My Gospel by Paul

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I don't think I am saying something different from that, unless you can point it out. God does know who we are who are in Christ, indeed. Making sure we are is something we are yet told to do, some are not there thinking yet that they are. Essential things, like repentance, might be missing, and such remaining as they are won't last with the faith.

Repentance is the first step in receiving Christ as Saviour. It is a one-time event. We don't keep repenting after being born again of the spirit, because all our sins, past present and future are paid for by Christ on the Cross, Therefore there is nothing to repent from in that sense. However, we are instructed to forsake the works of the flesh and to walk in the Spirit. This does not mean that we become sinlessly perfect, because John says that if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, and that if we confess our sins, He will forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We will have the presence of sin with us until we die and are resurrected. At the resurrection, we will leave our sinful flesh in the grave and rise up in our glorified bodies. This the atonement that Jesus achieved for us will be complete.

 

[FredVB]

Repentance is the first step in receiving Christ as Saviour. It is a one-time event. We don't keep repenting after being born again of the spirit, because all our sins, past present and future are paid for by Christ on the Cross, Therefore there is nothing to repent from in that sense. However, we are instructed to forsake the works of the flesh and to walk in the Spirit. This does not mean that we become sinlessly perfect, because John says that if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, and that if we confess our sins, He will forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We will have the presence of sin with us until we die and are resurrected. At the resurrection, we will leave our sinful flesh in the grave and rise up in our glorified bodies. This the atonement that Jesus achieved for us will be complete.

Repentance is necessary in that first step. It is not over then. One is not ever right to say, I repented back then, I don't need to repent of anything since then. One does not have real repentance with that. Real repentance is from consciousness of sin which separates any from God, who will not just look on sin. Repentance is a state we come to with that consciousness. When we are brought to awareness of any sin still with us, or from us, we are repentant, if we are ones in Christ. There isn't question of whether we have forgiveness or not, that is promised. But we want our being restored to the relationship we should have with Christ, having it with God through Christ. Repentance lasts in us toward all sin, that we are covered for, at real cost.

 

[KingdomLeast]

Matthew 28:19.

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Matthew 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," ​

There is evidence to suggest that this verse is spurious, but let's say it isn't. Tell me, why didn't any of the Apostles follow this formula?

Acts 2:38

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.​

Acts 8:12

But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. ​

Acts 8:16

For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.​

Acts 8:48

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.​

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Acts 19:5

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.​

Romans 6:3

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? ​

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[Strong in Him]

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Matthew 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," ​

There is evidence to suggest that this verse is spurious, but let's say it isn't. Tell me, why didn't any of the Apostles follow this formula?

1. Your question was, "tell me, where in Scripture does it say to baptize people in the name of the Trinity?"
I showed you where.
Now you are dismissing it and, effectively, saying, "well the Apostles didn't obey that verse."
The fact was you claimed that there was no Scriptural evidence for baptizing in the name of the Trinity. There is. That you dismiss, or don't accept it, is a different matter; it's there.
2. Scripture doesn't describe baptisms, except for in the Gospels. The disciples may well have said "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" - or maybe they didn't. Maybe they forgot about that teaching. Maybe people repented and were filled with the Spirit before baptism could take place.
But whether they obeyed it from the word 'go' or it was something they only did at a later date, it doesn't matter.
The instruction to baptize in the name of the Trinity is in Scripture.
Paul later also blessed people in the name of the Trinity, 2 Corinthians 13:14.

 

[Soyeong]

Twice Paul said my Gospel in Rom2v16 and 16v25.
This is our Gospel, of Grace by Faith, that we have had for the last 2000yrs. No one has been saved by the 1st Gospel of the Kingdom, found in Matt, Mark, Luke and John, since all those years ago.
This was because it was for the Jews only, as a Gospel of works, where by they have to endure to the end to be saved.
We don’t have works, just Grace by Faith, which is the free gift of God.
Unfortunately all denominations and non denominations are man made, dating back to Emperor Constantine, who to appease the Goths, Huns and Vandals, who were attacking Rome, allowed their paganism into the Church, and all subsequent churches and religions. They all mix the 2 Gospels together, making them void.
Church is ekklesia in the Greek, meaning called out ones, so for most going along with your particular brand of Christianity, along with adherence to all the rules, and rituals, think again!
His Grace is sufficient, nothing added. Eph2v8, God’s free gift to us.
The whole bible was written for us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles were written to us!

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, which Paul also taught based on the Torah:

Acts 14:21-22 When they had preached the gospel to that city and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra and to Iconium and to Antioch, 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Acts 21:24-25 4 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again.

Acts 28:23 When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.

Romans 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

Romans 15:18-19 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;

 

[LoveofTruth]

Twice Paul said my Gospel in Rom2v16 and 16v25.
This is our Gospel, of Grace by Faith, that we have had for the last 2000yrs. No one has been saved by the 1st Gospel of the Kingdom, found in Matt, Mark, Luke and John, since all those years ago.
This was because it was for the Jews only, as a Gospel of works, where by they have to endure to the end to be saved.
We don’t have works, just Grace by Faith, which is the free gift of God.
Unfortunately all denominations and non denominations are man made, dating back to Emperor Constantine, who to appease the Goths, Huns and Vandals, who were attacking Rome, allowed their paganism into the Church, and all subsequent churches and religions. They all mix the 2 Gospels together, making them void.
Church is ekklesia in the Greek, meaning called out ones, so for most going along with your particular brand of Christianity, along with adherence to all the rules, and rituals, think again!
His Grace is sufficient, nothing added. Eph2v8, God’s free gift to us.
The whole bible was written for us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles were written to us!

Paul simply personalized the gospel as his, or “my gospel”. In the same way we would say “my Lord” although all believers have him as their Lord.

Paul preached the same gospel as Peter and others. At the time Peter primarily went to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles.

Galatians 2: 7. But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: ) 9. And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

 

[LoveofTruth]

This is our Gospel, of Grace by Faith, that we have had for the last 2000yrs.

The gospel was preached before unto Abraham. And the gospel was spoken of by Jesus and all the animal sacrifices were types of the gospel also in the law was the gospel in type seen. We even read that the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4 that Paul preached) was according to the Old Testament scriptures.

 

[Dan Perez]

1. Your question was, "tell me, where in Scripture does it say to baptize people in the name of the Trinity?"
I showed you where.
Now you are dismissing it and, effectively, saying, "well the Apostles didn't obey that verse."
The fact was you claimed that there was no Scriptural evidence for baptizing in the name of the Trinity. There is. That you dismiss, or don't accept it, is a different matter; it's there.
2. Scripture doesn't describe baptisms, except for in the Gospels. The disciples may well have said "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" - or maybe they didn't. Maybe they forgot about that teaching. Maybe people repented and were filled with the Spirit before baptism could take place.
But whether they obeyed it from the word 'go' or it was something they only did at a later date, it doesn't matter.
The instruction to baptize in the name of the Trinity is in Scripture.
Paul later also blessed people in the name of the Trinity, 2 Corinthians 13:14.

Many never see that the Greek word for WATER // HUDOR is NOT in Matt 28: 19 ??

And by the way what does NATION // ETHNOS means in John 11:48 , 50 , and 51 v.

dan p

 

[KingdomLeast]

Scripture doesn't describe baptisms, except for in the Gospels. The disciples may well have said "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" - or maybe they didn't. Maybe they forgot about that teaching. Maybe people repented and were filled with the Spirit before baptism could take place. But whether they obeyed it from the word 'go' or it was something they only did at a later date, it doesn't matter.
The instruction to baptize in the name of the Trinity is in Scripture. Paul later also blessed people in the name of the Trinity, 2 Corinthians 13:14.

That's a lot of "maybes". So given a direct command from Jesus just before he ascends to heaven, and your response is "maybe they forgot"??? I don't think so.

 

[Strong in Him]

That's a lot of "maybes". So given a direct command from Jesus just before he ascends to heaven, and your response is "maybe they forgot"??? I don't think so.

No, I was wondering out loud why the disciples might not have baptised people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - if, in fact, that's what happened..

But at least you are acknowledging that baptising in the name of the Trinity is in the Bible. That's progress.

 

[LoveofTruth]

That's a lot of "maybes". So given a direct command from Jesus just before he ascends to heaven, and your response is "maybe they forgot"??? I don't think so.

The verse may not be talking about”water” baptism. Jesus didn’t mention water here.

Matthew 28: 19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

The “teaching” baptised or immerses them into the “nane” or character life pose authority of the Father , Son, abd Holy Ghost.

We see that Jesus speaks of manifesting the name of the Father abd keeping them in the name of the Father before he died on the cross ,

John 17: 6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
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John 17: 12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”

Being immersed (baptized) into the babe is much deeper than many have seen,

Proverbs 18: 10. The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.”

Colossians 3: 17. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”

Whatever we do all good works are in the nane … or in the character life power etc,

Consider

Hebrews 13: 20. Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

The saving baptism is not into water but into Jesus Cheist by the Spirit, (1 Cor. . 22:13, Galatians 3:27, etc)

 

[christian-surfer]

Paul’s mission was to establish church worship or organized religion to some extent.

 

[Strong in Him]

Paul’s mission was to establish church worship or organized religion to some extent.

Paul's mission was to preach Jesus.

 

[christian-surfer]

Paul's mission was to preach Jesus.

My explanation I believe explains why the Paul letters often have a different tone than the gospels. They are letters written to church bodies or groups of people. These letters explain how these churches should conduct themselves and go about the practice of worship and addresses various problems amongst these churches

 

[JulieB67]

Repentance is the first step in receiving Christ as Saviour. It is a one-time event.

To the Christian churches

Revelation 2:5 "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation 2:16 "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."

Revelation 3:3 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon you."

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

Revelation 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent

These are just some of the examples laid out to Christians about the importance of repentance. It is not a one time event. Christ is talking to Christians that have fallen into sin, etc.

True repentance which means a change of mind and heart can also take time with problem sins, etc. But we should always strive to find it.

We don't keep repenting after being born again of the spirit, because all our sins, past present and future are paid for by Christ on the Cross

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Christ became that one time sacrifice for all time but repentance still has to come into play when we fall into sin after we become a Christian as noted by Christ in the above scriptures and the danger of not doing so.

 

[David Lamb]

Repentance is the first step in receiving Christ as Saviour. It is a one-time event. We don't keep repenting after being born again of the spirit, because all our sins, past present and future are paid for by Christ on the Cross, Therefore there is nothing to repent from in that sense. However, we are instructed to forsake the works of the flesh and to walk in the Spirit. This does not mean that we become sinlessly perfect, because John says that if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, and that if we confess our sins, He will forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We will have the presence of sin with us until we die and are resurrected. At the resurrection, we will leave our sinful flesh in the grave and rise up in our glorified bodies. This the atonement that Jesus achieved for us will be complete.

Repentance is not a one-time event. In the bible, we read of people who were already Christians being told to repent. For example, members of the church at Ephesus were told:

“Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place — unless you repent.” (Re 2:5 NKJV)

They weren't told, "You repented when you first became Christians, so you don't need to do so again."

As you correctly say, we shall not be free from sin in this life. When we fall into sin, we need to repent. When we sin again, we repent again.

 

[Strong in Him]

My explanation I believe explains why the Paul letters often have a different tone than the gospels.

Yes. They're bound to have a different tone to the Gospels; the authors weren't writing about Jesus' life and ministry, but his death, resurrection, Pentecost and what this means for us now.

They are letters written to church bodies or groups of people. These letters explain how these churches should conduct themselves and go about the practice of worship and addresses various problems amongst these churches.

Yes - but that's not the same as saying that Paul's mission was to establish organised religion.

 

[christian-surfer]

Yes. They're bound to have a different tone to the Gospels; the authors weren't writing about Jesus' life and ministry, but his death, resurrection, Pentecost and what this means for us now.

Yes - but that's not the same as saying that Paul's mission was to establish organised religion.

People always talk about organized religion as a bad thing but any church body has to perform administrative tasks, building maintenance, appoint leaders, establish a direction, deal with controversies etc. I don’t know how to describe it using another word. I don’t think organized religion is a bad thing necessarily. There are church buildings and temples all over the world

 

[Clare73]

Yes. They're bound to have a different tone to the Gospels; the authors weren't writing about Jesus' life and ministry, but his death, resurrection, Pentecost and what this means for us now.
Yes - but that's not the same as saying that Paul's mission was to establish organised religion.

Paul gave instructions for establishing "organized religion" in
1 Tim 1:3-7, 18, 2:1-15, 3:1-13, 4:1-8, 5:17-25, 6:3-5, 20-21,
2 Tim 1:8, 14, 2:3, 3:14, 4:2, 22,
Tit 1:5, 2:1, 7.

 

[Strong in Him]

Paul gave instructions for establishing "organized religion" in
1 Tim 1:3-7, 18, 2:1-15, 3:1-13, 4:1-8, 5:17-25, 6:3-5, 20-21,
2 Tim 1:8, 14, 2:3, 3:14, 4:2, 22,
Tit 1:5, 2:1, 7.

Those aren't about organised religion.
For the most part, Paul is saying "preach the Gospel, don't allow false doctrine, avoid arguments and disputes, pray for those in authority, keep the faith.
Yes, he talks of leadership; any medium/large-sized group that meets together needs some kind of order and leadership. But I don't see that as being the same.

Organized religion, for me, is church buildings, rituals, rules and hierarchy in leadership (with the message 'don't get ideas above your station'). These might seem necessary but they are usually restrictive and stifling.
Some - maybe most - of them are not Scriptural but people aren't allowed to challenge the status quo or "the way it's always been done." And I'm not just thinking of mainstream denominations. A member of another church had someone sit beside her and query her finances to see if she could increase her tithe. They lost out altogether in the end; she left the church.