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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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Yes the Sabbath was good for Israel was great for Israel , but the Law of Moses was to pass away and ACT 28:25-28 show

why Israel was set aside and 2 Cor 3: 13- 14 as it was ABOLISHED by Christ .

So the question is , how are Jews saved today ?

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The Ten Commandments was not abolished by Christ- He said the opposite- not a jot or tittle can pass Mat 5:18, not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven Mat 5:19 i.e. Judgement

No wonder why Paul’s writing came with such a stern warning as he the servant of Christ never contradicted Christ and what He taught and lived John 15:10 Luke 4:16 and if we abide in Him we too would follow His example 1 John 2:5-6 in the footsteps He left for us 1 Peter 2:21-22
 
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Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).

If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.
We are free to keep the Sabbath.
We are free to not keep the Sabbath
 
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Yes we have free will, God will not force His blessing and sanctification on us, but we are nothing without it.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Man can’t sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 we need God for everything.
 
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It seems as though a gift from God has become a weapon.
God won’t force Himself on us, its up to us to accept God’s blessing, but without it we are nothing.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

It’s all about our choices. Why would one not want to accept God’s blessing? He gives us His perfect law because it converts our soul. Psa 19:7 It’s a matter of faith - who we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16
 
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This blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus hid the true message of the book of Hebrews
I am not a KJO. Nor is it the best translation. But No it didn't. I and many people within my sphere knew that Jesus was Joshua. Jesus' name is Joshua in Hebrew. Be that as it may, the context dictates that it is the Joshua of old who led Israel into the promised land.
You see the KJV as close enough, I see it as hard for many people to read :)
You are not following the line of reasoning or listening to what is said to you. The KJV is close enough in respect to our conversation in regard to Col 2:16 is what was said.

And you are ignoring the context of the Passage to suit your ideology.

The We have been forgiven all trespasses. Forgiveness is the context. Since we are forgiven the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us, Judged and condemned us were taken out of the way and nailed to the cross. They are not needed anymore because we have been forgiven in Christ. That being the case neither is the Levitical priesthood. which handed down said judgements that were in the handwriting to the ordinances. Having spoiled, stripped their powers through the nailing to the cross, the handwriting to the ordinances. That which was principle, establish first.

Therefore let no man judge you because you have been forgiven all trespasses and are complete in Him. Which is the head of all principalities and powers.
So let no man judge you in respect to meat and drink. feast, new moon or sabbaths. These which were in the handwriting to the ordinances according to the context. These are but a shadow, but the Body is Christ. Not that which pertain to morality. That which told us what sin is. And certainly not the Ten and the Sabbath therein.



Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:16 Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

Col 2:16 Μὴ Not οὖν Therefore τις Anyone ὑμᾶς You κρινέτω Let Judge ἐν In βρώσει Meat ἢ Or ἐν In πόσει Drink, ἢ Or ἐν In μέρει Respect ἑορτῆς Of Feast, ἢ Or νουμηνίας New Moon, ἢ Or σαββάτων· Sabbaths,
 
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Yes the Sabbath was good for Israel was great for Israel , but the Law of Moses was to pass away and ACT 28:25-28 show
The Sabbath is of the Ten. The Law of Moses is a separate book.

And the Law in general is for the sinner if used lawfully. For we would not know sin if it were not for the Law.

These Laws that tell us what sin is are in the Ten and in the Book of the Law.

So not all the Law that Moses penned has passed away if there are still sinners.
 
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Then there are the unknown number of Jews by birth whose eyes were blinded and hearts were hardened, until the time of the gentiles was full.
Perhaps that's what you were referring to, Him.
I want very much to understand more clearly God's reason for hardening their hearts and blinding them from seeing the Truth.
And how He will go about restoring their ability to become saved.
I think we are very close to that beginning to unfold.
 
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Then there are the unknown number of Jews by birth whose eyes were blinded and hearts were hardened, until the time of the gentiles was full.
Perhaps that's what you were referring to, Him.
I want very much to understand more clearly God's reason for hardening their hearts and blinding them from seeing the Truth.
And how He will go about restoring their ability to become saved.
I think we are very close to that beginning to unfold.
I can give you an example.

The Pharisees were adding a lot of rules to the commandments of God, they followed their traditions over obeying God's commandments. Jesus said in doing this they are spiritually blind and if we follow those who are spiritually blind over obeying God and what He said, both teacher and student fall in a ditch. Every time we follow a lie, our hearts get more hardened and taken captive of the other spirit, pretty soon we are unable to tell the difference from the truth or a lie. All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 even the one God had the foresight to say Remember- that is holy and blessed by God.



Matthew 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (quoted directly from the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12)and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

Why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19. God wrote His law in our hearts, right where sin starts, rejecting what He placed is our hearts, our heart is far from Him and continuing down this path without a conversion- repent and turn Jesus said this path leads to a ditch.

This is the path we want to take

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
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We are free to keep the Sabbath.
Not sure what you mean by that. Because the Mosaic law instructions do not apply today and to us, how would we even keep it? We would basically need to invent our individual subjective way of how to keep it, which, logically, means we are not keeping anything, objectively.
We are free to not keep the Sabbath
Yes. Its not a part of any instructions given to Christians, not to say to Gentile Christians.
 
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I am not a KJO. Nor is it the best translation. But No it didn't. I and many people within my sphere knew that Jesus was Joshua. Jesus' name is Joshua in Hebrew. Be that as it may, the context dictates that it is the Joshua of old who led Israel into the promised land.
You are not following the line of reasoning or listening to what is said to you. The KJV is close enough in respect to our conversation in regard to Col 2:16 is what was said.
Looks like you see the KJV as close enough in respect to our conversation in regard to Col 2:16, I believe it is hard for many people to read :heart:

And you are ignoring the context of the Passage to suit your ideology.


The We have been forgiven all trespasses. Forgiveness is the context. Since we are forgiven the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us, Judged and condemned us were taken out of the way and nailed to the cross. They are not needed anymore because we have been forgiven in Christ. That being the case neither is the Levitical priesthood. which handed down said judgements that were in the handwriting to the ordinances. Having spoiled, stripped their powers through the nailing to the cross, the handwriting to the ordinances. That which was principle, establish first.

Therefore let no man judge you because you have been forgiven all trespasses and are complete in Him. Which is the head of all principalities and powers.
So let no man judge you in respect to meat and drink. feast, new moon or sabbaths. These which were in the handwriting to the ordinances according to the context. These are but a shadow, but the Body is Christ.
Not that which pertain to morality.
It looks to me like there is no scripture-based way to separate the instructions given to the Israelites in the wilderness into those which pertain to morality and those which don't.

If you believe you know of such a way, I invite you to respond to respond to this (or post the link to your response, if I missed it :heart: )
Is that a yes? Is Leviticus 5:2 one of the "other laws which pertain to righteous living contained in the Book of the Law"?

________
That which told us what sin is. And certainly not the Ten and the Sabbath therein.



Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:16 Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

Col 2:16 Μὴ Not οὖν Therefore τις Anyone ὑμᾶς You κρινέτω Let Judge ἐν In βρώσει Meat ἢ Or ἐν In πόσει Drink, ἢ Or ἐν In μέρει Respect ἑορτῆς Of Feast, ἢ Or νουμηνίας New Moon, ἢ Or σαββάτων· Sabbaths,
Thank you for your response :heart:
 
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No it didn't. I and many people within my sphere knew that Jesus was Joshua. Jesus' name is Joshua in Hebrew. Be that as it may, the context dictates that it is the Joshua of old who led Israel into the promised land.
Brother, the King James Version (KJV) hid the true message of Hebrews chapter 4 from generations of Bible readers, where we are told that Joshua, not Jesus, was wrong about how to keep the Sabbath "day". Joshua did not pay attention to the change of the days of the week from morning to morning with the manna during the 40 years in the wilderness to the evening to evening Sabbath in Jerusalem, which is not a day of the week, as Joshua misunderstood the Sabbath in Jerusalem.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

Joshua got the days of the week wrong because of the early Sabbath in Jerusalem, when the days of the week are from morning to morning, as corroborated by someone other than me in the following video!


United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, the King James Version (KJV) hid the true message of Hebrews chapter 4 from generations of Bible readers,
No. Regardless of the translation many have been confused, but the context of three and four is clear, if one keeps with the flow.

The rest in verse 8 has nothing to do with the Sabbath,

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
 
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[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B][SIZE=6]guevaraj[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR], Him, SB, and other Sabbath observers, you seem to believe we all must be Sabbath observant, the one given to only one nation on Earth, why isn't there one word from God instructing Gentiles that we have to observe the old covenant Sabbath? God gave the Israelites instructions as how to observe the day. There were Sabbath instructions that involved the priesthood, so it is impossible to use the instructions given to Israel. God has not set up a priesthood like the Israelites had. If Gentiles are supposed to observe it too, where do we find alternative instruction.

I am wondering why all my previous posts on the subject have been ignored?

 
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The rest in verse 8 has nothing to do with the Sabbath,
I think Hebrews 4:10 clears it up pretty good.
Brothers, the passage tells us what “rest” is being spoken of by telling us that it is the “rest” of the seventh day of creation highlighted in the context below, the Sabbath. The Sabbath, which Joshua misunderstood as the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem, when the Sabbath falls earlier than the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem. God tells us that keeping the seventh day of the week near Jerusalem was wrong with the Manna for 40 years. God tells us that during the 40 years that they kept the seventh day of the week with the Manna, God prevented them from entering by "oath" the earlier proper Sabbath near Jerusalem, which they then kept without the manna till the time of Jesus. Keeping the Seventh day as a Sabbath is wrong in Jerusalem as it was wrong during the 40 years with the manna as punishment by “oath”.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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I am wondering why all my previous posts on the subject have been ignored?
There are no good answers to that. Its easier for them to repeat their usual bulks of text, filled with the still same standard mixture of specific verses they like and with free thoughts to any direction they like.

Its very hard, basically impossible, to keep them in some strict, short and clear logical reasoning. They are not used to it.
 
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Deflecting and ignoring is something we all do to some degree imo

It happens when our minds are faced with something that challenges a deeply held belief

Let us cry out for wisdom!

 
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Deflecting and ignoring is something we all do to some degree imo

It happens when our minds are faced with something that challenges a deeply held belief

Let us cry out for wisdom!

Right, but ignoring can include being so focused on one's own thoughts that one can't see another. It is a kind of blindness. I made a similar point to Bob S (#395) in #347, but not nearly as blunt and concise. In this case, the absents of proof is more difficult to see.

I stopped "seeing" the dent in the back of my car a few years ago, because I have no intention of fixing it, and I am embarrassed by that.
 
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