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Does a Christian's personal life have any impact on their spiritual life?

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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?
 

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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?
My prayers for truth. These are not people leading His flock towards righteousness.
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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?

I'm kind of wondering how these pastors you're referring to even know they have a "mantle" in the first place. Any idea?
 
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Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?
We are all sinners. We all need to repent and to forgive others. Church leaders and people more mature in the faith are not exempt.

Church leaders should be living a good example of New Testament guided principles. Please pray and consider changing church if you are not confident of the leadership where you currently attend.

Paul, the Apostle to the gentiles, wrote the letters to Timothy to a pastor...books 1 and 2 Timothy in your Bible. :heart:
 
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I'm kind of wondering how these pastors you're referring to even know they have a "mantle" in the first place. Any idea?
I was watching a podcast with Julie Roys interviewing the 1st Jane Doe in connection with Mike Bickle and IHOPKC. In the interview she had mentioned Bob Jones had given that advice about not losing his mantle.
 
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I was watching a podcast with Julie Roys interviewing the 1st Jane Doe in connection with Mike Bickle and IHOPKC. In the interview she had mentioned Bob Jones had given that advice about not losing his mantle.

That's sounds as expected since it's usually charismatic Christians who mostly refer to the "mantle" trope.

It's rather disgusting.
 
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Man's spiritual component is regenerated once they trust in Jesus. This new connection to God is not fully developed as long as we continue to follow the selfish passions of the flesh. If the Holy Spirit is allowed to work in us, we transition from the selfishness of the flesh, to the selflessness of love. Those that try to excuse their sin by divorcing it from their "spiritual" nature are just using the same excuse as the gnostics. Lying to yourself in not reflective of advanced spirituality.
 
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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?
In my experience, your personal life will affect spiritual life and your spiritual state will physically manifest in your body. Though the manifestation will be different in each person, it will be noticeable.

The more you set yourself apart from the world, including your personal life, the more extraordinary these spiritual and physical manifestations will be. It may not entirely heal your body of all its afflictions but other people will notice. You'll stand out from the crowd. Some people will be attracted to it, while some will bitterly hate it.
 
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In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you?
Maybe, but I wouldn't take being a pastor (minister, priest, whatever) as an indication of being "closer to God."
Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat?
Nope, I don't think so. We have many very saintly people in our congregations.
Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?
That, yes, but that doesn't mean everything should be forgiven without consequences for those in leadership.

My own experience is that in ministry there's nowhere to hide. Your sins, your weaknesses, your flaws, whatever, will affect your ministry. And it doesn't have to be sexual sin to be crippling or disqualifying.
 
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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?

I don't know what pastors say but I know the Spirit of God and His Word.

The longer you are saved and the more you entertain and meditate upon Scripture and spend time with our Lord the more cognizant of your own sins you become, and sin by sin the Holy Spirit takes you and reshapes you into a vessel fit for His good purposes.

Everytime we find a sin in ourselves we repent and ask forgiveness for that sin and over time we become more holy unto God.

Because Satan is always about looking to deceive, we as children of the Living God must always be on our guard against temptations of every kind so that we might not fall to the wayside.

The Bible has specific guidelines for the qualities a pastor should have and that is to be the husband of one wife etc.

If a Pastor falls into sexual degeneracy and/or sexual sin he loses one of the qualities we have to look for in a Pastor, therefore, he forever loses his right before God to Pastor.
 
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In my experience, your personal life will affect spiritual life and your spiritual state will physically manifest in your body.

It's the other way around.

Your spiritual state affects everything you do and everything around you. According to Christ it's what proceeds from the heart that defiles - not the physical presence of things in the world.

"But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.” Matthew 15:18-20
 
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It's the other way around.

Your spiritual state affects everything you do and everything around you. According to Christ it's what proceeds from the heart that defiles - not the physical presence of things in the world.

"But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.” Matthew 15:18-20
I think I agree.

That one's personal life can (or will) be the outward expression of one's spiritual life. Must have read a few verses like that - ".....must live as Jesus did".

Having a "double life" certainly counts as hypocrisy. The Bible did prophesy such will be many in the last days.
 
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I think I agree.

That one's personal life can (or will) be the outward expression of one's spiritual life. Must have read a few verses like that - ".....must live as Jesus did".

Having a "double life" certainly counts as hypocrisy. The Bible did prophesy such will be many in the last days.


"but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters" James 1:14-16
 
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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?
Our personal life will be faith, love, hope and holiness.
 
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I heard some advice from one pastor to another, as long as you do not have intercourse with a woman you will not lose your mantle. This is not the first time I have heard this, another pastor had said his personal life has nothing to do with his spiritual life. I have not found that in the bible, however it appears that many pastors, elders and deacons lead with that example.

I have to admit that this is a very foreign idea to me. In two ways:

1) Talking about a "mantle". I've only heard language like this in a very particular stream of Christian thinking, it is a borrowing of the language used in the Old Testament, when the Prophet Elijah's mantle was given to his pupil, Elisha, who took up the mantle and went on to be a prophet in his teacher's footsteps. The mantle here was literal, it was a literal cloak which Elijah wore, and Elisha taking it up was symbolic of his succeeding Elijah. As such "mantle" is being borrowed to describe a divine gift of ministry. In a church tradition that views being a pastor as being endowed with a divine gift, rather than as a vocation within the Church to which the Church makes one a pastor and to which the pastor is held accountable, that's the only way this language can have any significance. However, in most church traditions, even those which view the pastorate as having a special indelible grace connected to it (e.g. Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox), it is still a vocation which is subservient to the Church itself, and which is accountable to the Church. Which leads to the second thing:

2) Of course one's personal life affects one's spiritual life. This is a no-brainer. This is especially true for clergy, who have received their commission and vocation from the Church, to wield what they have been given with the due responsibility expected of them. Pastors are no less sinners than anyone else, so this isn't about holding pastors to an impossible standard; but it definitely means that when a pastor is unfaithful to his duties the Church has not only the right, but the responsibility to revoke what has been given. A shepherd that can't be trusted with a flock has no business being in charge of sheep. In the Lutheran tradition this is a very serious thing, we say that pastors have been given the vocation and responsibility to wield the Keys of the kingdom. This comes from the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18) and the Gospel of John (John 20:21-23)--the Keys were given to the Church, and thus it is from the Church that pastors receive their authority, and the privilege of wielding the authority of the Keys in service--as servants--of Christ and His Church. Pastors are under-shepherds, for the Church has one Shepherd, Christ; and thus all pastors are by their calling and vocation acting in Christ's stead to act as shepherds, as Christ says to St. Peter, "Feed My lambs".

In the Pastoral Epistles (Titus, 1 & 2 Timothy) the Apostle St. Paul gives clear instructions to his protégé Timothy, and to his student Titus about how those who want to serve the Church are to be strictly vetted. All three of the historic ministerial offices are mentioned in these letters (bishop, presbyter, and deacon), and all contain the same sort of vetting instructions. So for example we get this in 1 Timothy 3:2-3

"A bishop must be above reproach, a one-woman-man, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not prone to arguments, not a money-lover"

There has been a lot of ink spilled as to what all or exactly is meant when Paul says μιᾶς γυναικὸς ἄνδρα (mias gunaikos andra, literally "one wife/woman man/husband", but we can be certain that it certainly does mean "no funny business". But that's not just "don't have intercourse with [a/another] woman", the bar is higher than that here. Also, that's not the only criterion, notice everything else in just this small passage, "above reproach, ... sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not prone to arguments, not a money-lover"

And this kind of stuff was taken seriously in the ancient Church. When we look at a lot of the ancient Canons (rules) set down by the Church at various councils, a lot of them were specifically about how clergy were supposed to conduct themselves. For example, the Church established a rule that bishops shouldn't even live with a woman unless it's his wife, or mother or sister, or immediate relative. Even if the bishop wasn't doing anything bad, this rule was about ensuring that the bishop wouldn't even look like he was doing anything bad, or be accused of impropriety. This stuff got taken very seriously.

A pastor's personal life was important. Because, of course one's personal life affects one's spiritual life--what we do matters to God, that's true of everyone, not just pastors. But also a pastor's personal life has a direct correlation to their wielding of the Keys, of their call and vocation to shepherd, to be pastors. To borrow one of the words of my generation, Duh.

In my opinion this seems a little hypocritical but, is there a thing of the closer to God the less sin affects you? Or is it a better understanding of sin in general and pastors and leaders have that, and the congregants don't yet, like when Paul talks about being fed milk verse meat? Or is it just we are all sinners, and we need to just forgive and reconcile?

We're all sinners, and so we all come to the Throne of Grace with contrition and repentance, confessing our sins.

But pastors have to be scrutinized. For the same reason that civil and military leaders, teachers and doctors have to be scrutinized. I mean, you should expect even the guy you take your car to for a tune-up is responsible enough to be a mechanic, right?

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That's sounds as expected since it's usually charismatic Christians who mostly refer to the "mantle" trope.

It's rather disgusting.

I didn't want to specify that in my post, but you're not wrong. The "mantle" thing is icky and monumentally fails at taking the weight and responsibility of pastorship seriously. And generally is coupled with pastors-as-kings rather than pastors-as-servants.

"The leaders of the Gentiles lord it over them, and act as tyrants above them. It shall not be so with you, whoever wants to be great amongst you must be your slave." (Matthew 20:25-26)

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I'm kind of wondering how these pastors you're referring to even know they have a "mantle" in the first place. Any idea?

What's a "mantle"? Sounds like something that isn't actually biblical. It sounds like woo and nonsense.

All Christ promises us is a cross in this life, and glory in the world to come.
 
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What's a "mantle"? Sounds like something that isn't actually biblical. It sounds like woo and nonsense.

All Christ promises us is a cross in this life, and glory in the world to come.
1 a : a loose sleeveless garment worn over other clothes : cloak
b : a figurative cloak symbolizing preeminence or authority
accepted the mantle of leadership

2 a : something that covers, enfolds, or envelops (see envelop sense 1)
The ground was covered with a mantle of leaves.

Definition of MANTLE

The theory that church leaders have an invisible cloak, no it is not Biblical.
 
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What's a "mantle"? Sounds like something that isn't actually biblical. It sounds like woo and nonsense.

All Christ promises us is a cross in this life, and glory in the world to come.

It's mainly a term that Charismatics tend to draw upon. They take a few verses from the Old Testament, mainly those pertaining to Elijah and Elisha, and, through their own "reading" of the Bible, "apply it" to themselves and to their theology and ministries.

 
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