.
 
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He can persuade but will not force anyone to change their mind. Choice. Eve and Adam chose to rebel, we must choose to repent. Otherwise it all serves no purpose. he could have forced them back on track right from the start. And again repent means change. God will not force change. It has to come from us by way of a new understanding opposite to what the world we have made in our own image teaches each since birth. The blind leading the blind.

All will declare that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Don't rely on your own understanding. Have faith in God and in his plan!

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
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This can help the reader to understand how Christianity adopted the ungodly doctrine of forever punishment:

I found this interesting. This was Chatgpt response to the meaning of the word aion or aionios as it is used in the New Testament.

"Aiónios (αἰώνιος)
Root Meaning:As the adjective form of αἰών, αἰώνιος should logically carry the sense of "pertaining to an age" or "age-enduring."
It does not inherently mean eternal but rather something that endures for the duration of an age, which could be finite or infinite depending on the context.
Hello Beth,

I hope you're having a good day. In response I would ask that when the bible talks about everlasting punishment that's temporary but everlasting life is eternal? God Bless
 
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Great point. I believe that verse in most English translations is mistranslated, which causes those Bible versions to contradict themselves.
You are correct, but some things written in reference to one body, say Israel; may not apply to other bodies further down the road.
Your interpretation that shows God forgiving those who hated Him, is not the truth.
That would make God an unjust God.
I believe the following is a correct translation and thus does NOT contradict the aforementioned verses in the OP.
Matthew 25:46

Young's Literal Translation​

46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
...and that really makes some kind of sense to you ?
It doesn't, to me.
 
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This seems to be the Korean Christian outlook that I see in their tv and movies
Really? Zat Korean Catholic, or Korean Presbyterian? Or maybe the homegrown Korean Evangelical viewpoint? Korean SDAs? (Yeah, they're out there, -sigh-) There are even Korean Anglicans, and even quite a few Half Korean Anglicans, at least in Middle Tennessee. "Korean Christianity" is hardly a monolith, and I find it highly unlikely that even if it was, you wouldn't get much of a feel for it from watching Korean dramas. If you want learn about "Korean Christianity", I'd suggest going to a Korean Church( preferably Anglican :oldthumbsup: ) They almost all have Englidh services, and you'll be made welcome. No one will even expect you to bow.
that even punishment is only for as long a we ourselves dictate by way of the amount of or misdeeds.
I' can't recall hearing any Hankooksaram express that viewpoint, although I'm sure there whoare those do embrace it
 
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Yeah, because however much God wants to save everyone, There's Just Nothing He Can Do...
That is true, as He is never changing.
He has laid out the promises the obedient shall inherit, along with the promised results of a life of disobedience.
Like the patterns of the OT.
The disobedient Jews never saw the Promised Land.
Did He later relent of that judgement ?
No, He did not.
 
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Repentance means to change.. choosing to change from our will to the Will of the Father. It has to be a choice,
Man's Will Trump's God's Will again. Hmmm....Innat weird?
 
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Yep, we're all toast.
Not at all, as God sent His Son to not only die for our past sins, but also to show us that any man can live without sin.
His example will not be forgotten on the day of judgement.
Yeah, I mean, there's only so much that God can do. I mean, He wants everyone to be saved, but most folks end up tortured forever anyway, right?
God has provided all we require to be found guiltless on the day of judgement.
Everyone with that knowledge will have no excuse for their sins.

The doctrine espoused by the OP is just like every other false doctrine...it accommodates sin.
 
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Hello Beth,

I hope you're having a good day. In response I would ask that when the bible talks about everlasting punishment that's temporary but everlasting life is eternal? God Bless

If punishment is "everlasting" then a whole bunch of scripture is heresy, such as the scriptures in the OP. The KJV contradicts ITSELF due to mistranslation. The YLT translation does not.

Matthew 25:46
Young's Literal Translation
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

Matthew 25:46
King James Version

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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REV 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

REV 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Always found this interesting. The first batch was in the Lake, the second batch in the Kingdom but outside the city.
 
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46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
This is not a good translation.

In Greek you have kolasin aionion which translates as eternal punishment.

Hell is not temporary.

Also, look at the cross. Either Christ paid for your sins, or He has not and you will pay for the debt of your sins for eternity.
 
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which translates as eternal punishment
Which need not mean eternal awareness

Either Christ paid for your sins, or He has not and you will pay for the debt of your sins for eternity.
Or He did what was required to bring the Kingdom to fruition in spite of our sins since the Garden, not cover for our unrepentant trespasses
 
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So how does a dead unbeliever receive the Life of God, which is a free gift to living people.

Post 50 shares verses that state that God wants all to be saved and that God gets what God wants. As for the how and why, you can ask God when you meet him. :)
 
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Yeah, because however much God wants to save everyone, There's Just Nothing He Can Do...
God's operation is not as "simple" as you think.

According to God's command to Pharaoh, I say God wanted Pharaoh to let his people go (Ex 3:10, 4:22-23). . .yet God hardened his heart so that he would not let them go (Ex 4:21).
 
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