DNC opting to not hold primary debates

[ThatRobGuy]

I'm not sure how fair that is actually. While Hillary did get the vast majority of super delegates and that's what pushed her over the edge, she also won the popular vote and pledged delegates by a sizable margin.

These articles explain some of the nuances with the situation

Bernie Sanders vs. the superdelegates, explained

In 2016, Sanders’s fans argued superdelegates cost him the nomination. This time, he might need them.

www.vox.com

How Democratic Superdelegates Decided the 2016 Election

In effect this year, more than any before superdelegates may have not only decided the Democratic nominee, but they likely also chose the next President of the United States.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

The obstruction of other candidates, and favoring of Hillary by the DNC plus the debates both happened.

The end result was a loser DNC candidate against a Charismatic Republican candidate.

Much like with the current deal with the DNC shutting down debates, it's trying to pit a so-yesterday and vanilla DNC candidate against Trump.

"While charges against a former president and leading contender for a major party's presidential nomination are unprecedented, there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents someone who has been charged or convicted from seeking or taking office."

It really looks like rigging is going on for sure.

But that's not what you were claiming. You claimed two things:

1. That the "DNC did the same thing to Bernie" in response to an article about the cancellation of next year's primary debates in support of a sitting president. (The 2016 Democratic primary debates definitely happened and there was no sitting president running for reelection.)

2. (And frankly more disturbingly) That you seem to think that two claims are somehow equivalent because articles espousing both were both near the top of the results from a search engine. In this case that was a wikipedia article with references about the 2016 Democratic Presidential primaries and some article claiming they didn't happen. It implies problems with your critical thinking or evidence evaluation skills. Let us help you with those.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why Robert Kennedy Jr.’s 2024 Bid Is a Headache for Biden

The unexpected polling strength of an anti-vaccine activist with a celebrated Democratic lineage points to the president’s weaknesses, which his team is aiming to shore up.

www.nytimes.com

The unexpected polling strength of an anti-vaccine activist with a celebrated Democratic lineage points to the president’s weaknesses, which his team is aiming to shore up. Those upstart rivals include Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the anti-vaccine activist with a celebrated Democratic lineage who has emerged with unexpected strength in early polls even as he spreads conspiracy theories and consorts with right-wing figures and billionaire donors. Mr. Kennedy’s support from Democrats, as high as 20 percent in some surveys, serves as a bracing reminder of left-leaning voters’ healthy appetite for a Biden alternative, and as a glaring symbol of the president’s weaknesses.​

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Kennedy might just have the following and name recognition to force a primary face off.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Kennedy might just have the following and name recognition to force a primary face off.

Which is sad, because without that "Kennedy legacy" he'd just be some lawyer who became a minor celeb for attacking public health. The whole family is coasting on a modest legacy with almost no real accomplishments in 50 years. Sad, so very sad.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Which is sad, because without that "Kennedy legacy" he'd just be some lawyer who became a minor celeb for attacking public health. The whole family is coasting on a modest legacy with almost no real accomplishments in 50 years. Sad, so very sad.

True - and yet he is gaining on Biden. That has to say something also.

 

[Hans Blaster]

True - and yet he is gaining on Biden. That has to say something also.

To me it shows a disturbing amount of credit given to a dangerous man based on his family name. Until he started to run for president, I thought he was dead.

 

[Always in His Presence]

To me it shows a disturbing amount of credit given to a dangerous man based on his family name. Until he started to run for president, I thought he was dead.

And about 20% of Democratic voters find him an acceptable alternative to Biden.

Commentary: Biden's Got a Big Problem in Early Primary State: 'That's the Line for RFK Jr.'

"Biden outraged many Democrats in the state when he proposed last year to make South Carolina the first to vote in the primary."

ijr.com

However, things don’t work quite that easily — and now, instead of fending off his primary challengers, the move may have handed the New Hampshire primary to none other than Robert F. Kennedy Jr.​

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Kennedy as a presidential candidate is the Democrats’ worst nightmare for a variety of reasons. There is the fact that, aside from his work as an environmentalist, he’s also known for being opposed to every vaccine known to man, and (let’s be frank here) not for very good reasons. As it turns out, he may finally have been right about one — and it happens to be just the one vaccine the Biden administration wanted to mandate every American take.​

 

[Hans Blaster]

And about 20% of Democratic voters find him an acceptable alternative to Biden.

And that's sad. A poor reflection on Democratic voters.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

But that's not what you were claiming. You claimed two things:

1. That the "DNC did the same thing to Bernie" in response to an article about the cancellation of next year's primary debates in support of a sitting president. (The 2016 Democratic primary debates definitely happened and there was no sitting president running for reelection.)

2. (And frankly more disturbingly) That you seem to think that two claims are somehow equivalent because articles espousing both were both near the top of the results from a search engine. In this case that was a wikipedia article with references about the 2016 Democratic Presidential primaries and some article claiming they didn't happen. It implies problems with your critical thinking or evidence evaluation skills. Let us help you with those.

I re-evaluated my position after your post and concluded both were equally relevant and equally inconclusive.

Your analysis of my position does not take into account that I had considered your original reply as a valid. I even did a web search to see what other opinions were out there.

Also, you're taking this way too seriously. I may have left a clue as a mood indicator when I referred to a parallel reality.

Your analysis of the phrase "the same thing" is too literal, kind of like a baptist. So I have no response.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I re-evaluated my position after your post and concluded both were equally relevant and equally inconclusive.

Your analysis of my position does not take into account that I had considered your original reply as a valid. I even did a web search to see what other opinions were out there.

That's not how facts work.

Also, you're taking this way too seriously. I may have left a clue as a mood indicator when I referred to a parallel reality.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should take this to an alternative reality board.

Your analysis of the phrase "the same thing" is too literal, kind of like a baptist. So I have no response.

Huh?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That's not how facts work.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should take this to an alternative reality board.

Huh?

I agree, we disagree. End of discussion, thanks.

 

[GodLovesCats]

All you need to know is the sources are very conservative and worship Donald Trump. They only care about loving a terrorist and hating good people. If you want real news, go to websites such as the AP and Reuters, which only exist to tell the totally factual reports and do not have biases to either side. Anytime a person who thinks a terrorist is the second coming of Jesus says the kind of crap Elon Musk and Faux Noise do, it is automatically not news at all, but deliberate lies for the purpose of making his supporters vote for him again.

Now, imagine yourself being a Democrat with a lot of work to do as the POTUS and no chance of losing the party nomination against anyone. You would only have to win the primaries and caucuses, not any debates leading up to them, because you are running virtually uncontested. If somebody, Robert Kennedy this time,. does run against the incumbent, his job is to prove he can do better than what we have already seen in two and a half years. He can compare himself during sit-down interviews and press conferences what the people want to know. He can have a town hall on CNN. It is not simply all 50 states selected Joe Biden, so let's do nothing..It is an example of what makes all Republicans corrupt: the fact they only care about hating Democrats.

 

[DaisyDay]

All you need to know is the sources are very conservative and worship Donald Trump. They only care about loving a terrorist and hating good people.

Hating good people? That's a bit much.

If you want real news, go to websites such as the AP and Reuters, which only exist to tell the totally factual reports and do not have biases to either side. Anytime a person who thinks a terrorist is the second coming of Jesus says the kind of crap Elon Musk and Faux Noise do, it is automatically not news at all, but deliberate lies for the purpose of making his supporters vote for him again.

The AP and Reuters are good news sources.

Now, imagine yourself being a Democrat with a lot of work to do as the POTUS and no chance of losing the party nomination against anyone. You would only have to win the primaries and caucuses, not any debates leading up to them, because you are running virtually uncontested. If somebody, Robert Kennedy this time,. does run against the incumbent, his job is to prove he can do better than what we have already seen in two and a half years. He can compare himself during sit-down interviews and press conferences what the people want to know. He can have a town hall on CNN. It is not simply all 50 states selected Joe Biden, so let's do nothing

I would hope that as more people become aware of RFK Jr, they will become disenchanted - but I thought that about Donald and was wrong.

..It is an example of what makes all Republicans corrupt: the fact they only care about hating Democrats.

Blanket statements like that are not just wrong but harmful.