Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[guevaraj]

Brother, it looks to me like not all humans have used a 7-Day week throughout history. Here's a description of the Mayan calendar as an example.

Brother, Babylon proves that the seven-day week is older than these other failed attempts to change what came from the beginning, established by all of us from the beginning on our shared Date Line of God's prime meridian on earth. Judaism does not like where the International Date Line is, because they are wrong about the days of the week being like their earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem, and they have failed to change the Date Line, because God scattered them all over the world, keeping track of the seventh day of the week by establishing their faith everywhere before they knew of the significance of the International Date Line proving that they are wrong about the days of the week being like their earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem when God has told us what a day of the week is from the beginning, that established the Date Line of God's prime meridian on earth.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

The message is a
Paraphrase. And not even a good one. That text is definitely not speaking of the Sabbath.

Nearly all translations use either "every day" or "all days"

It looks to me like that would include the Sabbath

Romans 14:5 - Bible Gateway

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[Leaf473]

I'm not saying that debt is a good reason to break the Sabbath, and I disagree that debt is always one's fault. I have gone bankrupt due to medical bills. My point is that there are people that are slaves in every way but in name. If you live in a country that does not allow you to be off work on the Sabbath and you have an overwhelming financial burden without other employment opportunities, then you might be nothing more than a bond slave. One has to pick the lesser of evils. Do you move your family onto the street or work on the Sabbath?

Working to keep your family off the street looks like it would be a good work to me. And I believe it could be done in the name of the Lord

So it would be lawful Sabbath activity

Bible Gateway passage: Mark 3:4 - The Message

Then he spoke to the people: “What kind of action suits the Sabbath best? Doing good or doing evil? Helping people or leaving them helpless?” No one said a word.

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[Leaf473]

Brother, Babylon proves that the seven-day week is older than these other failed attempts to change what came from the beginning, established by all of us from the beginning on our shared Date Line of God's prime meridian on earth. Judaism does not like where the International Date Line is, because they are wrong about the days of the week being like their earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem, and they have failed to change the Date Line, because God scattered them all over the world, keeping track of the seventh day of the week by establishing their faith everywhere before they knew of the significance of the International Date Line proving that they are wrong about the days of the week being like their earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem when God has told us what a day of the week is from the beginning, that established the Date Line of God's prime meridian on earth.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, the 7-Day week is old. But not all humans have used it throughout history

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 11:6-9 - The Message

GOD took one look and said, “One people, one language; why, this is only a first step. No telling what they’ll come up with next—they’ll stop at nothing! Come, we’ll go down and garble their speech so they won’t understand each other.” Then GOD scattered them from there all over the world. And...

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Peace be with you through Jesus Christ, my man

 

[HIM]

Nearly all translations use either "every day" or "all days"

It looks to me like that would include the Sabbath

Romans 14:5 - Bible Gateway

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Looks to you? That is where you are mistaken.

 

[Leaf473]

Looks to you? That is where you are mistaken.

How would you render πᾶσαν ἡμέραν into English?

How would you put this passage into your own words, not using 'churchy" language?

Bible Gateway passage: ΠΡΟΣ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΥΣ 14:5 - SBL Greek New Testament

Ὃς μὲν κρίνει ἡμέραν παρ’ ἡμέραν, ὃς δὲ κρίνει πᾶσαν ἡμέραν· ἕκαστος ἐν τῷ ἰδίῳ νοῒ πληροφορείσθω·

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[daq]

Nearly all translations use either "every day" or "all days"

It looks to me like that would include the Sabbath

Romans 14:5 - Bible Gateway

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The greater context starting with the first verse is about not judging each other, but there are places where the same word for judgment is used for distinguishing between certain things, (krinos, beginning in v. 4), including both things eaten and concerning days, as in the passage in question here, (Rom 14:5, where some translations prefer esteem over distinguish, etc.,).

The more important thing about the statement is that the first half says nothing about distinguishing every day alike, but that is added by so many translations because, otherwise, I suppose they cannot make any sense of it without adding their own thinking into it. Literal word-for word translations generally either omit alike because it is not there, or at least they put it in brackets, (to their credit, at least the KJV and YLT place it in italics so that the reader knows it does not appear in the Greek text).

Romans 14:5 LSV
5 One judges one day above another, and another judges every day [alike]; let each be fully assured in his own mind.

Romans 14:5 SLT
5 For one truly judges day above day: and one judges every day. Let each one be perfectly certain in his own mind.

Rom 14:5(a-b) ος μεν [γαρ] κρινει ημεραν παρ ημεραν ος δε κρινει πασαν ημεραν

For one distinguishes a day from a day, but another distinguishes every day...

In the sacred calendar day, which is seven yom-hours within a twelve-hour yom-day, every yom is distinguished, even to the point of names having been given for each yom in the opening creation account, Yom Echad, Yom Sheni, etc., etc., unto Yom haShebii, the Seventh Yom and Shabbat hour if each and every day of the year for as long as the earth and world endure.

If therefore one is offering up prayer offerings in the appointed prayer times each day, according to the sacred calendar day in the opening creation account, (which appointed times are concurrent with the daily oblations of the Torah, hint, hint), then it is critical to distinguish every yom because of the hours of the prayer times. However, as Paul says, let each one in his own mind make a full proof of it, (according to the scripture if indeed one loves the Father and His Word). Moreover, although Greek of course has a word for an hour, Biblical Hebrew does not, yet Paul says also in this epistle that he speaks to those who know the Torah, (Rom 7:1).

 

[daq]

How would you render πᾶσαν ἡμέραν into English?

How would you put this passage into your own words, not using 'churchy" language?

Bible Gateway passage: ΠΡΟΣ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΥΣ 14:5 - SBL Greek New Testament

Ὃς μὲν κρίνει ἡμέραν παρ’ ἡμέραν, ὃς δὲ κρίνει πᾶσαν ἡμέραν· ἕκαστος ἐν τῷ ἰδίῳ νοῒ πληροφορείσθω·

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Oops, I didn't mean to step on anyone else's toes or jump the gun: I was still writing my previous post above and did not see this post until after I replied.

 

[Studyman]

I have been following this discussion as best I could, but I’m a bit confused. The title is “Why we are not to keep the Sabbath.” There is good reason not to keep the Sabbath if you believe you are not commanded to do so.

Are allowed to choose which of God's Commandments are to be considered are worthy of honor and respect, and which ones are not? Can I tell God, "I didn't believe you commanded me to not steal"? And then God would say, "OK, if you didn't believe my Words, you are free to reject them"?

There is good reason to keep the Sabbath if you choose to or if you are commanded to. I don’t see any reason why you should not keep the Sabbath as though you are forbidden to.

Don't we "Choose" to "Yield ourselves" servants to whom we obey? So I could "choose" to follow the commandments and traditions of men that the religious sect of the Pharisees taught for doctrine, or I can choose to "Yield myself" to God and "Live by" HIS Words, as Jesus instructed?

Would this not also include the 10 Commandments?

Part of the problem is slavery. For the Hebrews, the Sabbath was a sign that they were freed from Egyptian slavery. Babylonian slavery took away the keeping of the Sabbath.

But Jerry, why did God allow them to be taken slaves?

EZ. 20: 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

Didn't Paul tell us these Scriptures were written "for our admonition" so that we might learn not to lust after disobedience as they lusted?

If you have a mountain of debt, live in a country that does not protect religious freedom, and you have to work on the day you think is the Sabbath, are you a slave or are you free?

1 Kings 8:46-51
“When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry with them and deliver them to an enemy, so that they take them away captive to the land of the enemy, far off or near; if they take thought in the land where they have been taken captive, and repent and make supplication to You in the land of those who have taken them captive, saying, ‘We have sinned and have committed iniquity, we have acted wickedly’; if they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and pray to You toward their land which You have given to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name
then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people who have sinned against You and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against You, and make them objects of compassion before those who have taken them captive, that they may have compassion on them (for they are Your people and Your inheritance which You have brought forth from Egypt, from the midst of the iron furnace),

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not saying that debt is a good reason to break the Sabbath, and I disagree that debt is always one's fault. I have gone bankrupt due to medical bills. My point is that there are people that are slaves in every way but in name. If you live in a country that does not allow you to be off work on the Sabbath and you have an overwhelming financial burden without other employment opportunities, then you might be nothing more than a bond slave. One has to pick the lesser of evils. Do you move your family onto the street or work on the Sabbath?

Sorry to chime in, but I think this comes down to something pivotal. God promises to take care of us, when we obey Him, even at the expense of I may not feed my family, I may be out of work, God promises our essentials when we place our faith in Him.

The example is expressed very plainly in Daniel and Daniel is a prophetic book so it's not there by accident and something at the end of time we will all have to make a decision whether we are faithful to God, He still tests us now. Daniel and his friends faced similar predicaments- there was a decree where everyone had to bow to the golden image breaking one of God's commandments. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego trusted and placed their faith in God to obey Him even at the risk of death. Jesus saved them through the burning furnace. Daniel was also in a similar predicament when another decree went out against obeying one of God's commandments and Daniel faithfully obeyed God at the risk of being eaten by Lions. God faithfully saved Daniel through the lions dens. The point is, we need not to trust in ourselves, we need to trust in God. I have been through some similar situations on the Sabbath, one where it put my company in jeopardy, but being faithful to God, He took care of me ten-fold and He will for anyone who places their faith in Him, go to Him in earnest prayer. Working on the Sabbath because we need money puts our faith in ourselves, trust God. I know of a ton of similar stories people who faced similar predicaments and how being faithfully to God no one will ever regret. It's not this life that matters, its eternal life that will.

Also, I would be cautious of what it means to do good on the Sabbath. Jesus gave several examples of what doing good was and it was never at the expense of breaking the Sabbath commandment.

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, the 7-Day week is old. But not all humans have used it throughout history

Brother, you cannot get humans to agree on a prime meridian. Every nation would have their own, especially the Jews, because of their Sabbath tradition. Judaism does not like where the international Date Line is, because it shows they are disagreeing with the shared beginning account of the day. Judaism's many attempts to change the date line below show, you can't change the date line because you would not be able to get all humans like the Jews to agree on a change of what comes from the beginning. The British did not invent the International Date Line. It already existed before they took advantage of it by moving it slightly, because hardly anyone lives at the site to protest the slight movement, and they halved the distance to give Greenwich a false importance where nothing happens like on the Date Line of God's prime meridian taught to Adam and Eve, who passed this most ancient tradition to all descendants of the human race from the beginning.



United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

The greater context starting with the first verse is about not judging each other, but there are places where the same word for judgment is used for distinguishing between certain things, (krinos, beginning in v. 4), including both things eaten and concerning days, as in the passage in question here, (Rom 14:5, where some translations prefer esteem over distinguish, etc.,).

The more important thing about the statement is that the first half says nothing about distinguishing every day alike, but that is added by so many translations because, otherwise, I suppose they cannot make any sense of it without adding their own thinking into it. Literal word-for word translations generally either omit alike because it is not there, or at least they put it in brackets, (to their credit, at least the KJV and YLT place it in italics so that the reader knows it does not appear in the Greek text).

Romans 14:5 LSV
5 One judges one day above another, and another judges every day [alike]; let each be fully assured in his own mind.

Romans 14:5 SLT
5 For one truly judges day above day: and one judges every day. Let each one be perfectly certain in his own mind.

Rom 14:5(a-b) ος μεν [γαρ] κρινει ημεραν παρ ημεραν ος δε κρινει πασαν ημεραν

For one distinguishes a day from a day, but another distinguishes every day...

In the sacred calendar day, which is seven yom-hours within a twelve-hour yom-day, every yom is distinguished, even to the point of names having been given for each yom in the opening creation account, Yom Echad, Yom Sheni, etc., etc., unto Yom haShebii, the Seventh Yom and Shabbat hour if each and every day of the year for as long as the earth and world endure.

If therefore one is offering up prayer offerings in the appointed prayer times each day, according to the sacred calendar day in the opening creation account, (which appointed times are concurrent with the daily oblations of the Torah, hint, hint), then it is critical to distinguish every yom because of the hours of the prayer times. However, as Paul says, let each one in his own mind make a full proof of it, (according to the scripture if indeed one loves the Father and His Word). Moreover, although Greek of course has a word for an hour, Biblical Hebrew does not, yet Paul says also in this epistle that he speaks to those who know the Torah, (Rom 7:1).

If you distinguish every day, do you put one day above another?

 

[Leaf473]

Oops, I didn't mean to step on anyone else's toes or jump the gun: I was still writing my previous post above and did not see this post until after I replied.

No problem, everyone's welcome to jump in

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 13:2 - Wycliffe Bible

and do not ye forget hospitality; for by this some men pleased to angels, that were received to harbour [for by this some pleased to angels received to harbour].

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[Leaf473]

Sorry to chime in, but I think this comes down to something pivotal. God promises to take care of us, when we obey Him, even at the expense of I may not feed my family, I may be out of work, God promises our essentials when we place our faith in Him.

The example is expressed very plainly in Daniel and Daniel is a prophetic book so it's not there by accident and something at the end of time we will all have to make a decision whether we are faithful to God, He still tests us now. Daniel and his friends faced similar predicaments- there was a decree where everyone had to bow to the golden image breaking one of God's commandments. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego trusted and placed their faith in God to obey Him even at the risk of death. Jesus saved them through the burning furnace. Daniel was also in a similar predicament when another decree went out against obeying one of God's commandments and Daniel faithfully obeyed God at the risk of being eaten by Lions. God faithfully saved Daniel through the lions dens. The point is, we need not to trust in ourselves, we need to trust in God. I have been through some similar situations on the Sabbath, one where it put my company in jeopardy, but being faithful to God, He took care of me ten-fold and He will for anyone who places their faith in Him, go to Him in earnest prayer. Working on the Sabbath because we need money puts our faith in ourselves, trust God. I know of a ton of similar stories people who faced similar predicaments and how being faithfully to God no one will ever regret. It's not this life that matters, its eternal life that will.

Also, I would be cautious of what it means to do good on the Sabbath. Jesus gave several examples of what doing good was and it was never at the expense of breaking the Sabbath commandment.

God provides for us in different ways, it looks to me

David ate a special bread that was only lawful for priests to eat

Jesus speaks of that incident in positive terms

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12:4 - New American Standard Bible

how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

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[Leaf473]

Brother, you cannot get humans to agree on a prime meridian.

Brother, that's right!

Nor can you get humans to agree on months, weeks, or special days

"Intercalary months have been inserted to keep the calendar year in step with the solar year of about 365 days"

Chinese calendar | Structure, History, & Zodiac | Britannica

The Chinese calendar is a lunar-solar dating system used in China and neighboring countries. It consists of 12 months of alternately 29 and 30 days, equal to 354 days. In popular practice, each year in a 12-year cycle corresponds to an animal in the Chinese zodiac.

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This tells me that God has not told everyone about the seven day week, or the seventh day being special

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:10 - New Living Translation

But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”

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Every nation would have their own, especially the Jews, because of their Sabbath tradition. Judaism does not like where the international Date Line is, because it shows they are disagreeing with the shared beginning account of the day. Judaism's many attempts to change the date line below show, you can't change the date line because you would not be able to get all humans like the Jews to agree on a change of what comes from the beginning. The British did not invent the International Date Line. It already existed before they took advantage of it by moving it slightly, because hardly anyone lives at the site to protest the slight movement, and they halved the distance to give Greenwich a false importance where nothing happens like on the Date Line of God's prime meridian taught to Adam and Eve, who passed this most ancient tradition to all descendants of the human race from the beginning.



United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God provides for us in different ways, it looks to me

David ate a special bread that was only lawful for priests to eat

Jesus speaks of that incident in positive terms

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12:4 - New American Standard Bible

how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

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It was never a sin to eat on the Sabbath.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And how many commandments and furthermore's and ands do we have to pass until we get to verse 43. No one ever said they were not other laws aside from the Ten Commandments- God separated them by design. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Deut 5:22 But since you bring up love your enemy , it is part of the greatest commandments love thy neighbor which is in the Ten Commandments that deal with love to our neighbor summarized by love Rom 13:9

No my point is that Jesus specifically said “the Law” then He quoted the Law. You’re trying to say that He was talking about the 10 commandments because He quoted two of the 10 commandments but the fact is that He said the Law then He quoted 6 commandments from the Law. Three from the 10 commandments and three that were not from the 10 commandments. You’re changing what He actually said and ignoring the rest of the message that refutes your claim that He was talking about the 10 commandments. You try to separate the message into different topics where it suits your position but the fact is that He didn’t stop at the two comments from the 10 commandments, He continued the message quoting from other commandments that were not part of the 10.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No my point is that Jesus specifically said “the Law” then He quoted the Law. You’re trying to say that He was talking about the 10 commandments because He quoted two of the 10 commandments but the fact is that He said the Law then He quoted 6 commandments from the Law. Three from the 10 commandments and three that were not from the 10 commandments. You’re changing what He actually said and ignoring the rest of the message that refutes your claim that He was talking about the 10 commandments. You try to separate the message into different topics where it suits your position but the fact is that He didn’t stop at the two comments from the 10 commandments, He continued the message quoting from other commandments that were not part of the 10.

Lets take a look.....

First of all He said least of these "commandments" not everything is a commandment as shown Neh 9:13

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments? What does Jesus first quote from? So at the very least one shouldn't even think about breaking the Ten Commandments and take Christs warning to heart.

Murder Begins in the Heart​

21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

Adultery in the Heart​

27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

So Jesus quoted the "commandments" He was referring to....

Then He goes on and says "FUTHERMORE" which means in addition to., we have been through this and in the past you admitted to it.

Marriage Is Sacred and Binding​

31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except [l]sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

The He relates the law of Moses to one of the Ten Commandments showing their reach by showing divorce is under the commandment of adultery

Then He quotes about Oaths which is obviously under the commandment to not bear false witness

Jesus Forbids Oaths​

33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of [m]old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let [n]your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Then He goes on to say what it means to love our neighbor which is summed up in the Ten Commandments

Go the Second Mile​

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Same here

Love Your Enemies​

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 [o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your [p]brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the [q]tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Jesus came to magnify His law Isa 42:21 and He did just that by showing how our thoughts and feelings are related and lead up to breaking God's law. He did that in Mat 15 as well, quoting from the same commandments. Notice how with the commandments to not commit adultery and not murder from the Ten He said in doing this it is sin and one would be in fear of Judgement. Breaking the least of these commandments affects our status in heaven. Judgement. Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 Are there more laws to keep, of course, but God's law includes all Ten of the commandments, even the one He said Remember, that man chooses sadly to forget.

Jesus showed through a couple of examples how far the reach is with the Ten Commandments, God's perfect law converting the soul. Psa 19:7 Sorry if you can't see it but it doesn't make it less true and all gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[Leaf473]

It was never a sin to eat on the Sabbath.

It was a sin for David to eat the consecrated bread

That's what Jesus says in so many words, I think

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:4 - New Life Version

He went into the house of God and ate the special bread used in the religious worship. He gave some to those who were with him also. The Law says only the religious leaders may eat that bread.

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[Jerry N.]

Are allowed to choose which of God's Commandments are to be considered are worthy of honor and respect, and which ones are not? Can I tell God, "I didn't believe you commanded me to not steal"? And then God would say, "OK, if you didn't believe my Words, you are free to reject them"?



Don't we "Choose" to "Yield ourselves" servants to whom we obey? So I could "choose" to follow the commandments and traditions of men that the religious sect of the Pharisees taught for doctrine, or I can choose to "Yield myself" to God and "Live by" HIS Words, as Jesus instructed?

Would this not also include the 10 Commandments?




But Jerry, why did God allow them to be taken slaves?

EZ. 20: 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

Didn't Paul tell us these Scriptures were written "for our admonition" so that we might learn not to lust after disobedience as they lusted?


1 Kings 8:46-51
“When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry with them and deliver them to an enemy, so that they take them away captive to the land of the enemy, far off or near; if they take thought in the land where they have been taken captive, and repent and make supplication to You in the land of those who have taken them captive, saying, ‘We have sinned and have committed iniquity, we have acted wickedly’; if they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and pray to You toward their land which You have given to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name
then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people who have sinned against You and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against You, and make them objects of compassion before those who have taken them captive, that they may have compassion on them (for they are Your people and Your inheritance which You have brought forth from Egypt, from the midst of the iron furnace),

I believe one should keep the Sabbath, but some Christians think it is Sunday. We should yield ourselves to the ten commandments of God. However, Romans 14:5 indicates that some people don’t regard certain days as special. I would not condemn anybody who takes this to include the Sabbath, and it doesn’t follow that the other 9 commandments are in the same category.

The Hebrews were collectively punished by slavery in Babylon, which included people who were obedient to God. God heard their prayers, but it took 70 years for them to be free again.

P.S. I would have responded sooner, but I haven't been getting notifications from this thread.