Islam attacks Israel

[keras]

This is what the Sovereign Lord says: None of my words will be delayed any longer; whatever I say will be fulfilled, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”​

As I said - most of Ezekiel is about those kingdoms then.

The Lords Words are not yet fulfilled completely. What He said to Ezekiel, was is His timing, not ours.

What do you place the death toll of your CME at?

Seems to be very many:
Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.

Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.

Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.

Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.

Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.

Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.

Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.

Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.

Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.

Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.

Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, with no one to gather them

So the Middle East? 400 Million people or so?
A full scale nuclear war would kill 360 million in the first hour - then 5 BILLION would starve to death in the coming years!

You don't know about the Equitorial Divide? The Southern Hemisphere would not be directly affected by a nuke exchange in the Northern H.

The fate of the Jewish State of Israel:
Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.

Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.

Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.

Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.

you basically call any who disagree UNSAVED by the verses you apply to them!

No; anyone who accepts Jesus as their Saviour, is now a child of God. But they are at risk until Jesus Returns, because their false beliefs; which will not happen, may cause them to renounce the Lord.

this CME business? Don't look now - but I think Nick Cage is wondering if he has to take a copyright case against you.

Nicholas Cage has no patent on Coronal Mass Ejections. NASA and other scientists have been warning us for years that a big CME is likely and would devastate the world.
It is what will happen. God Promised to never again use water to destroy the world, but in over 100 Prophesies, He warns us of the fire He will instigate the next time. We are now at the point where civilization is again as in the days of Noah.

I always thought that particular light was the healing light of heaven as seen in the heavenly Jerusalem. Why? Because it is 7 times brighter - meaning God's perfect and holy light - not the mere celestial body we call the sun. That light is in the context of nice things in Isaiah 30. The destruction happens a bit later.

As usual, you fail to find out how a CME works. First; the super bright flash of the explosion, seen from the earth within 8 minutes. It will cause the destruction of everything electrical and electronic. Our systems of lighting, heating, communications, transport, etc; All gone in a flash.
Also the microwave effect will cause tectonic plate movement, Deuteronomy 32:22, Revelation 6:14b

Secondly; the main mass of superheated Hydrogen Plasma, will arrive about 24 hours later. The fire destruction as Prophesied.
Thirdly; The Lord will protect His faithful people, those who - Call upon His Name and He will heal their spiritual wounds, Malachi 4:1-3

Tell me, why does a CME need firewood? From later in Isaiah 30...

The flammable materials are here now. The CME will set forests, houses , etc ablaze.
The CME will quickly pass and the earth rotates and travels at 66,000mph on its orbital track, so just how badly affected places like Australia will be affected, is not known.

 

[keras]

That didn't square the circle.

Why do you insist the recent Iranian attack DEMANDS a particular response from Israel?

What are the consiquences of Israel failing to respond in the way you insist the situation DEMANDS they do, if you also insist that there is no conceivable response from Israel that could possibly alter God's plan for them?

Its the old 'tit for tat' situation.
Israel is preparing a response, from what I see. Them Iran will feel the need to pay Israel back and maybe they will choose to resolve the situation by using nuke missiles.
However, as 1 Thess 5:3 says. things will be peaceful just before the Lord intervenes. I believe a peace agreement will be made, but as we know such treaties mean nothing the Islamic people, and when the opportunity comes, - the Iran will attack. To their downfall,

 

[eclipsenow]

The Lords Words are not yet fulfilled completely. What He said to Ezekiel, was is His timing, not ours.

What kind of answer is that? Until you can be honest about how you plucked this verse out of context, I'm not going to read a single utterance of yours about anything else. You just used non-words to try and wave away the inconvenient reality of what Ezekiel was actually saying. You quoted the proverb God was MOCKING to try and argue that the whole book was about the future!

So if the whole book is NOT about the future - but is OBVIOUSLY about the judgements that were going to start in Ezekiel's lifetime - how do we tell the difference? What might actually be about the future, and what is actually about then and there - Ezekiel's generation?
Oh - well that might require some understanding of how the original audience understood it, hey? You know - hermeneutics? Some understanding of the history and theology of the times? Go on - quote Matthew against theology again! Accuse all the theologians I read - some of whom I know personally - as denying the real person of Jesus of Nazareth because of the 'wisdom of this world.' And in the meantime - whatever you do - don't be honest about what's actually going on with the proverb you just utterly ripped out of context SO BAD you tried to make it say the OPPOSITE of what Ezekiel intended!

Ezekiel 12:27​

21 The word of the Lord came to me: 22 “Son of man, what is this proverb you have in the land of Israel: ‘The days go by and every vision comes to nothing’? 23 Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to put an end to this proverb, and they will no longer quote it in Israel.’ Say to them, ‘The days are near when every vision will be fulfilled. 24 For there will be no more false visions or flattering divinations among the people of Israel. 25 But I the Lord will speak what I will, and it shall be fulfilled without delay. For in your days, you rebellious people, I will fulfill whatever I say, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”
26 The word of the Lord came to me: 27 “Son of man, the Israelites are saying, ‘The vision he sees is for many years from now, and he prophesies about the distant future.’ 28 “Therefore say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: None of my words will be delayed any longer; whatever I say will be fulfilled, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”​

From the wiki:​

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The Abrahamic religions acknowledge Ezekiel as a prophet. According to the narrative, Ezekiel prophesied the destruction of Judah's capital city Jerusalem. Then in 587 BCE, the Babylonian empire conquered Jerusalem, destroyed Solomon's Temple, and sent the Jewish upper classes into the Babylonian captivity.​

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However, Ezekiel also prophesied the eventual restoration of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel. It is believed he died around 570 BCE; Ezekiel's Tomb is the most important Jewish religious site in Mesopotamia. Three decades later in 539 BCE, the Persian empire conquered Babylon and the Edict of Cyrus repatriated the Jews in the return to Zion.

Ezekiel - Wikipedia

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Here is a good explanation of the Ezekiel temple.

Amillennial Interpretation of Ezekiel 40-48 | Monergism

Meg. T. asks:"Dr. Riddlebarger, what is your take on Ezekiel's description of the Temple? I've never heard an amil explanation of the cooking pots and rooms

www.monergism.com

 

[parousia70]

Its the old 'tit for tat' situation.
Israel is preparing a response, from what I see. Them Iran will feel the need to pay Israel back and maybe they will choose to resolve the situation by using nuke missiles.
However, as 1 Thess 5:3 says. things will be peaceful just before the Lord intervenes. I believe a peace agreement will be made, but as we know such treaties mean nothing the Islamic people, and when the opportunity comes, - the Iran will attack. To their downfall,

Circle still not squared... You said the latest Iranian attack DEMANDED a particular response from Israel. - not that they were preparing a response or they will respond tit for tat... you said it DEMANDS a certain response.

I want to know WHY you think such a response is DEMANDED? Becasue it makes no sense for you to believe a certain responses is DEMANDED while also Holding that there is no response whatsoever that could make ANY difference in the outcome.

 

[eclipsenow]

I believe a peace agreement will be made, but as we know such treaties mean nothing the Islamic people, and when the opportunity comes, - the Iran will attack. To their downfall,

Circle still not squared... You said the latest Iranian attack DEMANDED a particular response from Israel. - not that they were preparing a response or they will respond tit for tat... you said it DEMANDS a certain response.

I want to know WHY you think such a response is DEMANDED? Becasue it makes no sense for you to believe a certain responses is DEMANDED while also Holding that there is no response whatsoever that could make ANY difference in the outcome.

I'm so over the melodramatic uber-certain tone Keras uses in one post - only to completely back down and qualify it in another post.
It's getting to be like certain Youtubers that use click-bait.

So the Opening Post makes this melodramatic claim:-

"This war will not fizzle out, there has to be a final outcome. What that will be, is told to us in the Prophetic Word:"

And now he's writing about peace. He's just making it up as he goes along, quoting verses out of context - and I'm kinda over it.

 

[keras]

For in your days, you rebellious people, I will fulfill whatever I say, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”

Obviously; all the Prophesies were not fulfilled in ancient days.
It is 'your days', now for the Jewish State of Israel. Romans 3:10-18 Soon the Lord will do what He has said He will. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:22-24

I want to know WHY you think such a response is DEMANDED?

Would you just ignore rockets raining down on you?

 

[keras]

I'm so over the melodramatic uber-certain tone Keras uses in one post - only to completely back down and qualify it in another post.
It's getting to be like certain Youtubers that use click-bait.

So the Opening Post makes this melodramatic claim:-

"This war will not fizzle out, there has to be a final outcome. What that will be, is told to us in the Prophetic Word:"

And now he's writing about peace. He's just making it up as he goes along, quoting verses out of context - and I'm kinda over it.

I quote the Bible Prophets, If they were melodramatic, and they were, then I'm in good company.
Your MO is just to criticize and denigrate. You seem unable to actually refute anything. When the sun shone 7 times brighter, for example.

We will all 'be over it', after what the Lord has said will happen; does happen.

 

[eclipsenow]

Obviously; all the Prophesies were not fulfilled in ancient days.

Why? You have not proved this at all! Which particular prophecies from Ezekiel were NOT POSSIBLY fulfilled in the ancient context? As far as I can remember it's only the last few chapters with the 'super-temple' that hints at the new creation and living waters possible through Jesus - and that's largely gospel and heavenly language. In other words - not so much a predicted timetable - but a good old gospel promise.

So - over to you.

What - from Ezekiel - is not possibly fulfilled in his time? As God said it would be?

 

[eclipsenow]

I quote the Bible Prophets

You 'quote' them out of context, upside down, and inside out.

You JUST took a proverb God was MOCKING and rebuking and used it to make it normative! Endorsed the spirit of the quote God was rebuking?

Seriously. How dare you?

 

[parousia70]

Would you just ignore rockets raining down on you?

Well, yes, I’d ignore the ones that were going to land in the desert where no one is, and then I’d shoot the rest of them out of the sky, just like Israel did, and then LEAVE IT AT THAT, so as not to participate in any escalation in violence, in violation of my conscience and morals.

After the folks lobbing missiles my way finally got bored of missing all the time and wasting their resources, so they backed off, I would then seek a solution based on the force of law instead of the law of force.

And I think THAT is the response that all decent and moral people the world over should DEMAND of Israel.

What would you do and why?

 

[keras]

You have not proved this at all!

It is your false assertion that the Prophesies are fulfilled, It is up to you to show when any of them occurred.
I asked for the historical proof of what the sun shone 7 times brighter, Isaiah 30:26a Surely that would have been recorded by the Chinese and depicted on cave walls, etc.

 

[eclipsenow]

It is your false assertion that the Prophesies are fulfilled, It is up to you to show when any of them occurred.

I've quoted the Bible Project and the Wiki on Ezekiel. It's not my fault you don't seem to know the first thing about what Ezekiel is even about! It's also not my fault that you just refuse to listen to theologians with PhD's in Hebrew symbolism! They actually know something about hermeneutics. About reading in context. About trying to - I don't know - pluck verses out of context so they say EXACTLY the opposite of what God intended!
EG:

The Prophesies were generally not for their generation. Ezekiel 12:27 ....these Prophesies are for a distant future time. Also; Daniel 12:4

Islam attacks Israel

None of those, just the simple Biblical sequence of events as Written in Revelation 6. The first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His Ascension, Revelation 5:7 Proved by the Christian martyrs since Stephen. I am sorry keras. The Seals are tough. They span a long number of years. When they're...

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So - Ezekiel's prophesies. What don't you understand? Have you ever sat and read the book cover to cover?

Ezekiel is MOSTLY fulfilled prophecy. Only some heavenly and / or gospel promises at the end remain partially fulfilled (in eschatological tension awaiting the return of the Lord!) Want proof? OK - let's go!

Ezekiel is carried off to Babylon in the first attack on Jerusalem. They were part of the first wave of captives - while the city is temporarily spared. He was in Babylon for 5 years when the prophecy of the great glory vision of God comes to him.

Chapters 1 to 11 are Accusations against Israel:– the tribe of Judah still back in Jerusalem. Ezekiel enacts bizarre street theatre. There’s also a virtual tour of the old temple and the awful idolatry and crimes Judah was getting up to at that very moment. Then God’s chariot throne leaves the temple where his people were – and heads out to join the minority of captives in Babylon. Everyone back home has been abandoned! It’s an awful vision, but also comforting. God will be with them even in their captivity. A remnant will return

Chapters 12 to 24 are announcements of God’s Judgements on Israel - prophesies about what is JUST ABOUT TO HAPPEN! These are dressed up in parable and allegory. In between them Ezekiel acts like a lawyer making the case that the rest of Israel will soon be judged. It is God’s GOODNESS that demands he keep his Judgments prophesied so long ago in Deuteronomy.

Chapters 25 to 32 are prophesies against the nations – Philistia, Edom, Moab, Ammon, EGYPT and TYRE! They view themselves as gods, and must be corrected. They will face God’s justice at the hands of Babylon. When did this occur? As Babylon expanded across the ancient world in the 7th and 6th centuries BC. Chapters 25 to 32 are FULFILLED!

Chapter 33 - FULFILMENT! A refugee arrives to inform them that Babylon has taken the rest of the city. The temple has fallen. The city is destroyed. It had happened. Just as God said in Chapter 12:-

"21 The word of the Lord came to me: 22 “Son of man, what is this proverb you have in the land of Israel: ‘The days go by and every vision comes to nothing’? 23 Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to put an end to this proverb, and they will no longer quote it in Israel.’ Say to them, ‘The days are near when every vision will be fulfilled. 24 For there will be no more false visions or flattering divinations among the people of Israel. 25 But I the Lord will speak what I will, and it shall be fulfilled without delay. For in your days, you rebellious people, I will fulfil whatever I say, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”​

26 The word of the Lord came to me: 27 “Son of man, the Israelites are saying, ‘The vision he sees is for many years from now, and he prophesies about the distant future.’ 28 “Therefore say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: None of my words will be delayed any longer; whatever I say will be fulfilled, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”​

God’s prophesies across the whole first half of the book were NOW FULFILLED! Israel was dead. The horror! The horror! God’s judgment had fallen.

Chapters 34 to 37: But remember the end of Chapter 11! There is hope. One day God is going to resurrect this dead nation! A new David (Jesus) will bring a new people of God to life. With a new heart! Just like the promise at the end of Deuteronomy. They’ll have new soft hearts. Then there’s the vision of the valley of dry bones – and new humans – a re-created nation is alive! It’s a new act of creation. So we see this fulfilled in history as Persia lets the Jews return home to setup the scene for Jesus to arrive. He then dies in our place, rises again to show our punishment is paid, and gives us the Holy Spirit to trust in him and being the journey of building those new hearts!

Chapters 38 to 39: God will defeat all the evil in the nations. Gog is from Genesis 10 – a powerful enemy nation – and the way Ezekiel describes Gog is as representative of ALL the enemy nations against God. Gog has bits and pieces of the descriptions of Egypt and Tyre and Ammon etc. Bits of them all, wrapped up in the one awful representation of rebellion. And he gets judged so thoroughly it requires 3 symbols: earthquake, fire, and being left in the fields to be eaten by animals for 7 years. These are NOT literal – as just the massive earthquake is so utterly destructive that no body would be left to be burned, and the fire so destructive no body would be left to rot in the field. It’s Ezekiel’s vivid symbolism describing the awful judgement against the nations that will fall when the Lord returns.

(It’s why the kings and princes cry out in horror when they see the FACE OF GOD in Revelation 6! NOT a CME!)

The rest of the book explores the SUPER-TEMPLE and the land becoming a new creation. Ezekiel’s heavenly temple is OBVIOUSLY symbolic. What temple could be built in Jerusalem that has a river coming out the front door and down the front steps that brings the Dead Sea area back to life?
But we see that Jesus fulfils this vision in his gospel ministry - but in eschatological tension. In the now but not yet of the Kingdom of God present on earth now - but not ruling. EG: Jesus said HE was the perfect temple! HE would be torn down and raised in 3 days.

HE IS ALSO THE RIVER! He explained to the Samaritan woman at the well (a place in the OT where a groom meets his future bride!) that HE is the Messiah. (And really the groom come to find his bride - the Samaritans). He says both Jew and Gentile will worship ANYWHERE - in “Spirit and in truth”. HE is the living water that brings life!

Jesus is the perfect temple AND the river that brings new life to the world. Then in Acts we see Peter declaring that the Last Days had started because of this gospel. And by the end of Acts it had gone from Jerusalem to Rome - the ends of the earth. Everything has been fulfilled except the final promise that one day God will return and judge Gog - all his enemies for all eternity.

 

[keras]

Ezekiel's prophesies. What don't you understand? Have you ever sat and read the book cover to cover?

Ezekiel is MOSTLY fulfilled prophecy. Only some heavenly and / or gospel promises at the end remain partially fulfilled (in eschatological tension awaiting the return of the Lord!) Want proof? OK - let's go!

I counted 56 articles that I have written on the Prophesies of Ezekiel. I know all the Bible very well.

Most remain to be fulfilled, your 'proofs' are just the theories and opinions of those for whom the Prophesies are impossible to comprehend.
Matthew 11:25, Daniel 12:10b

Then in Acts we see Peter declaring that the Last Days had started because of this gospel.

You need to read Acts 2:14-20 again. Peter refers to Joel 3:27-32, After this...... Verse 27 You will know I am present in Israel.....
All yet to happen in our future.

 

[eclipsenow]

I counted 56 articles that I have written on the Prophesies of Ezekiel. I know all the Bible very well.

Yeah - so well you make God's "It's happening RIGHT NOW EZEKIEL!" into "Way way later - in the distant future".

You know Ezekiel SO WELL you've totally missed the point of Chapter 33 that shows all the judgements against Israel were finally carried out in history. The lonely refugee comes crying about the disaster back home!

21 In the twelfth year of our exile, in the tenth month on the fifth day, a man who had escaped from Jerusalem came to me and said, “The city has fallen!”...​

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...27 “Say this to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: As surely as I live, those who are left in the ruins will fall by the sword, those out in the country I will give to the wild animals to be devoured, and those in strongholds and caves will die of a plague. 28 I will make the land a desolate waste, and her proud strength will come to an end, and the mountains of Israel will become desolate so that no one will cross them. 29 Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I have made the land a desolate waste because of all the detestable things they have done.’ 33 “When all this comes true—and it surely will—then they will know that a prophet has been among them.”​

It's a significant Chapter and shows how EVERYTHING PRIOR concerning Israel was fulfilled.

Then we look to the prophecies concerning the nations - and see Babylon took them all out!

All that's left is the eschatological end of Ezekiel - with God's promise to restore the Jews - which happened in 539 BCE, the Persian king Cyrus the Great issued the Edict of Cyrus allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and the Land of Judah.

The valley of dry bones bit? That's the gospel, God making a new kingdom. The super-temple and river of life? That's Jesus. The judgement of Gog? That represents how all God's enemies were judged on the cross - along with all our sin - and their only hope is to trust in Jesus - because the vision of Gog (all God's enemies being judged) WILL still happen when Jesus returns. Which he spells out in great detail in the gospels - especially in Matthew 24 when he explains he will return like a thief in the night, like a groom, like a judge that separates the sheep from the goats, etc.

Most remain to be fulfilled, your 'proofs' are just the theories and opinions of those for whom the Prophesies are impossible to comprehend.

Yes - your theories ARE impossible to comprehend! WHY BOTHER?

You're reading ancient prophesies about ancient kingdoms that largely no longer exist BECAUSE the prophecies against them were fulfilled, and going "Aha! I can do things with these verses NO ONE ELSE CAN!" Um, comprehension issues much? (Like God's "NOW!" being "A time far far away" in Chapter 12 ha ha ha!) Chariots and war and Hebrew symbolism about signs in the heavens largely signify the overthrow of kings and authorities.

And what's with all the whacky Hollywood spin-off theories? The last time you got all fevered about an end-times table was the whacky semi-Christian, semi-pagan 2012 rubbish. I found it hilarious (and a bit sad) that Christians got all fevered over weird stuff in the culture from misunderstanding Mayan calendars. You went with all that - and still DEMAND we respect your opinion now? Indeed my sister and I tend to go to the movies for end-of-the-world disasters like "2012" and I laughed all the way through it! It was hilarious!

Not only that, you attack people I know personally who are fluent in Ancient Hebrew and Greek, understand the history of the period with vastly more nuance and detail and comprehension than you, have read millennia of theology, have discarded the rubbish (like your 2012 fantasy), have earned PhD's in theology - and you just scoff at them while admitting to being side tracked on eschatology before?

Then you try to divert to other New Testament texts you don't understand to side-track away from Ezekiel as fast as possible!

You need to read Acts 2:14-20 again. Peter refers to Joel 3:27-32,

No buddy - YOU need to read it again because Peter is unpacking Joel to explain what is happening at Pentecost then and there! Unless you think Pentecost is off in the future? Why am I getting Ezekiel 12 vibes all over again?

Oh, let's just shove it ALL off into the future? I mean - did Jesus really die for our sins and rise again - or is that a prophecy? Did the Holy Spirit really empower the church at Pentecost and allow the disciples to be understood in other non-Hebrew nations - showing the miracle of the gospel going out into all people groups - or is that off in the future? So Peter got up and said "They're not drunk as it's 9 o'clock in the morning - but to explain this - here's a sermon on THE FUTURE - not what's happening now?"

Yeah right! Pull the other one it plays jingle bells!

How about the Babylonian empire that already conquered the world? Let's read that LITERALLY in Revelation and pretend John wasn't using Babylon as a symbol of God's enemies, the Romans. Let's pretend that reference to Gog in Revelation wasn't symbolic - and is literally about a giant amalgamation enemy made of bits of ancient Philistia, Edom, Moab, Ammon, EGYPT and TYRE! (Even though the regimes that made these places were wiped out by Babylon and no longer exist - and their names today only reflect geography, not the actual nations that Ezekiel was talking about back then!)

So - when does Iraq get renamed to Babylon? Got a date on that? And how does it become the regime Ezekiel was talking about again?

Those geopolitical prophecies WERE all fulfilled literally. Babylon DID wipe out those ancient kingdoms. Ezekiel WAS right, God DID fulfil them 'soon' (Chapter 12). And the eschatological visions at the end are coming true - bit by bit - as the gospel goes out into the world.

Yeah, let's pretend that Jesus is a lamb with 7 eyes and 7 horns....

It's funny how you futurists love to go on about reading Revelation 'literally' and Ezekiel 'literally' - and yet haven't got a clue about respecting the literary conventions of the time. You can't even begin to understand what was literal, literary, or some other genre.

 

[keras]

It's a significant Chapter and shows how EVERYTHING PRIOR concerning Israel was fulfilled.

An incomplete fulfilment does not preclude a future final fulfilment. I reject your beliefs and opinions on the Prophetic Word.

It's funny how you futurists love to go on about reading Revelation

What is not funny, is the lack of understanding of what God has told us about His plans for the end times.
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[eclipsenow]

An incomplete fulfilment does not preclude a future final fulfilment. I reject your beliefs and opinions on the Prophetic Word.

Yes, I got that bit.
The only bit missing?
A rational reason why.
From Ezekiel - at the moment.

What is not funny, is the lack of understanding of what God has told us about His plans for the end times.

Agreed! It is not honouring to God to cherry-pick verses out of context to totally warp the meaning of his word.

YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE MEANING OF EZEKIEL AND ROBBED GOD OF HIS GLORY!
EG: It is not honouring to God to remove the internal meaning and structure of a book like Ezekiel. YOUR reading of Ezekiel 12 TOTALLY undermined the real meaning of the passage - and robbed God of his glory due when he fulfilled his prophecies to Israel via Ezekiel just 11 Chapters later in Chapter 33! He said SOON - and he MEANT IT! It's the same with the nations. Babylon raced across the ancient world - and those cultures fell. The were judged. They are gone, forever dust. Only place-names remain - but with vastly different cultures and languages.

YOU HAVE EMBARRASSED CHRISTIANITY WITH PREVIOUS FALSE PREDICTIONS.
Like your 2012 nonsense. Young people are on a knife's edge regarding their faith these days, wondering if they've been hoodwinked. They might get hooked by psychological comfort of the Apocalyptic Outsider's quest for 'certainty' regarding the future. And if that 'comfort' suddenly turns out calamitously false - are they going to treat the bible with the same disgust they'll treat your little blog when it fails? This next quote is from my blog - and originally the ABC's religion show Compass. It looked at both secular environmental 'Doomers' and more religious Apocalyptic Outsiders - and had a guest psychologist.

Susan Tanner​

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Clinical Psychologist​

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Now many things are not predictable. The world is a very uncertain place. People change their jobs, organisations fold, collapse, you know, There is no guarantee in anything any more…Global threats like war, climate change certainly create anxiety too because the future is no longer guaranteed…​

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….that sort of unpredictability and uncertainty creates a lot of anxiety, and anxiety is often a precursor to depression.​

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Unresolved anxiety sets people up for depression, because you can then feel despondent that well there actually isn’t anything I can do. Because climate change is out of my hands, terrorism is out of my hands…​

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So that can lead to what’s called catastrophic thinking, that imagining the worst scenario of what might happen and then believing that that’s what will happen.​

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Narrator​

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Surprisingly, being certain about the end can actually bring relief to those suffering anxiety…​

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Susan Tanner​

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Apocalyptic thinking can be very useful to people who need to feel a sense of control, and that they therefore feel calm because they know what’s going to happen. Living with uncertainty, living with a question mark is the hardest thing to do for all human beings. We like to know what’s going to happen. That’s why we visit clairvoyants and you know we have our tarots read and all sorts of things….​

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Doomers – an introduction

Discouraged vs doomerThe Doomer belief systemA weird allianceProminent doomersLike a cult, it is tribal and divisiveLike a cult, it meets deep psychological needs My experience – and the suic…

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[rturner76]

A religion can't attack anyone, only religious extremists/zealots. Most Islamic people aren't violent but Islamic extremist groups certainly can be, and that includes the was the Jewish nation obliterates people as well.

 

[keras]

A religion can't attack anyone, only religious extremists/zealots. Most Islamic people aren't violent but Islamic extremist groups certainly can be, and that includes the was the Jewish nation obliterates people as well.

The Koran exhorts Muslims to kill infidels.
Jews are fighting for survival and usually show concern for non combatants.
Christians are told to love their enemies.

My point in this thread, is the outcome of the situation in the Middle East is that the Lord will destroy them all.
Many Prophesies describe this scenario, if people can't see or understand the Prophesies, then I can't help them.

 

[eclipsenow]

So Keras - which prophesies in Ezekiel Chapters 1 to 33 are not fulfilled? I apologise if I missed something that is actually futurist in there - but my general understanding is that they are huge historical chunks Condemning Israel, Predicting what will happen to Jerusalem, Predicting what will happen to the nations, and then the Jerusalem predictions all come true in Chapter 33 - and the prophesies against the nations come true in history. That's 1 to 33 - done! I KNOW you'll extrapolate Gog out to Revelation - but again - Revelation is NOT a future timetable or John's generation could not obey it!

 

[rturner76]

The Koran exhorts Muslims to kill infidels.

Not if they follow Islamic lay in a Muslim country and pay an extra tax. They are only open to assination if they violate these laws and try to convert other Muslims. The Quran does preach that Muslims live peacefully with "people of the book." meaning people who follow the old or new testament and they also declare the Jesus IS the Christ. It's extremists who twist the Quan to the own political needs.

My point in this thread, is the outcome of the situation in the Middle East is that the Lord will destroy them all.
Many Prophesies describe this scenario, if people can't see or understand the Prophesies, then I can't help them.

From my understanding, Christ fulfilled most of the OT prophecies and everyone must face the day of judgment which is also what Muslims believe.