Hottest Week on Record, Hottest June, Record hottest days, Record Low Antarctic sea ice

[essentialsaltes]

The first western govt leader to go up in front of the world and call climate change a hoax.

One of the many falsehoods he has uttered. The facts are clear.

 

[FireDragon76]

The proposed solution to every "crisis" these days is transferring billions from the many to the few.

Irrelevant, and without substantive engagement.

The climate doesn't care about being hurt about your partisan politics. In fact, it's utterly indifferent. We either pay now... or later.

 

[Canuckster]

Irrelevant, and without substantive engagement.

The climate doesn't care about being hurt about your partisan politics. In fact, it's utterly indifferent. We either pay now... or later.

Climate doesn't care about being hurt about your partisan politics either and is indifferent to the theft of billions to keep it from changing.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Climate doesn't care about being hurt about your partisan politics either and is indifferent to the theft of billions to keep it from changing.

Gibberish.

Obviously facts are incapable of feeling about anyone's opinion. Nevertheless, facts are stubborn things. And the facts demonstrate the climate is changing.

 

[truthpls]

Above the note about record low Antarctic sea ice in the Southern hemisphere is significant, and it made me wonder of course about ice in the Northern hemisphere lately.

Here's an up to date graph of what percentage of the ice sheet in Greenland is currently melting on the surface (day to day in the graph):

Ice Sheets Today | National Snow and Ice Data Center

About Ice Sheets Today

nsidc.org

Greenland ice is certainly showing significantly higher than average melting this June and early July.

It is true that the climate of the world is undergoing change in these times. If one did not believe in God, and imagined that they could save themselves and the earth, that might be a problem in their minds. The way I figure it is that the One who made it will see to it that it does not get too bad before He comes to fix things Himself. I don't think more green taxes are the answer (unless you are one of those milking that trough)

 

[truthpls]

Gibberish.

Obviously facts are incapable of feeling about anyone's opinion. Nevertheless, facts are stubborn things. And the facts demonstrate the climate is changing.

So? Like it has not always done since creation? Of course the climate is changing!

 

[Canuckster]

Gibberish.

Obviously facts are incapable of feeling about anyone's opinion. Nevertheless, facts are stubborn things. And the facts demonstrate the climate is changing.

...anyone's opinion including your own. The "facts" are the green movement is not about stopping the climate from changing (a fool's errand) and saving the planet but about collapsing the 1st world.
Green energy spending is resulting in Germany's industrial collapse.

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[DaisyDay]

Gibberish.

Obviously facts are incapable of feeling about anyone's opinion. Nevertheless, facts are stubborn things. And the facts demonstrate the climate is changing.

We had a chance to prevent the worst of it but we decided not to. That's on us.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So? Like it has not always done since creation? Of course the climate is changing!

The facts show that it is changing faster then ever before, and that humanity (primarily due to adding CO2 to the atmosphere) are the primary cause.

The effects of this change are being increasingly felt, and they are unpleasant and will become more so. We can either ignore it, act to mitigate the effects, or act to change the root causes.

...anyone's opinion including your own. The "facts" are the green movement is not about stopping the climate from changing (a fool's errand) and saving the planet but about collapsing the 1st world.

What rubbish. Regardless of your nonfacts about 'the green movement', the facts are that the climate is changing and humanity is the primary cause. You are inclined to do nothing about it; that's fine, but it does not alter the facts.

 

[durangodawood]

The science was sound two decades ago. And by now its been so completely tested, reproduced, elaborated, & understood. The commitment to deny all that at this point should be called religious.

This denial has been inextricably incorporated into ones personal identity, such that disentangling would be excruciating. Like you wouldnt even know who you are anymore.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

The science was sound two decades ago. And by now its been so completely tested, reproduced, elaborated, & understood. The commitment to deny all that at this point should be called religious.

This denial has been inextricably incorporated into ones personal identity, such that disentangling would be excruciating. Like you wouldnt even know who you are anymore.

Hockey Stick Graph

We're all gonna die. Gimme all your money, we can save you.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hockey Stick Graph
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We're all gonna die. Gimme all your money, we can save you.

Non sequitur.

The graph shows the facts.
The climate is changing.
Faster than ever.
Absolutely in line with predictions.
The predictions have been validated because other facts tell us why the climate is changing.

 

[rambot]

The first western govt leader to go up in front of the world and call climate change a hoax. All the rest have to go along with the CO2 is a pollution narrative and spend billions on reducing it.

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First? Not the first. Nowhere near the first.

what a dumb thing to day...like you've forgotten the last 4 decades utterly.

He has the same proclivities as those who came before him; pockets lines by big oil.
It was happenning for decades

Imagine bragging that your leader is 4 decades behind in research and thinking he's breaking new ground? Funny stuff.

 

[truthpls]

The facts show that it is changing faster then ever before, and that humanity (primarily due to adding CO2 to the atmosphere) are the primary cause.

The facts are that the poles used to be warm. In the flood a lot of changes happened obviously as well. Then the ice age and probably the rapid moving of continents and a lot of volcanic activity. Etc. Do you claim it was man that caused all that also? Ha

The effects of this change are being increasingly felt, and they are unpleasant and will become more so. We can either ignore it, act to mitigate the effects, or act to change the root causes.

The 'this change' is apparently debatable. Some claim that other causes may be at work here affecting the climate (sun cycles etc etc) You don't get to declare it a certain way, sorry. Maybe you should just say something like 'it seems that mankind is aiding the process' or some such? Rather than some silly fanatical baloney about 'the facts are..' The fact is you do not know.

What rubbish. Regardless of your nonfacts about 'the green movement',

What non fact exactly? Did you think you had some monopoly on defining what a fact is? Ha Try to meditate on this and consider the implications 'we don't believe a single word you say (even if there accidentally happened to be some grains of truth in it) Period' Get over it. God is in control despite whatever you, or man or the devil does. If the climate changes, He knows about it. The prophesy in the bible tells us it has a long way to go yet! Men will chew their tongues for the heat one day we are told. The sun will go out! etc. If I was going to fear anything it would not be greedy little green Chicken Littles running around trying to rob everyone and cause panic! Ha

the facts are that the climate is changing and humanity is the primary cause. You are inclined to do nothing about it; that's fine, but it does not alter the facts.

The facts are that of course His climate is changing and will change a lot more. Paying some Greenie trolls will not help.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Some claim that other causes may be at work here affecting the climate (sun cycles etc etc)

These claims are rejected by the vast majority of climate scientists.
The crucial facts concerning the properties of carbon dioxide were known more than 100 years ago, and the alignment between the predictions and the observed change in global mean temperatures cannot be achieved if anthropogenic causes are eliminated.

The fact is you do not know.

I do know. I am not a climate expert, but I do have scientific degrees. I have a justified true belief about the data and scientific explanations behind climate change. I know these are facts.

What non fact exactly?

The other poster asserted "the green movement is [really] about collapsing the 1st world."

This ridiculous assertion is not a fact.

Ha Try to meditate on this and consider the implications 'we don't believe a single word you say (even if there accidentally happened to be some grains of truth in it) Period'

You are consciously rejecting grains of truth.

To deny a fact knowingly is to lie.
From Webster’s Dictionary 1828: “Fact”

 

[truthpls]

These claims are rejected by the vast majority of climate scientists.
The crucial facts concerning the properties of carbon dioxide were known more than 100 years ago, and the alignment between the predictions and the observed change in global mean temperatures cannot be achieved if anthropogenic causes are eliminated.

If that were true, nothing changes about the climate always having changed and will continue to change and God is in control. There are lots of things that are 'anthroogenic' like war! If man had weapons that could cause earthquakes and or hurricanes etc, that would be man caused as well. So if we see a big storm somewhere, and we are told that it is carbon in the air or whatever that is the cause, I can understand why some would take that with a grain of salt. Can you prove that every dollar taxed for so called green reasons ended up going for that cause directly? Ha. The issue for many people is that the people who claim they can fix things and need other people's money are not trustworthy. If not using a plastic straw is supposed to save the planet (enriching other companies as a result perhaps) while a grocery cart is filled with all sorts of containers and packaging that is plastic, how does that save anyone? That is straining at nats and swallowing camels. There are those who claim man can save himself and those who know only God can save us or the planet. When earth is destroyed it will not be man doing it!

I do know. I am not a climate expert, but I do have scientific degrees. I have a justified true belief about the data and scientific explanations behind climate change. I know these are facts.

You think you know stuff. We get it. There is a lot you do not know as well. It seems every time we get a storm these days, alarmists are blaming it on climate change and calling for fear and money to save the planet. How many people died in Palestine this year and even today? That has anthropogenic causes as well! How many dies this year from climate change?

The other poster asserted "the green movement is [really] about collapsing the 1st world."

This ridiculous assertion is not a fact.

How would you know? How would I know? Who knows what agendas are at play? If the poster claimed that Germany has suffered financially because of a lack of energy and etc, well, they might have a point. So are there not major environment efforts in Germany that contributed to this? If so, then one could say that the green agenda seems to help collapse the economy of Germany, at least to many observers. Are you suggesting it actually did the opposite and helped the financial and energy security of Germany?

You are consciously rejecting grains of truth.

What grain? That man is various ways, through pollution and war and overt or covert climate manipulation has affected the weather and systems etc? I try to be careful not to blame it all one one grain in the bushel. Some people, for example may focus only on one green agenda grain.

To deny a fact knowingly is to lie.
From Webster’s Dictionary 1828: “Fact”

To call a lie a fact then is a lie. Got it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Some people, for example may focus only on one green agenda grain.

I am focused on the observations and facts concerning the scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused primarily by human activities. Facts are incapable of feeling; they have no agenda.

 

[truthpls]

I am focused on the observations and facts concerning the scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused primarily by human activities. Facts are incapable of feeling; they have no agenda.

And we cannot observe all the facts. Therefore making an agenda or model based on partial facts is not really science based. It is more like selective mutism and seeing what we want to see and not seeing what we do not want to see. Not all the facts are available to the public about all things that do and could affect the weather. Looking at the history of the bible, we know that Satan can affect the weather. (book of Job) We also know of course God can affect the weather! (the flood etc). So why would we obsessively focus on some majority vote interpretation of (partial) data among scientists as the only be all end all fact? Climate change being real does not mean that man can do anything much about it. Nor does it mean that carbon footprints are the be all only cause. Looking at the gross hypocrisy of some of the climate change gurus (the way they live and fly in private jets to climate conferences etc etc etc) is not denying 'science' it is facing reality!

 

[essentialsaltes]

And we cannot observe all the facts. Therefore making an agenda or model based on partial facts is not really science based.

We can never observe all the facts. Insisting that that would be required is tantamount to asserting that knowledge is impossible and we can never know what is true.

Science proceeds by developing robust explanations based on the available evidence. As the facts mount, and the explanation is confirmed by predictions, our certainty in the conclusion grows, unless anomolous data start pointing in a different direction.

 

[truthpls]

We can never observe all the facts. Insisting that that would be required is tantamount to asserting that knowledge is impossible and we can never know what is true.

If you do not know the facts in a criminal trial, why give out a death sentence?? If you do not know how much money is coming in or going out, why do a budget? If you do not have a full picture of what is going on, why get fanatical about it?

Science proceeds by developing robust explanations based on the available evidence.

Robustly excluding history and God and the bible etc. Then there is the matter of it depends who we hire from the science community to say what we want! Others say the opposite also in the name of and using the same science.

As the facts mount, and the explanation is confirmed by predictions, our certainty in the conclusion grows, unless anomolous data start pointing in a different direction.

Once again, if you actually got it mostly right, and man is contributing to the climate changing, what are we to do about it? Pay a higher carbon tax that gets misused? Eat with yucky wooden spoons at the burger joint? If the human race is contributing to this problem, why select a few countries to flagellate and punish and make pay? If you have some realistic idea that applies to the whole human race and does not hurt the poor or play favourites in businesses etc then let's see it?