Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

[Apple Sky]

No idea; but you did.

Or maybe it was b/c of this guy who IMO is correct.

 

[Apple Sky]

So now you just choose one guy who openly talks about his computer generated recreation of a globe earth,

It's not just one guy, anybody can prove if a picture has been photo shopped or is a CIG.

 

[Phil G]

Or maybe it was b/c of this guy who IMO is correct.

Again, a stupid post. The guy who in your opinion is correct, says this at the 2 minute mark:

“Ah, well that will never happen. Not on the moon. On Mars, on Venus and other planets, yes."

So he is correct according to you, people will land on Mars and Venus and other planets.

 

[Phil G]

It's not just one guy, anybody can prove if a picture has been photo shopped or is a CIG.

So why say he is the guy who has scientifically analyzed the evidence? Your posts are getting even more contradictory. If "anybody" can do it, you do it!

 

[Strong in Him]

Or maybe it was b/c of this guy who IMO is correct.

He made that claim 4 years before men walked on the moon.
Talk about being famously wrong.

 

[Strong in Him]

It's not just one guy, anybody can prove if a picture has been photo shopped or is a CIG.

Did they even have Photoshop or CGI in 1969?

 

[trophy33]

It's not just one guy, anybody can prove if a picture has been photo shopped or is a CIG.

"Anybody", but not you, right?

 

[Strong in Him]

So he is correct according to you, people will land on Mars and Venus and other planets.

Not only that, the guy who is correct speaks of planets - which apparently don't exist.

 

[Phil G]

Not only that, the guy who is correct speaks of planets - which apparently don't exist.

This is typical of flat earthers, they pick something which agrees with one point they claim, but forget it disagrees with other points they claim. The contradictory world of flat earth!

 

[Phil G]

I see your still maintaining that Antarctica is a blob on the globe

If you call Antarctica as it really is a "blob", then all land surrounded by sea is a "blob". How dare you imply that Ireland is a blob!

 

[Phil G]

Dean is not my idol, Jesus is.

For the record, Jesus is not an 'idol'. He is God. Idols are what you place equal to, or above, God in your life.

 

[Apple Sky]

The late and great Rob Skiba does a fantastic presentation on Flat Earth in this very clever lecture.

Debunking flat earth.

Flat Earth for DUMMIES by Rob Skiba

The late and great Rob Skiba does a fantastic presentation on Flat Earth in this very clever lecture.

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[prodromos]

The late and great Rob Skiba does a fantastic presentation on Flat Earth in this very clever lecture.

Debunking flat earth.

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Flat Earth for DUMMIES by Rob Skiba

The late and great Rob Skiba does a fantastic presentation on Flat Earth in this very clever lecture.

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Typical. Shows photos of one of the ice shelves in Antarctica. Pretends that the entire coast is like that (wonder how the penguins get up those ice cliffs).
Then a whole bunch of strawman arguments leading up to the fisheye lens. Yes, we know how a fisheye lens distorts, but if the horizon is in the middle of the lens it is not distorted, or if it is below the centre it is actually being curved up (so those 'flat' horizons are actually curving down).
I don't have time to watch any more at the moment

 

[Strong in Him]

If you call Antarctica as it really is a "blob", then all land surrounded by sea is a "blob". How dare you imply that Ireland is a blob!

Or even the UK.

 

[sir.dante.esq]

(Please Be Kind even if you don't agree so the thread stays open)


• Ambrose: Worthy surely was he to stand forth as a man who might stay the course of the river, and who might say: “Sun, stand still,” and delay the night and lengthen the day, as though to witness his victory. Why? a blessing denied to Moses–he alone was chosen to lead the people into the promised land. A man he was, great in the wonders he wrought by faith, great in his triumphs. The works of Moses were of a higher type, his brought greater success. Either of these then aided by divine grace rose above all human standing. The one ruled the sea, the other heaven. (Duties of the Clergy, Bk II, Ch XX, 99)


• Ambrose: But they say that the sun can be said to be alone, because there is no second sun. But the sun himself has many things in common with the stars, for he travels across the heavens, he is of that ethereal and heavenly substance, he is a creature, and is reckoned amongst all the works of God. He serves God in union with all, blesses Him with all, praises Him with all. Therefore he cannot accurately be said to be alone, for he is not set apart from the rest.(Exposition of the Christian Faith, Bk V, Ch II)


• Aphrahat: For the sun in twelve hours circles round, from the east unto the west; and when he has accomplished his course, his light is hidden in the night-time, and the night is not disturbed by his power. And in the hours of the night the sun turns round in his rapid course, and turning round begins to run in his accustomed path. (Demonstrations, 24).


• Archeleus: When the light had been diffused everywhere, God began to constitute the universe, and commenced with the heaven and the earth; in which process this issue appeared, to wit, that the midst, which is the locality of earth covered with shadow, as a consequence of the interpositions of the creatures which were called into being, was found to be obscure, in such wise that circumstances required light to be introduced into that place, which was thus situated in the midst. (Disputation with Manes, 22).


• Arnobius: The moon, the sun, the earth, the ether, the stars, are members and parts of the world; but if they are parts and members, they are certainly not themselves living creatures (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Book 3, 350)


• Athanasius: But the earth is not supported upon itself, but is set upon the realm of the waters, while this again is kept in its place, being bound fast at the center of the universe. (Against the Heathen, Book I, Part I)



• Athanasius: For who that sees the circle of heaven and The Course of The Sun and the moon, and the positions and movements of the other stars, as they take place in opposite and different directions, while yet in their difference all with one accord observe a consistent order, can resist the conclusion that these are not ordered by themselves, but have a maker distinct from themselves who orders them? or who that sees the sun rising by day and the moon shining by night, and waning and waxing without variation exactly according to the same number of days, and some of the stars running their courses and with orbits various and manifold, while others move without wandering, can fail to perceive that they certainly have a creator to guide them? (Against the Heathen, Bk 1, Part III, 35)


• Athanasius : For by a nod and by the power of the Divine Word of the Father that governs and presides over all, the heaven revolves, the stars move, the sun shines, the moon goes her circuit, and the air receives the sun’s light and the aether his heat, and the winds blow: the mountains are reared on high, the sea is rough with waves, and the living things in it grow the earth abides fixed…” (Against the Heathen, Bk 1, Part III, 44)


• Athenagoras: to Him is for us to know who stretched out and vaulted the heavens, and fixed the earth in its place like a center (Why the Christians do not Offer Sacrifices, Ch XIII)


• Augustine: Let not the philosophers, then, think to upset our faith with arguments from the weight of bodies; for I don’t care to inquire why they cannot believe an earthly body can be in heaven, while the whole earth is suspended on nothing. For perhaps the world keeps its central place by the same law that attracts to its center all heavy bodies. (City of God, Bk XIII, Ch 18)


• Augustine: For an eclipse of the sun had also happened; and this was attributed to the divine power of Romulus by the ignorant multitude, who did not know that it was brought about by the fixed laws of the sun’s course (City of God, Bk III, Ch 15)


• Augustine: This he said either of those things of which he had just been speaking–the succession of generations, the orbit of the sun, the course of rivers,–or else of all kinds of creatures. that are born and die. (City of God, Bk XII, Ch 13).


• Augustine: What is there so arranged by the Author of the nature of heaven and earth as the exactly ordered course of the stars? What is there established by laws so sure and inflexible? And yet, when it pleased Him who with sovereignty and supreme power regulates all He has created, a star conspicuous among the rest by its size and splendor changed its color, size, form, and, most wonderful of all, the order and law of its course! Certainly that phenomenon disturbed the canons of the astronomers, if there were any then, by which they tabulate, as by unerring computation, the past and future movements of the stars, so as to take upon them to affirm that this which happened to the morning star (Venus) never happened before nor since. But we read in the divine books that even the sun itself stood still when a holy man, Joshua the son of Nun, had begged this from God until victory should finish the battle he had begun; and that it even went back, that the promise of fifteen years added to the life of king Hezekiah might be sealed by this additional prodigy. But these miracles, which were vouchsafed to the merits of holy men, even when our adversaries believe them, they attribute to magical arts; so Virgil, in the lines I quoted above, ascribes to magic the power to “Turn rivers backward to their source, And make the stars forget their course.” (City of God, Book XXI, Ch 8).


• Augustine: Who else save Joshua the son of Nun divided the stream of the Jordan for the people to pass over, and by the utterance of a prayer to God bridled and stopped the revolving sun? Who save Samson ever quenched his thirst with water flowing forth from the jawbone of a dead ass? Who save Elias was carried aloft in a chariot of fire? (Tractates, XCI, Ch XV, 24-25, 2).


• Augustine: I desire to know the power and nature of time, by which we measure the motions of bodies, and say (for example) that this motion is twice as long as that. For, I ask, since “day” declares not the stay only of the sun upon the earth, according to which day is one thing, night another, but also its entire circuit from east even to east, according to which we say, “So many days have passed” (the nights being included when we say “so many days,” and their spaces not counted apart), since, then, the day is finished by the motion of the sun, and by his circuit from east to east, I ask, whether the motion itself is the day, or the period in which that motion is completed, or both? For if the first be the day, then would there be a day although the sun should finish that course in so small a space of time as an hour. If the second, then that would not be a day if from one sunrise to another there were but so short a period as an hour, but the sun must go round four-and-twenty times to complete a day. If both, neither could that be called a day if the sun should run his entire round in the space of an hour; nor that, if, while the sun stood still, so much time should pass as the sun is accustomed to accomplish his whole course in from morning to morning. I shall not therefore now ask, what that is which is called day, but what time is, by which we, measuring the circuit of the sun, should say that it was accomplished in half the space of time it was wont, if it had been completed in so small a space as twelve hours; and comparing both times, we should call that single, this double time, although the sun should run his course from east to east sometimes in that single, sometimes in that double time. Let no man then tell me that the motions of the heavenly bodies are times, because, when at the prayer of one the sun stood still in order that he might achieve his victorious battle, the sun stood still, but time went on. For in such space of time as was sufficient was that battle fought and ended. I see that time, then, is a certain extension. But do I see it, or do I seem to see it? Thou, O Light and Truth, wilt show me. (Confessions, Bk XI, Ch XXIII, 30)



• Basil: There are inquirers into nature who with a great display of words give reasons for the immobility of the earth…It is not, they go on, without reason or by chance that the earth occupies the center of the universe…Do not then be surprised that the world never falls: it occupies the center of the universe, its natural place. By necessity it is obliged to remain in its place, unless a movement contrary to nature should displace it. If there is anything in this system which might appear probable to you, keep your admiration for the source of such perfect order, for the wisdom of God. Grand phenomena do not strike us the less when we have discovered something of their wonderful mechanism. Is it otherwise here? At all events let us prefer the simplicity of faith to the demonstrations of reason. (Nine Homilies on the Hexameron, 10)


• Basil: If the sun, subject to corruption, is so beautiful, so grand. so rapid in its Movement, so invariable in its course; if its grandeur is in such perfect harmony with and due proportion to the universe: if, by the beauty of its nature, it shines like a brilliant eye in the middle of creation; if finally, one cannot tire of contemplating it, what will be the beauty of the Sun of Righteousness? (Homilies, 6)


• Basil: From thence the sun, returning to the summer solstice, in the direction of the North, gives us the longest days. And, as it travels farther in the air, it burns that which is over our heads, dries up the earth, ripens the grains and hastens the maturity of the fruits of the trees. (Homilies, 6, 8).


• Basil: It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circumference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. (Homilies, IX).


• Basil: In the midst of the covering and veil, where the priests were allowed to enter, was situated the altar of incense, the symbol of the earth placed in the middle of this universe; and from it came the fumes of incense. (The Mystic Meaning of the Tabernacle, Bk V, Ch VI; Clement of Rome, Stromata, Bk V)


• Basil: Like tops, which after the first impulse, continue their evolutions, turning upon themselves when once fixed in their centre; thus nature, receiving the impulse of this first command, follows without interruption the course of ages, until the consummation of all things. (Homilies, V, 10)


• John Cassian: He was a man who, after the close of his life had been decreed and the day of his death determined by the Lord’s sentence, prevailed by a single prayer to extend the limits set to his life by fifteen years, the sun returning by ten steps, on which it had already shone in its course towards its setting, and by its return dispersing those lines which the shadow that followed its course had already marked, and by this giving two days in one to the whole world, by a stupendous miracle contrary to the fixed laws of nature. Yet after signs so great and so incredible, after such immense proofs of his goodness, hear the Scripture tell how he was destroyed by his very successes. (Twelve Books on the Institutes, Bk XI, Ch X).

Boggles the mind doesn’t it?

Isaiah 38:8 “Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.”

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 8. - The sun-dial of Ahaz. We are informed by Herodotus that the sun-dial was an invention of the Babylonians (Herod., 2:109), from whom it would readily pass to the Assyrians. Ahaz may have obtained a knowledge of it, or an actual specimen, when he visited Tiglath-Pileser at Damascus (2 Kings 16:10), and, on his return to his capital, have caused one to be erected there. Sun-dials are of several kinds. The one here spoken of seems to have consisted of a set of steps, with a perpendicular gnomon or pole at the top, the shadow of which receded up the steps as the sun rose in the heavens, and descended down them as the sun declined. We must suppose that the sign was given in the forenoon, when the shadow was gradually creeping up the steps. Hezekiah thought that a sudden jump in the same direction would be as nothing compared with a reversal of the motion, and therefore required that the shadow should go back, which it did. How the effect was produced, whether by an eclipse as argued by Mr. Bosanquet ('Transactions of Society of Bibl. Archaeology,' vol. 3. pp. 34-40), or by refraction, or by an actual alteration of the earth's motion, we are not told; but there is reason to believe that the cause, whatever it was, was local, not general, since the King of Babylon subsequently sent ambassadors, to inquire concerning "the wonder that was done in the land" (2 Chronicles 32:31). The sun returned ten degrees. We must not press this expression as indicating a real alteration of the sun's place in the heavens. The meaning is that the shadow cast by the sun returned. Isaiah 38:8

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, the length of a day is not a fixed constant, but rather "relative" depending on the observer's frame of reference, meaning that someone traveling at a high speed would experience a day as slightly longer than someone at rest, as time would pass slower for the moving observer; essentially, a day could be slightly longer or shorter depending on the observer's speed and gravitational field.

Key points about Einstein's view on time:

• Time dilation: The faster you move, the slower time passes for you relative to a stationary observer.
• Gravitational time dilation: Time also runs slower in stronger gravitational fields.
• No absolute time: There is no single "correct" time, as time is relative to the observer's frame of reference.

 

[Apple Sky]

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, the length of a day is not a fixed constant, but rather "relative" depending on the observer's frame of reference, meaning that someone traveling at a high speed would experience a day as slightly longer than someone at rest, as time would pass slower for the moving observer; essentially, a day could be slightly longer or shorter depending on the observer's speed and gravitational field.

Key points about Einstein's view on time:

• Time dilation: The faster you move, the slower time passes for you relative to a stationary observer.
• Gravitational time dilation: Time also runs slower in stronger gravitational fields.
• No absolute time: There is no single "correct" time, as time is relative to the observer's frame of reference.

Einstein Admits the Earth is Flat

This is the best debate for a flat earth. If the government says one thing believe the opposite

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[Apple Sky]

If you call Antarctica as it really is a "blob", then all land surrounded by sea is a "blob". How dare you imply that Ireland is a blob!

Oops, I'm sorry, did I hit a raw nerve

 

[Phil G]

Oops, I'm sorry, did I hit a raw nerve

No, just showing how stupid your post was….

As all your flat earth rubbish tends to be.

 

[Apple Sky]

No, just showing how stupid your post was….

As all your flat earth rubbish tends to be.

Sigh - There's just no getting through to some folk.

 

[Phil G]

Sigh - There's just no getting through to some folk.

Double sigh…Which is why you never change.