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Ukraine Is Out Of Soldiers And Desperate, Outnumbered 10/1 By Russian Soldiers, Ukraine Is Grabbing Citizens Off The Streets Against Their Will?

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I was discussing the relative quality of Russian weapons with a Kremlin propagandist.
It was like this: You are betting on who will win a gladiator fight. And among the gladiators are our loved ones and we want this fight to stop. We don't need your bets or a Russian propagandists bets, we need an end to the bloodshed.
I know of no method from Jesus on how to evaluate the properties of nuclear weapons, and even if there was, I am under no obligation to use it.
Jesus Christ said: "Whoever is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). Therefore, by not obeying Jesus, you obey the devil. This is not possible. There is no middle ground: either God or the devil. We must decide. Jesus will judge our deeds. And his enemy (the devil) only deceives and tempts.
There are Christians who want you dead or subjugated, I do not.
People who think like that are not really Christians. No matter what they call themselves. But Christ said, "Son, give me your heart." and "Whatever you want others people do to you, do you also to them." They themselves do not want to be gladiators on the stage. They certainly do not want to be captured or killed. So, if they wish this for others, are they Christians?
I have no power to take or spare the lives of Ukrainians.
No one has such power except God. But God is watching people's reactions. This is a test not only for Ukrainians and Russians. This is a test for those who are watching this. God is waiting for a critical mass of caring people to appear on the planet who will wholeheartedly wish for this to stop.
I know of several claims about the path to salvation or damnation, but I am unaware of a theology that provides damnation to those killed in war.
And I don't know the words of Jesus Christ that those who died in war will definitely go to heaven. In any case, this is an untimely death and this is a tragedy. For the relatives of the deceased Ukrainians, this is the same tragedy as September 11, 2001 was for the relatives of the deceased Americans. And this does not stop evan now. And you and the Russian propagandist are betting on such a tragedes. It is very painful for ordinary Ukrainians to read that we are treated not as people, but as gladiators.
I am not on the side of your devil or your god. I don't believe in either of them. What either is claimed to want or not is irrelevant to me.
You are making a huge mistake. The biggest mistake of your life!
 
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Before fighting Russia, Ukraine’s president danced shirtless in high heels on TV​

Before becoming president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky was a member of a comedy troupe that wanted to make the world "a kinder and more joyful place."
By Daniel Villarreal Saturday, March 5, 2022 · Updated on March 28, 2023
Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, high heels, Single Ladies, dance


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and three others in a comedic dance videoPhoto: YouTube screenshot
Same-sex marriages are banned in Ukraine. LGBT propaganda is not banned, unfortunately. But most of the population does not like it. In the elections, people voted for peace, against brutal mobilization, against the ban on the Russian language and against the oppression of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. That is why Zelensky was chosen between Poroshenko and Zelensky.

There are also supporters of this in Israel, but it is prohibited by Israeli law. If an Israeli official breaks his own law, is all of Israel to blame?

The same can be said about the UK. Johnson was at a party during the virus pandemic, which was prohibited by law. He broke the law. You do not bomb the UK because Prime Minister Johnson broke British law.


Ukrainians did not vote for this. Ukrainians did not attach any importance to this and took it as an inappropriate joke.

Ukrainians are so fed up with corruption, brutal mobilization, the whipping up of hatred against everything Russian and the oppression of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that they decided that they could forgive Zelensky such inappropriate jokes so long as he would stop all of this.
 
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It was like this: You are betting on who will win a gladiator fight. And among the gladiators are our loved ones and we want this fight to stop. We don't need your bets or a Russian propagandists bets, we need an end to the bloodshed.
I'm not betting on a gladiator fight. If we want to stick with your analogy space, it would be a "debate" about the relative effectiveness of the gladiator's weapons.
Jesus Christ said: "Whoever is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). Therefore, by not obeying Jesus, you obey the devil. This is not possible. There is no middle ground: either God or the devil. We must decide. Jesus will judge our deeds. And his enemy (the devil) only deceives and tempts.
What part of "I don't care what your god thinks" did you not understand?
People who think like that are not really Christians. No matter what they call themselves. But Christ said, "Son, give me your heart." and "Whatever you want others people do to you, do you also to them." They themselves do not want to be gladiators on the stage. They certainly do not want to be captured or killed. So, if they wish this for others, are they Christians?
How convenient to remove them from your group because you disagree with them. Are there other Ukrainians who wish they could be rid of your opinions on the state of the war?
No one has such power except God. But God is watching people's reactions. This is a test not only for Ukrainians and Russians. This is a test for those who are watching this. God is waiting for a critical mass of caring people to appear on the planet who will wholeheartedly wish for this to stop.
What part of "I don't care what your god thinks" did you not understand?
And I don't know the words of Jesus Christ that those who died in war will definitely go to heaven. In any case, this is an untimely death and this is a tragedy. For the relatives of the deceased Ukrainians, this is the same tragedy as September 11, 2001 was for the relatives of the deceased Americans. And this does not stop evan now. And you and the Russian propagandist are betting on such a tragedes. It is very painful for ordinary Ukrainians to read that we are treated not as people, but as gladiators.
Then why did you think your devil wants the war to go on to collect more "souls"? This makes no sense.
You are making a huge mistake. The biggest mistake of your life!
I once took an extra slice of pie at Thanksgiving dinner. That was a bigger "mistake."
 
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So there are Christians who think the war in Ukraine is about gay marriage.
The "anti-woke" mind virus has really gotten to a lot of people, especially on this site.
 
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So there are Christians who think the war in Ukraine is about gay marriage.
They are wrong. Russia is looking for justifications for war. But Russia is not attacking Brazil and South Africa because of this issue. And does not try to exclude them from the number of its BRICS allies. But in Ukraine, from the time of the war to this day, the Ukrainian constitution does not allow this.
 
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They are wrong. Russia is looking for justifications for war. But Russia is not attacking Brazil and South Africa because of this issue. And does not try to exclude them from the number of its BRICS allies. But in Ukraine, from the time of the war to this day, the Ukrainian constitution does not allow this.
Russia lacks to ability to project force. They couldn't invade Armenia, let alone Brazil.
 
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If they are friends with Brazil, then same-sex marriages, which are allowed there, are not a reason to attack Ukraine.

Especially since same-sex marriages are still not allowed in Ukraine:

CONSTITUTION OF UKRAINE
Article 51. Marriage is based on the free consent of a woman and a man.
 
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You'll never get peace talks based on a porky like that. Ukraine is a breadbasket, producing over 20% of the world's export food grains. That's what Putin wants. He also wants naval superiority in the Black Sea. This year's prize for the lamest attempt to establish naval superiority over a country with no navy goes to... Guess who?
If anything naval forces have been pretty much irrelevant to outcomes in this war. The expense and composition of a Black Sea fleet should be questioned by Russian military planners regardless of the outcome of this war.

Russia has taken some of the best agricultural land and also coal/oil deposits. But as long as the war endures he has no opportunity to develop these. A 30% decline in Ukraine's food production hurts everybody.
 
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Points vaguely at the whole of Western media, professional military observers and the open source intelligence community.


Good summary, supported by sources:

Interesting report:
My takeaways:

The troops available for deployment against the Ukraine attack are less combat-effective and will include conscripts and irregulars. When Ukraine veterans fight such low-quality troops the attrition rate on the Russian side is likely to be significant. The delay in Putin's response allows the development of kill boxes in territory that the Ukrainians have no intent to hold and can play with as they wish.

Russian troops were taken by surprise and the low concentrations of personnel in the area indicate that the Russian command did not believe that Ukraine would attempt this.

The nature of the warfare is far more dynamic than the trench warfare taking place in the Donbas and other southern fronts.
 
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Your claims are "False"

As stated the Russian (FOAB) is the greatest conventional bomb in the world, with a blast yield of 44 tons

Blast yield44 t (97,000 lb) of TNT

The USA (MOAB) has a blast yield of 11 tons TNT

Blast yield11 tons TNT (46 GJ)

This reminds me of Trump's commentary on his crowds i.e. my crowd is bigger than yours. My bomb is bigger than yours...

As others have stated the smart use of nukes does not require a 50 Mgt bomb but rather a bomb that hits its target
 
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Before fighting Russia, Ukraine’s president danced shirtless in high heels on TV​

Before becoming president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky was a member of a comedy troupe that wanted to make the world "a kinder and more joyful place."
By Daniel Villarreal Saturday, March 5, 2022 · Updated on March 28, 2023
Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, high heels, Single Ladies, dance


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and three others in a comedic dance videoPhoto: YouTube screenshot

An unfortunate photo glorifying sinful lifestyles. But freedom must allow decadence as a choice within reason. So long as this does not restrict my freedom of speech and worship nor undermine the fabric of society it is something I tolerate. Many people can look back at the excruciatingly embarrassing phases of their life with some humor. Maybe that is better than shooting them or imprisoning them for past mistakes.
 
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It was like this: You are betting on who will win a gladiator fight. And among the gladiators are our loved ones and we want this fight to stop. We don't need your bets or a Russian propagandists bets, we need an end to the bloodshed.

Jesus Christ said: "Whoever is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). Therefore, by not obeying Jesus, you obey the devil. This is not possible. There is no middle ground: either God or the devil. We must decide. Jesus will judge our deeds. And his enemy (the devil) only deceives and tempts.

People who think like that are not really Christians. No matter what they call themselves. But Christ said, "Son, give me your heart." and "Whatever you want others people do to you, do you also to them." They themselves do not want to be gladiators on the stage. They certainly do not want to be captured or killed. So, if they wish this for others, are they Christians?

No one has such power except God. But God is watching people's reactions. This is a test not only for Ukrainians and Russians. This is a test for those who are watching this. God is waiting for a critical mass of caring people to appear on the planet who will wholeheartedly wish for this to stop.

And I don't know the words of Jesus Christ that those who died in war will definitely go to heaven. In any case, this is an untimely death and this is a tragedy. For the relatives of the deceased Ukrainians, this is the same tragedy as September 11, 2001 was for the relatives of the deceased Americans. And this does not stop evan now. And you and the Russian propagandist are betting on such a tragedes. It is very painful for ordinary Ukrainians to read that we are treated not as people, but as gladiators.

You are making a huge mistake. The biggest mistake of your life!

An end to war should be every Christian prayer and when Christians fight Christians that is not a good witness to faith. But Christian history is not naive to the relationship between force and love. Sometimes force needs to prevail so that love can thrive. Nazism had to be defeated to preserve a Christian Europe. Communism had to be defeated so that faith could be revived in Russia. Iraq and Afghanistan had to be invaded so that Christians trapped there under growing Islamic persecution could flee to other lands.

Without the Spanish, America would probably have been pagan. Without the Russians, vast tracts of Asia would have been the same.

If Russia were truly fighting a war for Christian civilization against an increasingly decadent and compromised West then I might support them but the real reasons are not that are they? This is a violation of sovereignty, a land grab, and an attempt to overthrow a unipolar world order that will only result in greater global instability if allowed to prevail.
 
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Yea until recently the Russians had been so nice to the Ukraine! {/Poe]

Google Holodomor!
It was. But it is not fair to remember it now. I will explain why.

In the late 80s, during the time of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, Russia committed another robbery against Ukraine. In 1989, Russia (Yeltsin) adopted a law on state sovereignty, which placed its laws above the federal laws of the USSR and declared everything on its territory to be its own, all income to be its own. Including all income from the extraction of minerals (oil and gas). As for gas, this was robbery for Ukraine. Ukraine had been investing in this industry in the USSR for decades. Ukraine invested in free gas for Moscow and large cities of Russia. Ukraine invested money and specialists, as well as labor force in the development and extraction of gas in Siberia. In exchange, Ukraine was supposed to receive gas for free for its needs (without the right to export). And so it was until 1989. And then Yeltsin declares that this is only ours. Ukraine appeals to Gorbachev, and he does not interfere. Imagine that the USA invested huge amounts of money in the largest joint-stock company in China, and then China declared that everything built on its territory is now only its own and will not be shared with anyone. As a consolation prize, Ukraine was given the fact that everything built on its territory will only be Ukrainian. But it was still robbery.

The second robbery occurred when, under the guise of reforms and price liberalization, all citizens of the USSR, including all Ukrainians, were deprived of their savings in accounts. At that time, there was only one bank in the entire USSR where the population could keep money - Sberbank of the USSR. And this is what Moscow did. They forbade the population to withdraw money from their accounts. And then they printed so much money that the value of the ruble decreased 1000 times in 1-2 years. People had money saved for their children's education, for buying cars and houses, for a comfortable old age. And Moscow deprived all people of the USSR, including Ukrainians, of this money. And who won? The one who printed the money - Moscow. Of course, it didn't go to ordinary Muscovites, but to the rich people connected with Yeltsin.

Everyone mistakenly thinks that the Afghan war destroyed the USSR. But the Afghan war lasted 9 years and ended in 1988. And this robbery began in 1989 and in 1.5 years it destroyed the USSR. Yeltsin destroyed the USSR with the connivance of Gorbachev. Then they signed agreements on the creation of the CIS and the property of each new state on its territory (late 1991 - early 1992).

Regarding the Holodomor - this is hypocrisy. Why did Ukrainians and Russians forgive the Germans for everything that happened before 1945, but they remind Russians of 1933? In the late 80s, my parents and I were vacationing on the Black Sea coast. There were Russians at the dinner table with us, very nice people. I didn't know about 1933, but my parents knew from their parents. But it never occurred to them to accuse ordinary Russians of Stalin's crimes. They had very nice conversations and were friends back then. In the USSR, it was common to forgive Russians for everything that happened before the 1941-1945 war, where our grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought together against Hitler.

And then, after 2004, they started raising the topic of the Holodomor again, accusing Russians of the crimes of 1933. The media, paid by someone, actively participated in this. Why didn't they remind the Germans of 1941? Because that was their policy: to selectively choose the bad.

Then they remembered the massacre in Western Ukraine on the border with Poland. That was also before 1945. It was already advantageous for Russia, in order to quarrel with Poland.

Then they started making a hero out of the controversial personality of Stepan Bandera. He was a nationalist, wanted good for his people, but used evil terrorist methods of fighting the Poles and Russians. It was a shot in the foot: Ukraine immediately quarreled with Russia and Poland at the same time. And quarreled over events that happened before 1945. But continued to be friends with the Germans, who were forgiven.

That's not fair. If everyone was forgiven before 1945, then everyone should be forgiven.

In Europe, for the last 100-200 years, the French were constantly fighting against the Germans, the Germans against the French, the French against the English, the English sometimes against the French, sometimes against the Germans. Before 1945, Europe was incessant wars. If we start remembering who did what bad before 1945, then this will unleash new wars in Europe or even unleash World War III.

In 1991, Ukraine forgave everything that happened before 1991. And then someone paid off the corrupt journalists and they started: in such a year the Russians offended us, in such a year the Poles, and in such a year someone else. We forgive these, but we don't forgive those. We forgive those who give money now, and those who don't - let's remember all the bad things.

This is a road to nowhere. Ukrainians are not vindictive. But the corrupt journalists wound up the Ukrainians on one side, and the Russians on the other. The Russians repented of Stalin's crimes twice: under Khrushchev and under Gorbachev. But after 2002, they began to explain to the Russians that Stalin was good, and all the neighbors are bad. The Brains of Russians, too, were brainwashed beyond recognition for 24 years.

In Russia, these are journalists paid by the rich like Solovyov, Skabeeva and Simonyan (the most famous of the corrupt journalists who promoted the war with Ukraine). There were some like that in Ukraine too. Selective rancor towards neighboring countries + consigning to oblivion their own crimes and good deeds by neighboring countries. This is paid for by someone.
 
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Nazism had to be defeated to preserve a Christian Europe. Communism had to be defeated so that faith could be revived in Russia.
Unfortunately, the war only leads to both countries (Russia and Ukraine) drifting more and more towards totalitarianism and human rights violations.

In my observations, the cold war led to democracy, and a hot war only pushes both participants towards totalitarianism (Stalin type).

We must stop the hot war and fight Russia only economically. Otherwise, we can end up fighting until World War III. Is this what you need or what we need?
 
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Unfortunately, the war only leads to both countries (Russia and Ukraine) drifting more and more towards totalitarianism and human rights violations.

In my observations, the cold war led to democracy, and a hot war only pushes both participants towards totalitarianism (Stalin type).

We must stop the hot war and fight Russia only economically. Otherwise, we can end up fighting until World War III. Is this what you need or what we need?

Stopping the war simply means Russia marching in and taking the country. It is not an option until both parties agree and a reasonable compromise can be found. This will probably include an acceptance of the loss of Crimea and Donbas by Ukraine and an acceptance by Russia that the rest of Ukraine can join the EU and NATO.
 
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This reminds me of Trump's commentary on his crowds i.e. my crowd is bigger than yours. My bomb is bigger than yours...

As others have stated the smart use of nukes does not require a 50 Mgt bomb but rather a bomb that hits its target
I was talking about "Conventional Weapons" not nukes, your response has given no insight

Once a country launches their nuclear capability, there could possibly be no putting the genie back in the bottle, and the world leaders are very well aware of this
 
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An unfortunate photo glorifying sinful lifestyles. But freedom must allow decadence as a choice within reason. So long as this does not restrict my freedom of speech and worship nor undermine the fabric of society it is something I tolerate. Many people can look back at the excruciatingly embarrassing phases of their life with some humor. Maybe that is better than shooting them or imprisoning them for past mistakes.
I strongly oppose homosexuality and the LGBTQ agenda, there is no tolerating homosexuals pushing their agendas on innocent children in public classrooms and libraries, I don't see my opposition stopping any time soon
 
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