I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[Beth77]

I have always wondered how Christians can be happy living in heaven or where ever , while their unbelieving friends and loved ones are suffering somewhere else.

My mother ,father and brother have all passed on and were unbelievers , and as a believer I do wonder how happy I might be after I die knowing this. To be honest , I don't think i'm going to be happy at all unless I see them again.

I believe you'll see them again, in God's Kingdom.

Jesus is the "Good Shepherd" and he NEVER gives up looking to save the lost.

 

[Beth77]

Just wondering , and did Jesus say ( ALL THINGS )

OR did Jesus say ( THE ALL THINGS )

dan p

They're all in the Bible.

 

[Beth77]

Here's another:

Titus 2:11
English Standard Version
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

 

[Hoping2]

I appreciate your honesty. I believe the Bible and that's why I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God's Kingdom.

The bible can. and has been misused/quoted for centuries.
The only way to believe the op's POV, is to ignore a lot of other scriptures that counter it.
Like:..."Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matt 25:45-46)

 

[Beth77]

The bible can. and has been misused/quoted for centuries.
The only way to believe the op's POV, is to ignore a lot of other scriptures that counter it.
Like:..."Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matt 25:45-46)

Great point. I believe that verse in most English translations is mistranslated, which causes those Bible versions to contradict themselves.

I believe the following is a correct translation and thus does NOT contradict the aforementioned verses in the OP.

Matthew 25:46

Young's Literal Translation

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46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

 

[St_Worm2]

Hello again Beth77, here are a couple of verses (much like the ones that you posited for us in the OP) that were spoken by the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul. What do you think of them/of what they have to say?

Luke 14​

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not ~hate~ his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." ​

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1 Timothy 2​

15 Women will be ~saved through childbearing~—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. ​

Was Jesus wrong to say what He did in Luke 14:26? If so, why? And how do we know? Likewise, was Paul wrong when he taught us how women are saved in 1 Timothy 2:15? Why/Why not?

I'll comment directly about some of the verses in your OP after work today (Dv). For now, though, I've gotta go

God bless you!!

--David

John 3​

16 “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that ~whosoever believes~ in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."​

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[Ivan Hlavanda]

I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off forever

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

1 Corinthians 15:22-28
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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What you described is universalism.

The Bible is clear that unredeemed men will dwell forever in hell. Jesus’ own words confirm that the time spent in heaven for the redeemed will last as long as that of the unredeemed in hell. Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” According to this verse, the punishment of the unsaved is just as eternal as the life of the righteous. Some believe that those in hell will eventually cease to exist, but the Lord Himself confirms that it will last forever. Matthew 25:41 and Mark 9:44 describe hell as “eternal fire” and “unquenchable fire.”

How does one avoid this unquenchable fire? Many people believe that all roads—all religions and beliefs—lead to heaven, or they consider that God is so full of love and mercy that He will allow all people into heaven. God is certainly full of love and mercy; it was these qualities that led Him to send His Son, Jesus Christ, to earth to die on the cross for us. Jesus Christ is the exclusive door that leads to an eternity in heaven. Acts 4:12 says, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” “There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” 1 Timothy 2:5. In John 14:6, Jesus says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” If we choose to reject God’s Son, we do not meet the requirements for salvation John 3:18.

With verses such as these, it becomes clear that universalism and universal salvation are unbiblical beliefs. Universalism directly contradicts what Scripture teaches. While many people accuse Christians of being intolerant and “exclusive,” it is important to remember that these are the words of Christ Himself. Christians did not develop these ideas on their own; Christians are simply stating what the Lord has already said. People choose to reject the message because they do not want to face up to their sin and admit that they need the Lord to save them. To say that those who reject God’s provision of salvation through His Son will be saved is to belittle the holiness and justice of God and negate the need of Jesus’ sacrifice on our behalf.

Rev 14 9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

 

[bèlla]

I have always wondered how Christians can be happy living in heaven or where ever , while their unbelieving friends and loved ones are suffering somewhere else.

My mother ,father and brother have all passed on and were unbelievers , and as a believer I do wonder how happy I might be after I die knowing this. To be honest , I don't think i'm going to be happy at all unless I see them again.

Someone said to Him, “Look! Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside asking to speak to You.” But Jesus replied to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And stretching out His hand toward His disciples [and all His other followers], He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven [by believing in Me, and following Me] is My brother and sister and mother.”

One of the benefits of living in times like these is the ability to understand the gravity of choice. Unlike other periods, we’re inundated with distractions and vices around the clock. It takes a genuine regard for God and a desire to be in His presence to make Him a priority. And for the majority in the west the gospel is available. It isn’t locked away out of reach or accessible at the cost of our lives or freedom. We can enter a church, buy a book or pull up a website. Every moment we choose otherwise is a choice. Much like we decide to watch a sport, streaming program or play on our phone.

We’ve all heard the saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. That holds true for faith and other things as well. You can’t make them accept Him. Nor can you expect Him to pardon everyone who didn’t because you feel bad. It’s the antithesis of order. The Parable of the Sower prepares us for the uncomfortable reality some are wrestling with. Four soils are described in the text with seed in their presence. But three out of four won’t make the cut. It’s right there before our eyes. Only 1 out of 4 will hear and produce fruit.

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that continues to bear fruit, He [repeatedly] prunes, so that it will bear more fruit [even richer and finer fruit].

~bella
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[bling]

Here's another:

Titus 2:11
English Standard Version
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

This like all your other verses have alternative interpretations to the one you use. You need to look at many translations and even a literal translation does not give but one translation to each word which might have several possibilities. Just look at the NIV to Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
You can use ESV with the understanding "bringing salvation for all people", does not mean all people will humbly accept that salvation as pure undeserved charity and thus complete the transaction. Love, atonement, forgiveness and all of God's gifts are not just one-sided transactions since the individual must also humbly accept these unconditional gifts as pure undeserved charity.
God does not command you to love Him with a gun to your head, since it would not be Godly type Love or Loving on God's part. This is a huge subject needing many words. Let's start with this one question:
Why did God create humans in the first place (what is our earthly objective)?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off forever

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

1 Corinthians 15:22-28
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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When it is said that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Savior of the whole world, a universalist might take that to mean everyone is automatically saved, no matter what they believe or do. But that's not how I understand it as a traditional Christian.

Let me use an analogy to explain.

Imagine I have a magnificent pear tree in my backyard. This tree produces so many pears that, theoretically, the whole world can eat from it! There's enough provision there to feed every single person on Earth.
However, just because the pears can feed the whole world, that doesn't mean the whole world is actually going to eat from it, or even available to eat from it . Many people might not even know about the tree. Others might not believe the pears are good, or they might prefer other fruit. Some might simply choose not to come and pick one, or they might refuse to eat it even if the pear is offered.
In the same way, Jesus Christ of Nazareth's sacrifice on the cross provides a complete and sufficient means of salvation for all humanity. It's a universal provision. But for someone to actually receive that salvation and be saved, they must believe in Him and accept His gift. The provision is for the whole world, but the reception of it is conditional upon faith and belief. It's not automatic for everyone but available to everyone.
Blessings

 

[Clare73]

I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

"World" can mean two things:

1) both Jew and Gentile (not just Jews),
2) all Jews and all Gentiles.

In the context of Judaism, the meaning is the first.

 

[Jipsah]

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A person has to be born again to enter.

Yeah, God wants to save everyone, But There's Just Nothing He Can Do

 

[Jipsah]

Only those who chose to do so will be saved on the day of judgement.

Yeah, because however much God wants to save everyone, There's Just Nothing He Can Do...

 

[Jipsah]

We have free will to do so or not.

Might wanna ask Jonah about that.

What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

I think that would apply to anyone who gets to Heaven at all. How many of us haven't lived wickedly and without regard for our actions?

God is just

We'd better hope He's not that just. If we're to get what we deserve we're all toast.

and if He didn’t spare the angels who transgressed and expelled them. Why would He do otherwise for man when the remedy was given.

Maybe die on a cross to save them?

Consequence is a fact of life we experience in the natural. The same holds true in the spiritual.

OK, then we are all toast.

 

[Jipsah]

Every man will reap what he has sown.

Yep, we're all toast.

Why do you think the likes of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, will be granted eternal life ?

Yeah, I mean, there's only so much that God can do. I mean, He wants everyone to be saved, but most folks end up tortured forever anyway, right?

 

[Jipsah]

I appreciate your honesty. I believe the Bible and that's why I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God's Kingdom.

If God is God, and God wants everyone to be saved, who's gonna stop Him?

 

[timothyu]

“Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Which is saying both are eternal, one death and one life. With both, the punishment of second death or with life, both cannot be changed. Nothing about life to both.

 

[timothyu]

OK, then we are all toast.

We ARE all toast simply because we put our will ahead of God's Reversing that shows at least that we understand the wisdom of His ways over ours and we stand a chance of repentance and conversion. Excepting that and no longer seeing ourselves as in charge, we are told all we can do is show our allegiance to Him by loving all as self, acting in servitude to God and each other. He will take care of the rest. It is not ours to self-determine.

 

[bèlla]

Might wanna ask Jonah about that.

He was a prophet who accepted his calling beforehand. Not a layman.

OK, then we are all toast.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory. No one is deserving of salvation. He extended His grace to all and those who choose to believe and live as He said have their reward. If we choose otherwise we must accept our fate. Whether we do or not is our decision.

~bella

 

[Beth77]

The Bible is clear that unredeemed men will dwell forever in hell. Jesus’ own words confirm that the time spent in heaven for the redeemed will last as long as that of the unredeemed in hell. Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

I don't believe that Jesus said "forever" or "eternal". I believe that he communicated that people will go into the LOF for a period of time. Here is what I believe Jesus said in Matthew 25:46:

Matthew 25:46

Young's Literal Translation
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46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'