DNC chair rips vice chair David Hogg’s plan to challenge incumbent Democrats

[Always in His Presence]

DNC chair rips vice chair David Hogg’s plan to challenge incumbent Democrats​

PHOENIX (AP) — Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin said Thursday that party officers should be banned from taking sides in primaries, countering DNC Vice Chair David Hogg’s plan to raise money for candidates challenging Democratic incumbents.​

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Martin’s proposal escalates a public feud between the new DNC boss and Hogg, who rose to prominence as a gun-control advocate after surviving the 2018 school shooting in Parkland, Florida. Both were elected by DNC members earlier this year.​

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Martin said he’s drafting proposed bylaw changes to require officers to remain neutral in all Democratic primaries.​

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The infighting in the party continues. IMHO this is what happens when they are leaderless.

 

[chevyontheriver]

DNC chair rips vice chair David Hogg’s plan to challenge incumbent Democrats​

PHOENIX (AP) — Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin said Thursday that party officers should be banned from taking sides in primaries, countering DNC Vice Chair David Hogg’s plan to raise money for candidates challenging Democratic incumbents.​

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Martin’s proposal escalates a public feud between the new DNC boss and Hogg, who rose to prominence as a gun-control advocate after surviving the 2018 school shooting in Parkland, Florida. Both were elected by DNC members earlier this year.​

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Martin said he’s drafting proposed bylaw changes to require officers to remain neutral in all Democratic primaries.​

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The infighting in the party continues. IMHO this is what happens when they are leaderless.

And the leaders they really want are the most extreme. Having primaried Dan Lipinski they now want to primary all but the extreme woke fringe. I say “Let them”. We need new political parties in America. The two we have aren’t doing us any favors.

 

[Pommer]

DNC chair rips vice chair David Hogg’s plan to challenge incumbent Democrats​

PHOENIX (AP) — Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin said Thursday that party officers should be banned from taking sides in primaries, countering DNC Vice Chair David Hogg’s plan to raise money for candidates challenging Democratic incumbents.​

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Martin’s proposal escalates a public feud between the new DNC boss and Hogg, who rose to prominence as a gun-control advocate after surviving the 2018 school shooting in Parkland, Florida. Both were elected by DNC members earlier this year.​

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Martin said he’s drafting proposed bylaw changes to require officers to remain neutral in all Democratic primaries.​

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The infighting in the party continues. IMHO this is what happens when they are leaderless.

Party leaders shouldn’t “lead”?
Alright, then.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Party leaders shouldn’t “lead”?
Alright, then.

The Speaker follows Trump. Trump follows whoever pays him. It's the new normal.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The Speaker follows Trump. Trump follows whoever pays him. It's the new normal.

Except - this thread isn't about Trump -

The thread is about the DEMOCATIC CHAIRMAN - warning the DEMOCRATIC VICE CHAIRMAN - not to use his position to target DEMOCRATIC incumbents.

I understand he is living large in some peoples minds - like a fixation - but wow,

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Except - this thread isn't about Trump -

The thread is about the DEMOCATIC CHAIRMAN - warning the DEMOCRATIC VICE CHAIRMAN - not to use his position to target DEMOCRATIC incumbents.

I understand he is living large in some peoples minds - like a fixation - but wow,

I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to Pommer.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Party leaders shouldn’t “lead”?
Alright, then.

Eh, as much as I initially defended Hogg as a DNC vice-chair in concept, I don't think that party leadership should be actively involved in undermining Democratic candidates. See the anger over the shenanigans the DNC pulled for Clinton to head off Sanders in 2016. It's good to see that current leadership is trying to prevent a repeat of that situation.

The purpose of a party's National Committee is to steer the ship and direct overarching strategy. This can include figuring out which candidates to put forward, privately pressuring specific people to run (or not run), and deciding who gets Committee support for their campaign. But that's all in the background, behind the scenes - they (and their leadership) should not be out there trying to primary incumbents and running attack ads against other party members.

If Hogg wants to do that, that's fine. But he shouldn't be doing it as a DNC vice-chair. I think that's a perfectly reasonable ask.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

David Hogg’s is very young and inexperience for DNC vice-chair. He neeeds to learn more. Hopefully the Democrats and more education in politics will teach him, Democrats need to calm down on LGBTQ+ issues. Both left and right sided voters are getting to crazy. But hopefully some how both sides will come down. But I doubt it.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

And the leaders they really want are the most extreme. Having primaried Dan Lipinski they now want to primary all but the extreme woke fringe. I say “Let them”. We need new political parties in America. The two we have aren’t doing us any favors.

The issue lies not with the two-party system, but with the electorate. Voters have a tendency to favors extremist views.

Both parties are moving towards extremes, and moderates are losing elections because primary voters prefer the most extreme candidates for nominations.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

David Hogg’s is very young and inexperience for DNC vice-chair. He neeeds to learn more. Hopefully the Democrats and more education in politics will teach him, Democrats need to calm down on LGBTQ+ issues. Both left and right sided voters are getting to crazy. But hopefully some how both sides will come down. But I doubt it.

The OP had another thread a few months ago where we were discussing David Hogg's inexperience and whether he should have been the DNC-VC. Many participants in this forum believed that he brings fresh perspectives and innovative ideas, and would be beneficial for the DNC. This outcome highlights the impact of introducing new perspectives and ideas without extensive experience.

I agree with you on LGBTQ and DNC. I believe that the rights of LGBTQ individuals should be equal to those of any other American. The legal system for LGBTQ individuals should be the same as for everyone else. However, that doesn’t mean bathroom use and sports competition between transgender individuals and cisgender individuals.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The OP had another thread a few months ago where we were discussing David Hogg's inexperience and whether he should have been the DNC-VC. Many participants in this forum believed that he brings fresh perspectives and innovative ideas, and would be beneficial for the DNC. This outcome highlights the impact of introducing new perspectives and ideas without extensive experience.

Activists acting like activists is always a risk when you try to bring them into an establishment organization. The hope was that Hogg could lend his perspective on the shifting electorate while stepping back from his own personal activism. Turns out he was unwilling to do that. That's not necessarily a product of inexperience - it's just a signal of personal priorities. He's apparently expressed a willingness to step aside from his position as DNC vice-chair over this, which I think represents a mature outlook.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

It says David Hoggs went to Harvard University. It doesn't say if he went for politics education. His main focus seems to be about guns. But I want to know more about his other politics beliefs. He's been harassed by some older grown up's about his views about gun control. I guess we will see how well, he will do.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Activists acting like activists is always a risk when you try to bring them into an establishment organization. The hope was that Hogg could lend his perspective on the shifting electorate while stepping back from his own personal activism. Turns out he was unwilling to do that. That's not necessarily a product of inexperience - it's just a signal of personal priorities. He's apparently expressed a willingness to step aside from his position as DNC vice-chair over this, which I think represents a mature outlook.

At 24 or 25, he was too inexperienced for a high position in the DNC. The DNC should be blamed for appointing someone lacking experience, as his inability to see the bigger picture clearly shows his inexperience.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

At 24 or 25, he was too inexperienced for a high position in the DNC. The DNC should be blamed for appointing someone lacking experience, as his inability to see the bigger picture clearly shows his inexperience.

I disagree on several levels here.

1. While age can be a marker of experience, it is not the be all and end all. David Hogg, specifically, has been involved in politics for nearly a decade. On paper, that's plenty of experience.

2. I'm not sure why anyone needs to be "blamed" for anything. There's a bit of conflict, but it appears that everything will resolve more or less amicably - Hogg has said he'll step down from the DNC to focus on his PAC if he can't do both.

3. Is it an actual inability to see the big picture, or is it simply a difference in priorities? Hogg is prioritizing activism over supporting the establishment. Both of these paths have value in a political party. Supporting the establishment is not, in and of itself, a sign of experience.

It's hard to say, from an outside perspective, where things went wrong. Maybe Hogg misrepresented his intentions. Maybe he genuinely wanted to work for the DNC and discovered that he preferred activism once he started. Maybe the DNC was naive in thinking that they could bring in an activist and turn him towards the establishment.

 

[Fantine]

The DNC has tried to stop many young, progressive candidates from running by financing primary opponents who are more conservative.
That's why we're not building our bench.
I'm a senior citizen but he's right. We need to mentor and support younger candidates--locally, statewide, nationally.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I disagree on several levels here.

1. While age can be a marker of experience, it is not the be all and end all. David Hogg, specifically, has been involved in politics for nearly a decade. On paper, that's plenty of experience.

2. I'm not sure why anyone needs to be "blamed" for anything. There's a bit of conflict, but it appears that everything will resolve more or less amicably - Hogg has said he'll step down from the DNC to focus on his PAC if he can't do both.

3. Is it an actual inability to see the big picture, or is it simply a difference in priorities? Hogg is prioritizing activism over supporting the establishment. Both of these paths have value in a political party. Supporting the establishment is not, in and of itself, a sign of experience.

It's hard to say, from an outside perspective, where things went wrong. Maybe Hogg misrepresented his intentions. Maybe he genuinely wanted to work for the DNC and discovered that he preferred activism once he started. Maybe the DNC was naive in thinking that they could bring in an activist and turn him towards the establishment.

Hogg is 24 or 25 years old. If you believe that he has a decade of political experience starting from the age of 14, it seems we may have differing views on what constitutes experience. True experience is typically gained through living an adult life and learning from those life experiences.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The DNC has tried to stop many young, progressive candidates from running by financing primary opponents who are more conservative.
That's why we're not building our bench.
I'm a senior citizen but he's right. We need to mentor and support younger candidates--locally, statewide, nationally.

Throughout my 30-year professional career, I have mentored many young professionals who have advanced to higher positions in their careers. However, I have never mentored a 24-year-old recent graduate by giving them a senior or mid-level position. I usually advise recent graduates that regardless of their intelligence or education, they need to start from entry-level positions and gain experience before advancing. This is how to mentor young professionals: provide them with an entry-level position and support their growth. A 24-year-old has only six years of adult life experience, and it is not advisable to assign them the second highest position in a major political party in the most powerful country in the world.

 

[Fantine]

You build the bench at the local, county, and state levels.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Hogg is 24 or 25 years old. If you believe that he has a decade of political experience starting from the age of 14, it seems we may have differing views on what constitutes experience. True experience is typically gained through living an adult life and learning from those life experiences.

You don't suddenly start learning things when you reach a certain age. Learning and gaining experience is a life-long process for most people. Typically, most people do only start to buckle down and get serious some time in their twenties, but that's not a universal constant. In Hogg's case, his experience with a school shooting as a teenager gave him direction and a cause earlier than most.

 

[Fantine]

You don't suddenly start learning things when you reach a certain age. Learning and gaining experience is a life-long process for most people. Typically, most people do only start to buckle down and get serious some time in their twenties, but that's not a universal constant. In Hogg's case, his experience with a school shooting as a teenager gave him direction and a cause earlier than most.

St. Paul was knocked off a horse by lightning.

Hogg's life was turned upside down when he saw his school friends gunned down in Parkland.

Sometimes pivotal moments bring clarity and purpose to a life, and I believe this is what happened to Hogg.

The statistics are backing Hogg up. Except for the perennially young-at-heart Bernie Sanders , young voters are fed up with voting for septugenarians and octagenarians who haven't accomplished what they feel needs to be done in Congress.

My son talks about how AOC wanted to be on a certain committee in the House where she could make a progressive impact, and instead, Jeffries installed a septugenarian Congressman who had cancer (and who I believe has since passed away) because he had more seniority.

I'm a septugenarian myself, and believe I have some Bernie Sanders energy in me. I know that people my age can be purposeful and energized--but not all are. Similarly, cancer should not be a barrier. Jamie Raskin gave his all every day in Congress wearing a kerchief to cover his chemo-baldness.

But I also believe strongly that mentoring and passing-the-torch is necessary in politics. I will gladly vote for young people who are prepared and committed.