Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[HIM]

Of course you are.

Posturing? lol.

 

[ozso]

Posturing? lol.

Looks like I should've said of course you aren't. lol rotf haha heehee. Your turn.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Of course you are. With the exception of some fringe group here and there, seventh day sabbath keeping has never been practiced in Christianity in the last 2000 years. And it was virtually unheard of as a Christian practice until it was popularized by Ellen G White in the mid 19th century. And then a somewhat larger fringe developed.

It wasn't unheard of in scripture. It is a commandment of God, written by the finger of God.

God kept the Sababth Exo 20:11
Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4 :16
The apostles kept the Sabbath Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 16:13 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4
The Sabbath will be kept in heaven Isa 66:22-23

We were told what would happen after the death of the apostles
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.

We were warned that God's times and laws would change, but not by God
Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[a] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.

The only law that is both a time and law is the Sabbath commandment and was changed just as we were warned. There is a church who takes credit for this change that they claim they are above the bible that sadly most churches followed suit instead of being faithful to God.

But God always had a remnant who keep the commandments of God (His version) Rev 12:17

You can see this remnant throughout the centuries here

1st Century | Sabbath Through the Centuries | Sabbath Truth

Sabbath observance as chronicled through the 1st Century.

www.sabbathtruth.com

When people went against God's word in scripture He always raised up a messenger to get people back to His Word, but sadly, they are usually mocked and scoffed at, so nothing new under the sun

2 Chro 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. 16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

We are getting to the end of times and God is calling His people out of their false teachings

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues

We must worship God in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 and Jesus said false worship is keeping our own traditions/rule over obeying the commandments of God. Mat 15:3-14

Jesus kept the Sabbath and all of the commandments and said follow Me, I am the way.

 

[ozso]

It wasn't unheard of in scripture. It is a commandment of God, written by the finger of God.

God kept the Sababth Exo 20:11
Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4 :16
The apostles kept the Sabbath Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 16:13 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4
The Sabbath will be kept in heaven Isa 66:22-23

We were told what would happen after the death of the apostles
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.

We were warned that God's times and laws would change, but not by God
Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[a] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.

The only law that is both a time and law is the Sabbath commandment and was changed just as we were warned. There is a church who takes credit for this change that they claim they are above the bible that sadly most churches followed suit instead of being faithful to God.

But God always had a remnant who keep the commandments of God (His version) Rev 12:17

You can see this remnant throughout the centuries here

1st Century | Sabbath Through the Centuries | Sabbath Truth

Sabbath observance as chronicled through the 1st Century.

www.sabbathtruth.com

When people went against God's word in scripture He always raised up a messenger to get people back to His Word, but sadly, they are usually mocked and scoffed at, so nothing new under the sun

2 Chro 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. 16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

We are getting to the end of times and God is calling people out of their false teachings

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues

We must worship God in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 and Jesus said false worship is keeping our own traditions/rule over obeying the commandments of God. Mat 15:3-14

Jesus kept the Sabbath and all of the commandments and said follow Me, I am the way.

That view based on that compilation is exclusive to Sabbatarianism, and likely didn't exist until after the mid 19th century.

And if one particular person hadn't been born, or hadn't started getting visions after a traumatic head injury, it probably wouldn't exist at all.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That view based on that compilation is exclusive to Sabbatarianism, and likely didn't exist until after the mid 19th century.

And if one particular person hadn't been born, or hadn't started getting visions after a traumatic head injury, it probably wouldn't exist at all.

God made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11, it was part of God's perfect plan made for man to bless Isa 56:1-6 and sanctify Eze 20:12 not in the 19th century its a commandment, just like thou shalt have no other gods before Me and thou shalt not commit murder. The Ten Commandments were never suggestions, or multiple choice but kept faithfully by everyone we are to follow. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 I say we serve God, the way He said. Let God be God. If you want to follow what man says, we have free will, but Jesus said that path leads one to a ditch Mat 15:3-14

 

[ozso]

God made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11, it was part of God's perfect plan made for man to bless Isa 56:1-6 and sanctify Eze 20:12 not in the 19th century its a commandment, just like thou shalt have no other gods before Me and thou shalt not commit murder. The Ten Commandments were never suggestions, or multiple choice but kept faithfully by everyone we are to follow. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 I say we serve God, the way He said. Let God be God.

Posting more Sabbatarian doctrine doesn't change what I said about it.

If you want to follow what man says, we have free will, but Jesus said that path leads one to a ditch Mat 15:3-14

In this case I'm not inclined to follow what a woman calling herself a prophet said. If it wasn't for her, in all likelihood you wouldn't be making these kinds of posts.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Posting more Sabbatarian doctrine doesn't change what I said about it.

In this case I'm not inclined to follow what a woman calling herself a prophet said. If it wasn't for her, in all likelihood you wouldn't be making these kinds of posts.

Interesting, I quoted what God personally wrote and what God personally spoke. Exo 20:1-17 Exo 20:8-11 Exo 34:8 Deut 4:13 Exo 31:18 that started at Creation. Exo 20:11 Not once quoting anyone outside the bible. Your argument appears to be more with the Text.

 

[Leaf473]

Big question, does this passage refer to

Believers throughout history

Or

Just that first generation of disciples that Jesus was talking to
___

You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can’t be hidden. 15 Neither do you light a lamp and put it under a measuring basket, but on a stand; and it shines to all who are in the house

 

[ozso]

Interesting, I quoted what God personally wrote and what God personally spoke. Exo 20:1-17 Exo 20:8-11 Exo 34:8 Deut 4:13 Exo 31:18 that started at Creation. Exo 20:11 Not once quoting anyone outside the bible. Your argument appears to be more with the Text.

No, just with the origins of the Sabbatarian spin on the text.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, just with the origins of the Sabbatarian spin on the text.

So, we are not to abide in Jesus and follow His example?

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Seems pretty clear to me, but we are given free will to follow whoever we want.

 

[ozso]

So, we are not to abide in Jesus and follow His example?

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Seems pretty clear to me, but we are given free will to follow whoever we want.

Which is why I don't follow teachings, doctrine, ideology, and eisegesis that primarily only exists because of one person born in the 19th century.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Which is why I don't follow teachings, doctrine, ideology, and eisegesis that primarily only exists because of one person born in the 19th century.

Ok, I see we can't reason together when we think scripture and following Jesus, is 19th century.

Take care

 

[guevaraj]

we who have entered into his rest which is the Gospel

Brother, the Gospel of Jesus does not fit the context of another “day”. A "day" Joshua was prevented from entering with manna by keeping the seventh day of the week near Jerusalem for 40 years by an “oath” that he later entered within Jerusalem without manna until the time of Jesus, without understanding God's true day of rest to give Israel the biblical Sabbath free of human tradition.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Minister Monardo]

But now through the Rest. the Gospel of Christ we can keep it holy. If we heed to His voice.

Keep what holy? A day of the week, or our daily life in Christ?!!!

So we who have entered into His Rest, which is the Gospel cease from our daily work.

We clearly do not cease from daily work. That work is redefined and is spiritual, not physical.
Matthew 12:11 Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep,
and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?
1 Corinthians 15:31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
2 Corinthians 4:11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus
may also be manifested in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death is working in us, but life in you.

The ceasing from work is physical not spiritual.

Under the Law, the Sabbath was a single day of physical rest.
That day could be observed to the full, even as one might sit at home, refraining from physical work,
and spend the entire day worrying about tomorrow, with no rest for the soul.
Our rest in Christ is a walk of obedience to His Spirit every day and has nothing to do with resting physically.
Matthew 11:
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

God ceased, stop working on the Seventh Day.

No, that is not what is stated. God completed the work of creation for man in six days and sanctified the 7th as a gift to righteous men. We have no idea what God did, once His Creation was complete, but He obviously had no need for physical rest.

As God did from His is a direct comparison.

No, it is an analogy and the lesson is being twisted around for an obvious purpose, which is to suggest that we keep a physical day of rest, when we are expected to make every effort to serve the Gospel daily, without regard for our personal physical needs. It is the wisdom of God to spend a day resting from physical labor. It is the Will of God to work when God is working, and there is no day off. Entering His Rest is about obedience and has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment to physically rest once a week.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
We rest when the Spirit rests
Isaiah 28:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
and “This is the refreshing”.
Yet they would not hear.

Hebrews 3:
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

 

[Jerry N.]

Of course you are. With the exception of some fringe group here and there, seventh day sabbath keeping has never been practiced in Christianity in the last 2000 years. And it was virtually unheard of as a Christian practice until it was popularized by Ellen G White in the mid 19th century. And then a somewhat larger fringe developed.

Actually, many Christians in the Eastern Church kept Saturday as Sabbath until 364 A.D.

“From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observation of the Jews' Sabbath continued [this was primarily in the East], as may be proved out of many authors; yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." (Sunday a Sabbath,
John Ley, p. 163).”

https://www.friendsofsabbath.org/CW...ry/Research Notes on the Eastern Churches.pdf

From a western perspective they may have seemed fringe, but I don’t think they saw themselves that way.

 

[ozso]

Actually, many Christians in the Eastern Church kept Saturday as Sabbath until 364 A.D.

“From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observation of the Jews' Sabbath continued [this was primarily in the East], as may be proved out of many authors; yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." (Sunday a Sabbath,
John Ley, p. 163).”

https://www.friendsofsabbath.org/CW Articles, Notes, Charts/Church of God history/Research Notes on the Eastern Churches.pdf

From a western perspective they may have seemed fringe, but I don’t think they saw themselves that way.

I doubt any fringe sect sees themselves that way. And I'll take it by you saying fringe, that the vast majority of the Eastern Church did not keep the Saturday Sabbath. Also there's the matter of who is Craig M White? Usually in these kinds of threads when someone posts research material on such matters, the author usually turns out to be a member of the SDA church, or Messianic, or similar.

 

[trophy33]

The Jews observed the Sabbath but failed to enter God's Rest.
This is the Logos behind the commandment.
Hebrews 4:
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest,
any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached
did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath,
if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, if they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remained that some must enter therein, and they to whom
it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limited a certain day, saying in David, today, after so long a time as it is said,
"Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.

So now we can define the Sabbath as the Logos interprets, and Jesus taught the people.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

John 5:
15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because
He had done these things on the Sabbath.
17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

Your post is not a reply to the post you quoted. So I am not sure how to continue.

 

[ozso]

Ok, I see we can't reason together when we think scripture and following Jesus, is 19th century.

Take care

Just to be clear, we think SDA teaching is primarily the result of Ellen G White. Just as LDS teaching is primarily the result of Joseph Smith, JW teaching is primarily the result of Charles Taze Russell, Christian Science teaching is primarily the result of Mary Baker Eddy etc. All of which spang up in 19th century America.

 

[Jerry N.]

I doubt any fringe sect sees themselves that way. And I'll take it by you saying fringe, that the vast majority of the Eastern Church did not keep the Saturday Sabbath. Also there's the matter of who is Craig M White? Usually in these kinds of threads when someone posts research material on such matters, the author usually turns out to be a member of the SDA church, or Messianic, or similar.

I think rejecting information because it comes from SDA or Messianic is rather biased in itself. Even if you don't agree with them doesn't mean their research is in error.

 

[trophy33]

I think rejecting information because it comes from SDA or Messianic is rather biased in itself. Even if you don't agree with them doesn't mean their research is in error.

The 19th century US religious movements claim their doctrines to be given by supernatural revelations, visions etc.

The word "research" implies a different way - rational, logical, data-based scholarly approach, which is not what happened, there.