FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[ViaCrucis]

Maybe if you had a friend in China you could trust, have him call you when the sun is overhead at 12pm his time and see if the sun is up where you live.

Why China?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Why China?

-CryptoLutheran

Because those that believe in a globe insist that China is on the opposite side of the globe than us. If they are on the opposite side of the globe than you are and it is night time there, while you are experiencing day time where you are at, maybe, just maybe, the earth if a globe. There are times where the sun has set here in North Carolina and it is night time here and yet it is still day light in Thousand Oaks, California.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Maybe they could ask people in the UK to point out the Southern Cross. And those in Australia to look out for the North Star. If the world is flat then they should all be visible to everyone. You can explain why they aren't.

And then someone in the UK can take a picture of a full moon. Then someone in Australia can do the same. And then you can tell us why one picture is upside down compared to the other.

I have heard that they have some sort of explanation for that, but I have never heard what it was. Curious.

Told a cousin of mine that when he wins the lottery, we can buy a plane and fill it with 55 gallon drums of fuel and fly south till we see what's on the other side of that ice wall he says is down there.

 

[DennisF]

Tom McNamara on Quora was not intending to make an argument in favor of a flat earth but was pointing out the inadequacy of the method, though it is based on observation. Michael Polanyi's opening chapter in Personal Knowledge makes the same point, that observation without reason is inadequate, though in the Middle Ages, that is what the nominalists were trying to do. Some still do today.
P.S. If science were like politics, then perhaps a compromise position of a half-flat earth would be tenable!

 

[BobRyan]

Maybe they could ask people in the UK to point out the Southern Cross. And those in Australia to look out for the North Star. If the world is flat then they should all be visible to everyone. You can explain why they aren't.

And then someone in the UK can take a picture of a full moon. Then someone in Australia can do the same. And then you can tell us why one picture is upside down compared to the other.

Very good point.

Unless of course there is no universe at all and above the sky is just a sheet of paper with little pockets of light

 

[BobRyan]

Tom McNamara on Quora was not intending to make an argument in favor of a flat earth but was pointing out the inadequacy of the method,

He points out that at sufficient altitudes the curve of the Earth is visible to the naked eye.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Because those that believe in a globe insist that China is on the opposite side of the globe than us. If they are on the opposite side of the globe than you are and it is night time there, while you are experiencing day time where you are at, maybe, just maybe, the earth if a globe. There are times where the sun has set here in North Carolina and it is night time here and yet it is still day light in Thousand Oaks, California.

Did you get reality and Looney Toons confused?

There are people all over the globe participating on these forums. I've had conversations with people all over the globe. I don't need to dig a hole to China because I made a wrong turn at Albuquerque to ask them anything.

Holy cow man.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Did you get reality and Looney Toons confused?

There are people all over the globe participating on these forums. I've had conversations with people all over the globe. I don't need to dig a hole to China because I made a wrong turn at Albuquerque to ask them anything.

Holy cow man.

-CryptoLutheran

Who said anything about digging a hole to China? That's a ridiculous conclusion. I am talking about talking, on the phone, to someone in China. Someone you trust. If you live on the east coast, try calling a friend in California about 10pm and you find out the sun is out and is still shining there. And who said anything about you making a wrong turn at Albuquerque? If you don't have a friend in China you can trust, then call a friend in Europe you can trust. At 4pm Eastern Time call someone in Germany and ask them if the sun has set. Heck, you could do it with Iphone Face Time. it may be fun to give it a try.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Who said anything about digging a hole to China? That's a ridiculous conclusion. I am talking about talking, on the phone, to someone in China.

Right. That would be ridiculous. I agree.

Someone you trust. If you live on the east coast, try calling a friend in California about 10pm and you find out the sun is out and is still shining there. And who said anything about you making a wrong turn at Albuquerque? If you don't have a friend in China you can trust, then call a friend in Europe you can trust. At 4pm Eastern Time call someone in Germany and ask them if the sun has set. Heck, you could do it with Iphone Face Time. it may be fun to give it a try.

I have. I'm on the West Coast of the US, I have family and friends who live in other parts of the country. And who live other places in the world. I understand how time zones work, I understand how day and night happen.

I don't need to prove to myself that I live on a globe, because I already know that I live on a globe. It's obvious that the earth is a globe. The only people who reject objective reality are flat earthers who live in a delusion of their own making.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jipsah]

When I'm driving on the highway I observe that the mountains and trees are moving. Therefore, the mountains and the trees are moving.

-CryptoLutheran

It gets worse. I've noted since childhood that the moon always follows any car in which I'm riding. Does this support Jipsah-centric view of the universe?

 

[Hans Blaster]

It gets worse. I've noted since childhood that the moon always follows any car in which I'm riding. Does this support Jipsah-centric view of the universe?

This reminds me of David Letterman's description of the plot of "Twister" (a film about storm chasers in Oklahoma with a recent sequel "Twisters"). It went something like this: "It is a film about these people who get followed by a tornado. Everywhere they go it comes for them."

 

[Jipsah]

Maybe if you had a friend in China you could trust, have him call you when the sun is overhead at 12pm his time and see if the sun is up where you live.

Done done it, with kinfolk in both Denmark. Korea, and California, as well as mates in England (Come On You Lions!) The time zones appear to be plotted about right, seven hours between here (Nashville) and Aarhus, 14 hours between here and Inchon, 2 hours difference between here and Torrance, and 5 twixt here and Greenwich. Amazing coincidence, innit? Doesn't really hold up well between here and Atlanta, you can buy gas in Jasper TN at 3pm, drive for 15 minutes to Chattanooga a it's now a 4:15. Gotta draw the lines somewhere...

 

[Jipsah]

This reminds me of David Letterman's description of the plot of "Twister" (a film about storm chasers in Oklahoma with a recent sequel "Twisters". It went something like this: "It is a film about these people who get followed by a tornado. Everywhere they go it comes for them."

Had a white relative (Cousin A ) who had that happen. Lived just outside Hartsville,TN. "It came up a cloud" as they say in rural Tennessee, so he headed to the house to avoid the expected downpour. He heard the dreaded "freight train" sound, and saw a full-grown tornado headed towards both the barn and his house. He ran out, jumped into his car, and drove to our mutual cousin's (Cousin B) house, where he had just enough time to tell Cousin B about his narrow escape when they both heard the infamous freight train, and saw what was presumably the same tornado headed their way.

The good news was that it veered off and wandered off through woods and farmland and didn't do anyone any substantial damage after that, and it had missed both houses. The bad news was it did tear apart Cousin A's barn. No livestock injured, though).

Cousin A did suffer endless abuse after the fact, mostly concerning his attracting tornadoes, which would follow him around, and his possession of a specially equipped tornado car designed to outrun any twister. My English mates believe they're the masters at "taking the... micky", but your average Tennessee redneck loves the game as much as any Saff Londoner does,.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Had a white relative (Cousin A ) who had that happen. Lived just outside Hartsville,TN. "It came up a cloud" as they say in rural Tennessee, so he headed to the house to avoid the expected downpour. He heard the dreaded "freight train" sound, and saw a full-grown tornado headed towards both the barn and his house. He ran out, jumped into his car, and drove to our mutual cousin's (Cousin B) house, where he had just enough time to tell Cousin B about his narrow escape when they both heard the infamous freight train, and saw what was presumably the same tornado headed their way.

The good news was that it veered off and wandered off through woods and farmland and didn't do anyone any substantial damage after that, and it had missed both houses. The bad news was it did tear apart Cousin A's barn. No livestock injured, though).

Cousin A did suffer endless abuse after the fact, mostly concerning his attracting tornadoes, which would follow him around, and his possession of a specially equipped tornado car designed to outrun any twister. My English mates believe they're the masters at "taking the... micky", but your average Tennessee redneck loves the game as much as any Saff Londoner does,.

That's quite the story. I was worried about going off topic, but this is a flat earth thread. (Not sure if the flat earth has tornadoes...)

I've not seen one myself, but I (or relatives) have come close a few times. When I was a kid there was a big tornado outbreak that included several large twisters including a big F5 that killed several people in a town about an hour from us. I don't remember hearing anything about tornadoes until the next morning, so I don't think that we went to the basement that night. A few years ago (so a few decades after the fact), I came across a detailed description of that outbreak, among the tornadoes were a couple of small ones (F1 or F2) that were within a couple miles of our house.

About 15 years later, I was living in one of my first apartments in another state and a big outbreak came through. There was a huge supercell that went just west of us passing within 10 miles with a long F5 in it. We could see the cloud, but it was so low around the funnel that it definitely couldn't' be seen. Big damage and multiple fatalities.

Around 10 years ago a small cluster of tornadoes passed by my parents house, there was minimal damage, but one person was killed when a tornado lifted up their house briefly. I mapped the the damage reports and realized that at least two tornadoes had struck in their rural neighborhood and the tracks of those tornadoes passed about 1 mile from their house on each side. (Yikes!)

The final one happened when my Dad was a kid to his older cousin Harold. Cousin Harold was driving a slow farm truck laden with goods towards town when a fast moving storm showed up in his rear mirror. Harold went into a deep valley and the storm passed over him (he may have paused briefly to shelter, I am not sure). I don't know if he saw the funnel or not, but when he crossed over the next hill above the town, the tornado had just destroyed it leaving many dead.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Who said anything about digging a hole to China? That's a ridiculous conclusion. I am talking about talking, on the phone, to someone in China. Someone you trust. If you live on the east coast, try calling a friend in California about 10pm and you find out the sun is out and is still shining there.

Do this literally every few days with work - me in Australia, people in the US, Europe, India and various parts of Asia. Everyone on different timezones. Trying to swing my regular call with two people - one in the US and one in Spain is always fun.

 

[Jipsah]

Do this literally every few days with work - me in Australia, people in the US, Europe, India and various parts of Asia. Everyone on different timezones. Trying to swing my regular call with two people - one in the US and one in Spain is always fun.

Oh yeah. I used to have a school system in Aukland NZ that had our voice suystems. The standard joke was when we sent them an e-mail it took 23 hours to get there. but theirs got to us the day before they sent them.

 

[Apple Sky]

The earth is level.

King James Bible
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? John 3:12

 

[prodromos]

The earth is level.

Well duh
We've explained multiple times that "level" is equidistant from the centre of the Earth

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well duh
We've explained multiple times that "level" is equidistant from the centre of the Earth

Or to be really precise: Normal to the surfaces of equal effective gravitational potential. (The effective potential includes the effects of rotation.)

 

[Apple Sky]

Well duh
We've explained multiple times that "level" is equidistant from the centre of the Earth

OK flat then, there's no way the earth is orbiting the sun, the sun crosses the sky daily. And there's no way the stars are 25,300, 000,000,000 away, this is absolutely obsurd