C 15 Nutrient Deficiency

[Laodicean60]

A 2012 study found that C15 nutrient deficiency could drive metabolic syndrome. This Navy researcher found dolphins with metabolic syndrome were deficient in 15 carbon chain fatty acids. Because of the lack of C15 in the diet, the cell membranes aren't resilient and cells die prematurely. It is one of the reasons that kids are having the same diseases that older adults used to get.

 

[FireDragon76]

The research is still relatively new and there are alot of potential conflicts of interest. Also, pentadecanoic acid can be synthesized by gut bacteria, just like other fatty acids:

Pentadecanoic and Heptadecanoic Acids: Multifaceted Odd-Chain Fatty Acids - PMC

The odd-chain fatty acids (OCFAs) pentadecanoic acid (15:0) and heptadecanoic acid (17:0), which account for only a small proportion of total saturated fatty acids in milk fat and ruminant meat, are accepted biomarkers of dairy fat intake. However, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Lost4words]

I get everything i need from a marrow bone..

 

[Laodicean60]

The research is still relatively new and there are alot of potential conflicts of interest. Also, pentadecanoic acid can be synthesized by gut bacteria, just like other fatty acids:

Pentadecanoic and Heptadecanoic Acids: Multifaceted Odd-Chain Fatty Acids - PMC

The odd-chain fatty acids (OCFAs) pentadecanoic acid (15:0) and heptadecanoic acid (17:0), which account for only a small proportion of total saturated fatty acids in milk fat and ruminant meat, are accepted biomarkers of dairy fat intake. However, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I agree that 2012 is still new I just have to wait and see and I'm glad the research is being performed around the world. Surprises me about Dolfin's physiology and our own. We get C15 in a variety of foods and I'm not sure why people are deficient even though I read that the homogenization process with milk affects C15. I pray this is a key because I've wondered why the health problem increasing most of my life. Maybe from my trauma from watching diabetes eat my dad alive.

 

[Larniavc]

I get everything i need from a marrow bone..

Funny you say that. I used to hang around with some corgis in my younger days. One of them was a dogietician and told me that dogs need a balanced diet including vitamins and minerals that cannot be found in meat alone.

 

[Laodicean60]

Funny you say that. I used to hang around with some corgis in my younger days. One of them was a dogietician and told me that dogs need a balanced diet including vitamins and minerals that cannot be found in meat alone.

Maybe that's why they eat grass.

 

[Laodicean60]

I get everything i need from a marrow bone..

I love that stuff, where do you get your fiber?

 

[Lost4words]

I love that stuff, where do you get your fiber?

Licking tree bark!

 

[timewerx]

A 2012 study found that C15 nutrient deficiency could drive metabolic syndrome. This Navy researcher found dolphins with metabolic syndrome were deficient in 15 carbon chain fatty acids. Because of the lack of C15 in the diet, the cell membranes aren't resilient and cells die prematurely. It is one of the reasons that kids are having the same diseases that older adults used to get.

The claimed metabolic effect (Especially those concerning longevity and anti-aging) of C15 is also duplicated by fasting (including intermittent fasting) and exercise.

Also that C15 only exist in trace amounts in natural food sources to conclude it's even needed by the body.

Concerns about the use of 15:0, 17:0, and trans-16:1n–7 as biomarkers of dairy fat intake in recent observational studies that suggest beneficial effects of dairy food on incidence of diabetes and stroke - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It would be better to exercise instead because exercise not only helps lose fat but also strengthens bones, muscles, the heart, and even the brain.

It's funny how fasting is often overlooked despite its miraculous effect on health. You can't make money on fasting obviously. There's nothing to sell when the requirement is not to eat!

 

[trophy33]

I love that stuff, where do you get your fiber?

Fiber can actually cause or add to your "health problems increasing the whole life". Many people have problems with fiber.

 

[timewerx]

Fiber can actually cause or add to your "health problems increasing the whole life".

I tried searching for keywords "dietary fiber is bad for you"

The majority of the results say fiber is good. Less common results say only synthesized fiber is bad. And the rest say fiber is only bad if taken in excessive amount.

Some of the NCBI reviews I came across are later than the year 2020 so even state-of-the-art review still the say the same thing about fiber, better than nothing but can be bad in high quantities.

Many people have problems with fiber.

I found articles that did say that but the problems only manifest with excessive fiber intake or with high fiber diet.

We need to view this matter in the right context.

It seems the vast majority of experts agree between a zero-fiber diet and low or medium fiber diet, the latter will be better for most people.

Personally, I'm not on a high fiber diet. I'm somewhere between a low and medium fiber diet. I only eat fiber-rich foods that I enjoy eating like corn, coconut, cocoa, and peas but only in small quantities. Absolutely no problems with it. Gut health is tip top.

 

[trophy33]

I tried searching for keywords "dietary fiber is bad for you"

The majority of the results say fiber is good. Less common results say only synthesized fiber is bad. And the rest say fiber is only bad if taken in excessive amount.

Some of the NCBI reviews I came across are later than the year 2020 so even state-of-the-art review still the say the same thing about fiber, better than nothing but can be bad in high quantities.


I found articles that did say that but the problems only manifest with excessive fiber intake or with high fiber diet.

We need to view this matter in the right context.

It seems the vast majority of experts agree between a zero-fiber diet and low or medium fiber diet, the latter will be better for most people.

Personally, I'm not on a high fiber diet. I'm somewhere between a low and medium fiber diet. I only eat fiber-rich foods that I enjoy eating like corn, coconut, cocoa, and peas but only in small quantities.

Check for example Jordan Peterson or his daughter Mikhaila Peterson. Search for IBS and similar, you will find many other examples. I have also problem with fiber, even in small amounts.

 

[FireDragon76]

Fiber can actually cause or add to your "health problems increasing the whole life". Many people have problems with fiber.

There isn't evidence to justify the claim that many people have problems with fiber.

A few people with certain health conditions might have problems with insoluble fiber, but in general fiber has many health benefits. Usually soluble fiber is much better tolerated and it has alot of positive health effects.

 

[timewerx]

Search for IBS and similar, you will find many other examples.

I just did but again, this needs to be taken in the right context.

Not all dietary fibers are the same. Some fibers can worsen symptoms of IBS while some reduces symptoms of IBS and even recommended by experts to those with IBS not just for alleviating IBS symptoms but for overall health benefits.

Dietary fiber in irritable bowel syndrome (Review) - PMC

Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) is a common chronic gastrointestinal disorder. It is widely believed that IBS is caused by a deficient intake of dietary fiber, and most physicians recommend that patients with IBS increase their intake of dietary ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I have also problem with fiber, even in small amounts.

True, but your problem with fiber isn't representative of everyone else in the world.

Check for example Jordan Peterson or his daughter Mikhaila Peterson.

There are better options to eliminate chronic health problems than defaulting to carnivore diet.

 

[trophy33]

I just did but again, this needs to be taken in the right context.

Not all dietary fibers are the same. Some fibers can worsen symptoms of IBS while some reduces symptoms of IBS and even recommended by experts to those with IBS not just for alleviating IBS symptoms but for overall health benefits.

Dietary fiber in irritable bowel syndrome (Review) - PMC

Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) is a common chronic gastrointestinal disorder. It is widely believed that IBS is caused by a deficient intake of dietary fiber, and most physicians recommend that patients with IBS increase their intake of dietary ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

True, but your problem with fiber isn't representative of everyone else in the world.


There are better options to eliminate chronic health problems than defaulting to carnivore diet.

If someones health is constantly deteriorating, I would recommend a total elimination diet, for example just beef for a month or so, to heal properly. And then potentially reintroducing some other things (which cannot be even called food, frequently), if the person wants, one at a time. Its very hard to isolate the things that are problematic in any other way.

 

[trophy33]

There isn't evidence to justify the claim that many people have problems with fiber.

There is no evidence that "many people" have problem with fiber nor that they dont, because there was no such study. The explosion of people having various gut problems for which the cause is "unknown", but these problems go away when not eating plant "foods", points to a specific direction, though.

However, one will have certainty only when he will personally try it. Our life is long enough to try various experiments for few months and see what makes us healthy.

 

[trophy33]

Not all dietary fibers are the same. Some fibers can worsen symptoms of IBS while some reduces symptoms of IBS and even recommended by experts to those with IBS not just for alleviating IBS symptoms but for overall health benefits.

Its quite logical that the hard, insoluble fiber, like in seeds, grains or cereals, will do the most damage to intestines. I am not sure though how you want to eat natural whole foods with only a specific kind of fiber in it. If you are talking about supplements, its not natural at all.

True, but your problem with fiber isn't representative of everyone else in the world.

I never claimed it is. I only said to a specific person in this thread to try to eliminate it and to see if it helps. And just because he mentioned it. You do not need to follow me like a white knight of the standard nutrition guidelines and fight for them whenever I recommend to try something different.

 

[Laodicean60]

The claimed metabolic effect (Especially those concerning longevity and anti-aging) of C15 is also duplicated by fasting (including intermittent fasting) and exercise.

Also that C15 only exist in trace amounts in natural food sources to conclude it's even needed by the body.

Concerns about the use of 15:0, 17:0, and trans-16:1n–7 as biomarkers of dairy fat intake in recent observational studies that suggest beneficial effects of dairy food on incidence of diabetes and stroke - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It would be better to exercise instead because exercise not only helps lose fat but also strengthens bones, muscles, the heart, and even the brain.

It's funny how fasting is often overlooked despite its miraculous effect on health. You can't make money on fasting obviously. There's nothing to sell when the requirement is not to eat!

Did you watch the video?

 

[timewerx]

There is no evidence that "many people" have problem with fiber nor that they dont, because there was no such study. The explosion of people having various gut problems for which the cause is "unknown", but these problems go away when not eating plant "foods", points to a specific direction, though.

I used to have serious problems consuming certain plant foods like tomato, avocado, and chocolate.

Not eating those plants was the initial solution.

But when I took on a lifestyle of "dry" intermittent fasting in combination with exercise and calorie restriction, I was able to eat those plant foods again without any problems. These lifestyle practices are not only backed by peer-reviewed scientific studies but also a favored practice in Christianity.

The carnivore diet isn't feasible for everyone even if it is healthy and there are far more sustainable alternatives to the same goals a carnivore diet is trying to achieve and actually achieve it.

 

[timewerx]

Did you watch the video?

I did and I also looked up C15 for peer-reviewed studies saying it only existed in trace amounts in dairy to even matter in nutrition.

The only peer reviewed study claiming that C15 is essential for health is one that is funded by a company promoting C15

It's hard to trust the YT video when there are conflicting unbiased studies and my diet of many years have always been rich in full fat dairy which apparently is the natural food source of C15 did not improve my health at all until I started exercising and then doing intermittent fasting and calorie restriction.