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Ukraine Is Out Of Soldiers And Desperate, Outnumbered 10/1 By Russian Soldiers, Ukraine Is Grabbing Citizens Off The Streets Against Their Will?

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1. Is running, not ran. Operation is still ongoing. Ukrainian armoured formations have been spotted ~10km east of Sudzha, and are also reportedly pushing northwest and west.
2. It has involved (per Russian sources) elements of 14 different Ukrainian brigades. That's not 'a few'.
3. The border wasn't undefended. Otherwise Ukraine sources wouldn't be talking about captured, at a minimum, 400 troops (some sources saying 1000+)
4. It has penetrated (per Russian military blogger sources) somewhere between 30 and 40 km into Russian territory. Ukraine has captured, per Russian media, about 720 sq km of Russian territory (or 480 sq km according to the governor of Kursk, as of about 12 hours ago)
5. Military assessments are hard, and the operational objectives are unclear. Ukraine might be going into Russia due to a lack of manpower, as it may be a move of desperation. However, there are a BUNCH of other reasons (tactical, operational, strategic and political) to go into Russia too which aren't related to any hypothetical manpower shortages.
6. LoL indeed. At the moment, I think those who are laughing loudest are the Ukrainians. As well as intelligence agencies from around the world.
Most Ukrainians don't find it funny at all. Don't draw conclusions based on corrupt journalists and bots on the Internet. Ukrainians value the lives and health of their loved ones most of all, who die in hundreds and thousands every day. If this operation (in Kursk) does not lead to peace talks with Russia, then it is a bad operation.
 
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1. Is running, not ran. Operation is still ongoing. Ukrainian armoured formations have been spotted ~10km east of Sudzha, and are also reportedly pushing northwest and west.
2. It has involved (per Russian sources) elements of 14 different Ukrainian brigades. That's not 'a few'.
3. The border wasn't undefended. Otherwise Ukraine sources wouldn't be talking about captured, at a minimum, 400 troops (some sources saying 1000+)
4. It has penetrated (per Russian military blogger sources) somewhere between 30 and 40 km into Russian territory. Ukraine has captured, per Russian media, about 720 sq km of Russian territory (or 480 sq km according to the governor of Kursk, as of about 12 hours ago)
5. Military assessments are hard, and the operational objectives are unclear. Ukraine might be going into Russia due to a lack of manpower, as it may be a move of desperation. However, there are a BUNCH of other reasons (tactical, operational, strategic and political) to go into Russia too which aren't related to any hypothetical manpower shortages.
6. LoL indeed. At the moment, I think those who are laughing loudest are the Ukrainians. As well as intelligence agencies from around the world.
In 2 weeks the Ukranian units in Russia will be dead, Russian reinforcement was in immediate response to the incursion, nothing more than a surprise attack in trying to bolster Ukraines position

Russian military outnumbers Ukraine 5/1, their weapons are second to none, next month at this time it will be old news as Ukraine's soldiers are slaughtered at the front lines

Bad part about the situation is, the western world is pushing Putin's hand closer to the red button of nuclear war, tactical nukes will be his next step if the west continues and Putin isn't bluffing, you think his nuclear warhead submaries aren't still in the areas of Cuba and deployed around the globe in strategic areas?
 
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Ukrainians are people first and foremost, not a workforce. Let us use you as a workforce and dispose of you? You don't want to? You have your own plans for life, your family and friends are worried. And aren't Ukrainians people? Are they a resource and a workforce? Do Ukrainians exist only to be used and disposed of? Are you a Christian if you think like that?

If Ukrainians liked to fight, our people would join Russia and fight together (Russia is always fighting somewhere: Afghanistan, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Syria). But Ukrainians chose the European Union so as not to fight! And here is the paradox: they chose peace, but got war!

My point still remains my friend.
 
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If this operation (in Kursk) does not lead to peace talks with Russia, then it is a bad operation.
I agree, it's only moving the world closer to World War III, next up for Putin will be the use of tactical nukes, and he has warned the western world repeatedly for the past year and he ain't bluffing
 
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In 2 weeks the Ukranian units in Russia will be dead, Russian reinforcement was in immediate response to the incursion, nothing more than a surprise attack in trying to bolster Ukraines position

Russian military outnumbers Ukraine 5/1, their weapons are second to none, next month at this time it will be old news as Ukraine's soldiers are slaughtered at the front lines

Bad part about the situation is, the western world is pushing Putin's hand closer to the red button of nuclear war, tactical nukes will be his next step if the west continues and Putin isn't bluffing, you think his nuclear warhead submaries aren't still in the areas of Cuba and deployed around the globe in strategic areas?
Wow. You think we should cave to Russian imperialism because Putin will blow up the world if we don't?
 
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Wow. You think we should cave to Russian imperialism because Putin will blow up the world if we don't?
Fact is Ukraine isn't going to win the war against Russia, they have no citizens left to drag off the streets to put on the front lines, next it will be mandatory enlistment for women, and 60+ men

The west has invested untold billions that has resulted in the complete destruction of Ukraine, you think Zelensky is going to win a war against Russia, dragging civilians off the streets that don't want to fight the western worlds war, hardly!

Putin has stated that if his National sovereignty is threatened he will use tactical nukes and he isn't bluffing, Putin is fighting the western world and Ukranian citizens are being used as cannon fodder for the west, slaughtered!

Good news is, Donald J. Trump IMHO will win the presidency on Nov 5th, and the US entanglement in the Ukranian debacle will be stopped immediately and Zelensky knows this

The US has no business being involved in Ukraine, it needs to protect its southern border that is being invaded by the enemy presently, Millions have entered under the Biden Admin, in a direct attempt at destroying America

Zelensky surrender, save Ukranian lives
 
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Ukrainians are people first and foremost, not a workforce. Let us use you as a workforce and dispose of you? You don't want to? You have your own plans for life, your family and friends are worried. And aren't Ukrainians people? Are they a resource and a workforce? Do Ukrainians exist only to be used and disposed of? Are you a Christian if you think like that?

If Ukrainians liked to fight, our people would join Russia and fight together (Russia is always fighting somewhere: Afghanistan, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Syria). But Ukrainians chose the European Union so as not to fight! And here is the paradox: they chose peace, but got war!
Everyone knows Ukrainians are people (except the Kremlin, but they hardly count), but this thread is about availability of manpower for military operations in Ukraine.
 
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Russian military outnumbers Ukraine 5/1, their weapons are second to none, next month at this time it will be old news as Ukraine's soldiers are slaughtered at the front lines
Second to none? Try second to everyone. If this war has demonstrated nothing else, it is that the last generation of Western/NATO weapons are superior to anything Russia has
 
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Russian military outnumbers Ukraine 5/1, their weapons are second to none, next month at this time it will be old news as Ukraine's soldiers are slaughtered at the front lines

The Russian military isn't even the best equipped military in Russia right now.
 
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the last generation of Western/NATO weapons are superior to anything Russia has
"False", Russia has the largest conventional bomb (FOAB) father of all bombs, 4 times more powerful than the USA (MOAB) mother of all bombs

Russia has the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal
Russian nuclear-capable air-launched ballistic missile flying Mach 10, the fastest and most precise in the world

Russia has the nuclear (Tsar) bomb, the largest capable nuclear bomb in the world

Once again your claims are "False"
 
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"False", Russia has the largest conventional bomb (FOAB) father of all bombs, 4 times more powerful than the USA (MOAB) mother of all bombs
It's so weird they haven't used it. Perhaps its for the same reason that the only bombs Russia are using in Ukraine are glide bombs because any regular bomb would have to be dropped above the target and the bomber would risk being shot down.
Russia has the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal
Russian nuclear-capable air-launched ballistic missile flying Mach 10, the fastest and most precise in the world
It's just an air launched ballistic missile. Ukraine has shot down several of them.
Russia has the nuclear (Tsar) bomb, the largest capable nuclear bomb in the world
Tsar bomba was never a practical weapon and that was 60+ years ago. It is not a current Russian weapon. You might as well talk about the power of the Cossack cavalry. (I know I've told you this before.)
Once again your claims are "False"
You wrote this while looking at a mirror, right.
 
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It's so weird they haven't used it. Perhaps its for the same reason that the only bombs Russia are using in Ukraine are glide bombs because any regular bomb would have to be dropped above the target and the bomber would risk being shot down.
Once again your claims in post #48 are "False"
It's just an air launched ballistic missile. Ukraine has shot down several of them.
Once again your claims in post #48 are "False"
Tsar bomba was never a practical weapon and that was 60+ years ago. It is not a current Russian weapon. You might as well talk about the power of the Cossack cavalry. (I know I've told you this before.)

You wrote this while looking at a mirror, right.
"False" Russia has the capability of "Tsar" bomb, the greatest displayed capability known to this world, and yes it was/is a usable practical weapon regardless of your denial of this fact

P.S. you don't have a clue what nuclear bombs Russia currently has in their arsenal, stop pretending like you do

Tsar Bomba

Ground-level view of detonation
 
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"False" Russia has the capability of "Tsar" bomb, the greatest displayed capability known to this world, and yes it was/is a usable practical weapon regardless of your denial of this fact
Claiming that Russia has "Tsar Bomba" "capability" is like saying the US has "Fat Man" or "Saturn V" capability. Yes, the US once made and exploded that type of bomb and launched that type of rocket, but the US doesn't have them in stock anymore and doesn't make them. Likewise, the Russia doesn't have the 60 year old Soviet "Tsar Bomba" in their arsenal. It was never deployed as a usable weapon. Why is it that of the three examples of "great Russian weapons" you listed, two of them have never been used for anything?
P.S. you don't have a clue what nuclear bombs Russia currently has in their arsenal, stop pretending like you do
Nice try. What does Russia's nuclear arsenal have to do with their failed war in Ukraine?


PS. Where do you get your "information"?
 
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"False", Russia has the largest conventional bomb (FOAB) father of all bombs, 4 times more powerful than the USA (MOAB) mother of all bombs

Bigger =/= better.
Also, the FOAB was ~7.1 tonnes. The MOAB is ~9.9 tonnes. And the MOAP is 12.2 tonnes. So, you're just factually wrong.

Russia has the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal. Russian nuclear-capable air-launched ballistic missile flying Mach 10, the fastest and most precise in the world

Which has been intercepted by Patriot and (reportedly) SAMP/T, and is neither the fastest air launched missile, or the most precise.


Russia has the nuclear (Tsar) bomb, the largest capable nuclear bomb in the world

Does it? Russia's current highest yielding nuclear device seems to be around 5 megatonne range. Russia hasn't had anything larger since the start of the 2010s.
 
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Second to none? Try second to everyone. If this war has demonstrated nothing else, it is that the last generation of Western/NATO weapons are superior to anything Russia has
After all, this is a Christian forum and we must evaluate everything as Jesus Christ, His apostles and other saints would have. Jesus Christ never said that states are something important for the salvation of the soul. The most important thing is human souls, and in earthly life - human lives. Life on earth is necessary for a person so that he has time to prepare for eternal life, and if he is taken away from life before his time, then this is the same as being aborted without his consent. A person, if he is driven by force to war and he dies there, can lose the chance to save his soul and receive eternal life. The Gospel tells how the host of the feast threw into the pitch darkness a man who did not come in wedding clothes.
The devil wants to abort people who have embarked on the path of salvation and for this purpose arranges wars.
 
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My opinion is that a compromise could be reached in peace talks. Russia has stated that its goal is the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine.

Regarding denazification, this is the easiest. Simply implement the Ukrainian constitution, which states that all opportunities for the free use of Russian and other languages are created in Ukraine. Leave Russian writers and their monuments alone. Leave those who want to speak Russian and speak Russian with tourists from Russia alone. All of this was before 2014, and we can return to this.

Regarding demilitarization, then give Ukraine the opportunity to accumulate defensive weapons without restrictions, primarily air defense systems, but limit offensive weapons. Build such reinforced concrete fortifications along the border that it would be impossible to pass (3-5 lines of defense), and install massive air defense systems behind them so that not a single Russian missile, not a single bomb falls on Ukraine.

And we need to stop killing people. The first year, 500 people died and were maimed on each side, the second year - 750, this year already 1000. And so every day! These are people! They have relatives, loved ones, they had plans for life, to have good jobs and travel around Europe on vacation without a visa. And these people die every day, without ever seeing anything good.
 
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What do you mean by this and who is your friend?

My point remains in the post i made several posts earlier. You are my friend, as is everyone on this fine forum...
 
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After all, this is a Christian forum and we must evaluate everything as Jesus Christ, His apostles and other saints would have. Jesus Christ never said that states are something important for the salvation of the soul.
I decline to do "analysis by Jesus". It has no meaning to me or relevance to the nominal topic of this sub-forum (international politics).
The most important thing is human souls, and in earthly life - human lives. Life on earth is necessary for a person so that he has time to prepare for eternal life, and if he is taken away from life before his time, then this is the same as being aborted without his consent. A person, if he is driven by force to war and he dies there, can lose the chance to save his soul and receive eternal life. The Gospel tells how the host of the feast threw into the pitch darkness a man who did not come in wedding clothes.
The devil wants to abort people who have embarked on the path of salvation and for this purpose arranges wars.
I don't care. Why did you post this in response to me.
 
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My opinion is that a compromise could be reached in peace talks. Russia has stated that its goal is the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine.
You'll never get peace talks based on a porky like that. Ukraine is a breadbasket, producing over 20% of the world's export food grains. That's what Putin wants. He also wants naval superiority in the Black Sea. This year's prize for the lamest attempt to establish naval superiority over a country with no navy goes to... Guess who?
 
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