Ukraine Is Out Of Soldiers And Desperate, Outnumbered 10/1 By Russian Soldiers, Ukraine Is Grabbing Citizens Off The Streets Against Their Will?

[ValeriyK2022]

Stopping the war simply means Russia marching in and taking the country. It is not an option until both parties agree and a reasonable compromise can be found. This will probably include an acceptance of the loss of Crimea and Donbas by Ukraine and an acceptance by Russia that the rest of Ukraine can join the EU and NATO.

A compromise is, of course, needed for a long-term truce. By the way, Moscow has not yet signed a peace treaty with Japan since 1945 (only an armistice treaty). And there has been no war between them for almost 80 years.

As for the disputed territories, Ukraine cannot, in accordance with its Constitution, renounce them. But Ukraine and its allies can seek their return through diplomatic and economic means. Military action is not necessary for this. Better 10 years of a cold war than a hot one.

And here is the Constitution again: in 2019, amendments were made to it, according to which Ukraine is taking a course towards joining the EU and NATO. In order to make amendments on Ukraine's neutral status instead, martial law must be lifted. According to the Constitution of Ukraine, it is prohibited to make changes to the Constitution of Ukraine during martial law.

Switzerland is not a member of NATO or the EU and feels comfortable without them. Japan too. It is not worth human lives. Jesus Christ said that the human soul is more precious than all created things. Human life should not be devalued like that, it is already Satanism

 

[mindlight]

A compromise is, of course, needed for a long-term truce. By the way, Moscow has not yet signed a peace treaty with Japan since 1945 (only an armistice treaty). And there has been no war between them for almost 80 years.

As for the disputed territories, Ukraine cannot, in accordance with its Constitution, renounce them. But Ukraine and its allies can seek their return through diplomatic and economic means. Military action is not necessary for this. Better 10 years of a cold war than a hot one.

And here is the Constitution again: in 2019, amendments were made to it, according to which Ukraine is taking a course towards joining the EU and NATO. In order to make amendments on Ukraine's neutral status instead, martial law must be lifted. According to the Constitution of Ukraine, it is prohibited to make changes to the Constitution of Ukraine during martial law.

Switzerland is not a member of NATO or the EU and feels comfortable without them. Japan too. It is not worth human lives. Jesus Christ said that the human soul is more precious than all created things. Human life should not be devalued like that, it is already Satanism

A ceasefire would at least stop the killing but neither side appears willing to compromise on the more fundamental issues - dividing the land and Ukraine's bid for NATO membership. Until there is peace I am not sure Ukraine would be allowed into NATO by NATO. The biggest reason for Russia to stop this war is the demographic disaster that it has created with the loss of so many young men. The longer this war goes on the deeper that crisis gets. Ukraine cannot rebuild until it has secure borders and the EU and NATO are crucial to both that rebuild and the security moving forward. But, as with Japan, Russia may not declare peace at all and so the drama goes on forever like an open wound bleeding both countries dry.

 

[nhaas11]

When you quote a tabloid instead of a real news source. Its either a joke or you dont know your news. This tabloid article is based off of reducing conscription age from 27 to 25. (in the USA its 18???, I forget) Here is a Link via Ryan McBeth - He knows what he is talking about. This will help you

 

[Hans Blaster]

When you quote a tabloid instead of a real news source. Its either a joke or you dont know your news.

The OP is from ABC News. Not a tabloid.

This tabloid article is based off of reducing conscription age from 27 to 25. (in the USA its 18???, I forget) Here is a Link via Ryan McBeth - He knows what he is talking about.

Who?

 

[Truth7t7]

acceptance by Russia that the rest of Ukraine can join the EU and NATO.

Putin will never let that happen, Ukraine not joining NATO is his #1 priority for peace agreements

 

[ValeriyK2022]

A ceasefire would at least stop the killing but neither side appears willing to compromise on the more fundamental issues - dividing the land and Ukraine's bid for NATO membership. Until there is peace I am not sure Ukraine would be allowed into NATO by NATO. The biggest reason for Russia to stop this war is the demographic disaster that it has created with the loss of so many young men. The longer this war goes on the deeper that crisis gets. Ukraine cannot rebuild until it has secure borders and the EU and NATO are crucial to both that rebuild and the security moving forward. But, as with Japan, Russia may not declare peace at all and so the drama goes on forever like an open wound bleeding both countries dry.

Regarding the demographic catastrophe. There were 100 million more people in Russia at the beginning of the war. Now (after the loss of territory with people, deaths and migration) there are almost 120 million more people in Russia! If the war does not end immediately, there will be no Ukrainians. To support the economy, it will be necessary to bring in so many migrants from the poor countries of the East that in 1-2 generations there will be more of them than the natives!

As for Japan, I don't think they see it as a bleeding wound. We would switch places with the Japanese if we could.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

When you quote a tabloid instead of a real news source. Its either a joke or you dont know your news. This tabloid article is based off of reducing conscription age from 27 to 25. (in the USA its 18???, I forget) Here is a Link via Ryan McBeth - He knows what he is talking about. This will help you

Are you personally ready to sacrifice your life to overthrow Putin?

Most Ukrainians do not want to pay such a high price.

If you are ready, then why are you not in Ukraine yet?

 

[mindlight]

Putin will never let that happen, Ukraine not joining NATO is his #1 priority for peace agreements

The only way that Ukraine is going to concede land is if it knows that Russia cannot simply do another land grab in a few years. NATO membership would guarantee that.

 

[mindlight]

Regarding the demographic catastrophe. There were 100 million more people in Russia at the beginning of the war. Now (after the loss of territory with people, deaths and migration) there are almost 120 million more people in Russia! If the war does not end immediately, there will be no Ukrainians. To support the economy, it will be necessary to bring in so many migrants from the poor countries of the East that in 1-2 generations there will be more of them than the natives!

As for Japan, I don't think they see it as a bleeding wound. We would switch places with the Japanese if we could.

Russia's population has been declining since the mid-nineties. That rate accelerated during the war with almost 1,5 million lost since then. This is Russia's biggest weakness. It does not have enough people to fill the space it has.

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Ukraine has a similar demographic crisis with some 6 million people living abroad and 8 million displaced within Ukraine. Its fertility rate like that of Russia is an absolute disaster.

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[ValeriyK2022]

The only way that Ukraine is going to concede land is if it knows that Russia cannot simply do another land grab in a few years. NATO membership would guarantee that.

For Ukraine to join NATO, it is necessary: 1) the consent of all NATO members; 2) the absence of a conflict with Russia. There will be no conflict with Russia on this issue only if the entire ruling elite in Russia changes. This already happened during the Cold War.

But during a hot war, this is impossible: 1) in case of danger to itself, the Russian government introduces martial law and prohibits people from gathering, rallying and criticizing the government; 2) it is impossible to defeat Russia militarily (it has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world).

Thus, NATO will be for Ukraine like a carrot for a donkey, which it will never reach.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Russia's population has been declining since the mid-nineties. That rate accelerated during the war with almost 1,5 million lost since then. This is Russia's biggest weakness. It does not have enough people to fill the space it has.

Russia Population (2025) - Worldometer

Population of Russia: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

Ukraine has a similar demographic crisis with some 6 million people living abroad and 8 million displaced within Ukraine. Its fertility rate like that of Russia is an absolute disaster.

Ukraine Population (2025) - Worldometer

Population of Ukraine: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

Population of Ukraine:
in 1991 - 52 million people;
in 2022 - 42 million people;
in 2024 - 22 million people.
As for those who left the country, the longer the war goes on (the more they assimilate, their children go to foreign schools, the less their parents want the fate of Ukrainian residents for their children) the smaller the percentage of them will return.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

For Russia, 1.5 million is about 1% of the population. And at this rate, there won't be any Ukrainians in a few years.

Moreover, the goals that are set will not be achieved.

During hot wars, the Russian leadership has been approaching totalitarianism for the last 100 years and has only strengthened its power.

It is necessary to move the confrontation from hot to cold: diplomatic, political and economic.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

The best option for Ukraine, given the current situation and the country’s long-term interests, is the following strategies:

Diplomatic solution to the conflict: The best option is to achieve a diplomatic solution to the conflict. Negotiations, mediation by international organizations, and the creation of conditions for peaceful coexistence can help avoid further destruction and losses.

Strengthening defense capabilities: In a situation where the threat from Russia remains, it is important to focus on strengthening its own armed forces and defense infrastructure. This includes modernizing the army, improving intelligence and cybersecurity, and cooperating with international allies.

International support: Strengthening international support from the EU, NATO, and other partners. This may include economic, military, and political assistance. It is also important to actively work to strengthen sanctions against the aggressor and hold accountable for violations of international law.

Economic recovery: Internal stability and economic development are important components of success. Ukraine must work to restore and develop its economy in order to have a sustainable basis for addressing internal and external challenges.

Social cohesion: Internal consolidation, support for national unity and protection of the rights of all citizens, including linguistic, religious and cultural minorities, will help avoid internal conflicts and strengthen statehood.

These measures can help Ukraine strengthen its position in the international arena, increase security and create conditions for peaceful and stable development.

The United States can have win from support for Ukraine in the following key areas:

Asserting the international order: Supporting Ukraine allows the United States to demonstrate its commitment to the spread of law and religious principles. It views its leadership as a global leader who resists aggression and defends the country's sovereignty.

Containing Russia: Supporting Ukraine ensures that is protected, strongens its social security. It also signals to other countries that the United States is ready to support allies and partners in the event of aggression from major powers.

Strengthening NATO and transatlantic ties: Active support from NATO leaders and transatlantic unity. The United States demonstrates to its allies that it is ready to support the security region, that it relies on the credibility of the Alliance and promotes closer cooperation.

Economic interests: Supporting Ukraine can also bring economic benefits to the United States. Rebuilding Ukraine and integrating it into European and global markets can open up new opportunities for American companies and stop their decline.

Democratic Stability: Assistance to international democratic institutions and human rights in countries. This is important for the United States because stable and democratic countries have less developed conflicts and are more accessible in international relations.

Strengthening Geopolitical Society: Maintaining Ukraine's independence and sovereignty limits Russian influence in Eastern Europe and the Black Sea region, which is important for the United States in terms of considering geopolitical strategy.

Thus, the United States benefits both in terms of building its global position and in economic and geopolitical aspects by supporting Ukraine and helping it defend itself from aggression in a non-military way.

 

[Truth7t7]

The only way that Ukraine is going to concede land is if it knows that Russia cannot simply do another land grab in a few years. NATO membership would guarantee that.

Russia isn't going to allow NATO membership for Ukraine, it's a #1 priority with Putin, he has voice this a hundred times over the past year

Putin will take the whole country of Ukraine before that happens, at this time Russia has too much invested, it will be Russias demands at negotiations or nothing, its that simple

 

[Gene2memE]

It is now Day 16 of Ukraine's counter-attack into Russia. At the moment about 1400 sqkm and 100 settlements are in Ukrainian hands.

It looks like one of main objectives now is to advance west and cut off a number of Russian troops stationed between the south bank of the Seym River and the Ukrainian border. Estimates are between 600 and 3000 Russian personnel are in the area - mostly light forces and border guards. If Ukraine can advance to the Seym River and hold it, it then gets the double benefit of natural barrier to support its defenses and a shorter overall line to defend. When/if Ukraine pulls back from the rest of Kursk, this would potentiall cut 50 km or more off the line it needs to defend (freeing up manpower elsewhere).

Open source intelligence has now confirmed the capture of at least 500 Russian personnel since the counter-attack began. Western media are reporting 150+ captured on some days. Ukrainian sources are reporting figures in the 2,000 to 3,000 captured range so far, with several additional detachments captured in the last 24 hours.

Advances in Kursk are relatively more expensive for Ukraine in terms of materiele. Tanks, APCs and other vehicles are being lost at higher rates than in defensive operations. However, it also appears to be less expensive in terms of manpower. Russian forces still appear to be struggling to assemble substantial artillery support, which has been the main cause of casualties for Ukrainian forces in other areas.

The Kursk advance has also caused Russia to redeploy some numbers of troops (estimates vary substantially) and dedicate most of its tactical airpower. Airstrikes in other regions are down 90%.

Most interestingly, the messaging out of the Kremlin appears to have changed again. It had already switched from "Ukrainian raid has been defeated", to "Our forces are beating back Ukrainian attacks". Now it seems to have transitioneds to "We have to let Ukraine take part of Kursk, in order to keep attacking elsewhere".

 

[ValeriyK2022]

It is now Day 16 of Ukraine's counter-attack into Russia. At the moment about 1400 sqkm and 100 settlements are in Ukrainian hands.

It looks like one of main objectives now is to advance west and cut off a number of Russian troops stationed between the south bank of the Seym River and the Ukrainian border. Estimates are between 600 and 3000 Russian personnel are in the area - mostly light forces and border guards. If Ukraine can advance to the Seym River and hold it, it then gets the double benefit of natural barrier to support its defenses and a shorter overall line to defend. When/if Ukraine pulls back from the rest of Kursk, this would potentiall cut 50 km or more off the line it needs to defend (freeing up manpower elsewhere).

Open source intelligence has now confirmed the capture of at least 500 Russian personnel since the counter-attack began. Western media are reporting 150+ captured on some days. Ukrainian sources are reporting figures in the 2,000 to 3,000 captured range so far, with several additional detachments captured in the last 24 hours.

Advances in Kursk are relatively more expensive for Ukraine in terms of materiele. Tanks, APCs and other vehicles are being lost at higher rates than in defensive operations. However, it also appears to be less expensive in terms of manpower. Russian forces still appear to be struggling to assemble substantial artillery support, which has been the main cause of casualties for Ukrainian forces in other areas.

The Kursk advance has also caused Russia to redeploy some numbers of troops (estimates vary substantially) and dedicate most of its tactical airpower. Airstrikes in other regions are down 90%.

Most interestingly, the messaging out of the Kremlin appears to have changed again. It had already switched from "Ukrainian raid has been defeated", to "Our forces are beating back Ukrainian attacks". Now it seems to have transitioneds to "We have to let Ukraine take part of Kursk, in order to keep attacking elsewhere".

The losses of soldiers are smaller while they move quickly in small mobile groups. But as soon as they dig in permanently and artillery and aviation start to hit them, the losses will be of the same size. The salvation for the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine here is to constantly move, not to stop anywhere for a long time.

 

[Larniavc]

Why did Ukrainians and Russians forgive the Germans for everything that happened before 1945, but they remind Russians of 1933?

The Germans changed their ways. Russia has be the regional threat for all of living memory. It tries to gobble up smaller nations whenever it can.

When has this not been the case.

 

[Larniavc]

Otherwise, we can end up fighting until World War III. Is this what you need or what we need?

This doesn’t seem to be the case. Ukrainian forces march within Russia’s borders and we are no closer to nuclear war than before.

The Bear that was Russia is a toothless, malnourished, skeletally thin shadow of it’s former self.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

The Germans changed their ways. Russia has be the regional threat for all of living memory. It tries to gobble up smaller nations whenever it can.

When has this not been the case.

The Germans tried to absorb smaller countries throughout their history up until 1945.

Russia has not annexed anyone since 1945.

In 1991, Russia gave up many territories (I think so as not to share with them the income from the sale of gas and oil). And only since 2002-2008, it again began to behave ambiguously, claiming that it alone defeated Hitler and the like.

Conclusion: it is unfair to read history for the Germans only from 1945, and for Russia from the 18th century. I think it would be correct to analyze everything from the moment of the collapse of the USSR +/- a few years.

Some political scientists say that the Russian leadership is being disingenuous when they say that they need new territories, but in reality they need a pretext to stay in power and maintain control over Russian resources, but they cannot tell their people this, so they talk about seizing the original territories that they themselves voluntarily gave up in 1991. This is also indicated by the fact that they are doing nothing with the seized territories: Donetsk, Lugansk and other cities under Russian control have deteriorated greatly since 2014, nothing is being invested there, Russia is showing that it does not really need this. The Kremlin needs to retain power, and territories are a pretext.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

This doesn’t seem to be the case. Ukrainian forces march within Russia’s borders and we are no closer to nuclear war than before.

The Bear that was Russia is a toothless, malnourished, skeletally thin shadow of it’s former self.

You are wrong. I closely follow the life of the residents of Ukraine from Russia. Ukrainians are experiencing almost the same difficulties as during the First and Second World Wars. While the residents of Russia (except for the residents of the Kursk region) have not yet even felt that Russia is fighting. In the Kursk region, Ukraine captured deserted uninhabited places, where there are more Ukrainian soldiers than local population. The only thing that can save the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from destruction there is constant movement and maneuvering in small groups. Russia is such a huge dragon that you have to pull its tail for a long time to make it turn its head and look. But when this dragon starts fighting, then there will be a sea of blood.

Our people, Ukrainians, are fighting Russia. And they can confirm my words that Russia should not be underestimated.

Problems of the population of Russia: prices for this or that have risen.
Problems of the population of Ukraine: there is not a single person who has not lost a relative, or a friend, or a good acquaintance. The President is already demanding the deportation of Ukrainians from abroad so that there will be replenishment for the army.