VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

[keras]

Prove Christians in the 6th seal.

YOU prove they aren't.

The Sixth Seal
Points to be considered:

1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?

2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?

3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath?

4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?

1/ All the commentaries that I have perused and most of the Bible scholars I have asked, agree on the chronological sequence of the seals, trumpets and bowls. It is only those with the agenda of the next event being a war and all the wrath of God is to be poured out at the Return, who place them out of the sequence as given.

Also a preterist will say it’s all past history or abrogated by Christ’s atonement.

2/ Although some say that because the description of the four horsemen and how they have been released already, as in Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8, do not exactly match that described in Revelation 6:1-8, then they are different events. However, I see this as just an attempt to maintain their beliefs, especially those who hold to a pre trib/wrath rapture.

The Fifth Seal is telling those saints that have been martyred, they must wait until their number is complete. Matthew 23:35 Jesus said:...from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah... This significant quote confirms that the first five seals were opened after the murder of Zechariah and their number will be completed by all who have been and will be killed from the time of Zechariah until the Return.

3/ The Sixth Seal matches quite closely the many prophecies of the worldwide Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, found throughout the OT and the NT. This event simply does not match the 3 clear descriptions of the Return of Jesus and what happens then. Zechariah 14:4-9, Matthew 24:30-31, Revelation 19:11-21

As for thinking that because it is the people who say; ‘Fall on us, for the Day of wrath has come’, then it isn’t a true statement, this is totally unbelievable because they haven’t said it yet and it is actually a prophecy of Jesus, as given to John.

4/ Prophecy should be understood literally, unless there is an obvious allegory and then it is most often explained literally in other passages. With hindsight and modern scientific knowledge, it is now possible to know what will happen and right now the fulfilment of Psalms 83:1-8 and Micah 4:11-12 is staring us in the face.

The sequence of judgements/ punishments as revealed by Jesus to John in Revelation, will occur as written and the next event will be the Sixth seal, the Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the Day the Lord destroys His enemies. All the graphically described effects of a worldwide devastation will happen by the means He will use, a coronal mass ejection, Isaiah 30:26, which will literally fulfil all the prophecies.

Be aware and be prepared, or remain ‘in the dark’, and be shocked and terrified when it does happen.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

YOU prove they aren't.

The Sixth Seal
Points to be considered:

1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?

2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?

3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath?

4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?

1/ All the commentaries that I have perused and most of the Bible scholars I have asked, agree on the chronological sequence of the seals, trumpets and bowls. It is only those with the agenda of the next event being a war and all the wrath of God is to be poured out at the Return, who place them out of the sequence as given.

Also a preterist will say it’s all past history or abrogated by Christ’s atonement.

2/ Although some say that because the description of the four horsemen and how they have been released already, as in Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8, do not exactly match that described in Revelation 6:1-8, then they are different events. However, I see this as just an attempt to maintain their beliefs, especially those who hold to a pre trib/wrath rapture.

The Fifth Seal is telling those saints that have been martyred, they must wait until their number is complete. Matthew 23:35 Jesus said:...from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah... This significant quote confirms that the first five seals were opened after the murder of Zechariah and their number will be completed by all who have been and will be killed from the time of Zechariah until the Return.

3/ The Sixth Seal matches quite closely the many prophecies of the worldwide Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, found throughout the OT and the NT. This event simply does not match the 3 clear descriptions of the Return of Jesus and what happens then. Zechariah 14:4-9, Matthew 24:30-31, Revelation 19:11-21

As for thinking that because it is the people who say; ‘Fall on us, for the Day of wrath has come’, then it isn’t a true statement, this is totally unbelievable because they haven’t said it yet and it is actually a prophecy of Jesus, as given to John.

4/ Prophecy should be understood literally, unless there is an obvious allegory and then it is most often explained literally in other passages. With hindsight and modern scientific knowledge, it is now possible to know what will happen and right now the fulfilment of Psalms 83:1-8 and Micah 4:11-12 is staring us in the face.

The sequence of judgements/ punishments as revealed by Jesus to John in Revelation, will occur as written and the next event will be the Sixth seal, the Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the Day the Lord destroys His enemies. All the graphically described effects of a worldwide devastation will happen by the means He will use, a coronal mass ejection, Isaiah 30:26, which will literally fulfil all the prophecies.

Be aware and be prepared, or remain ‘in the dark’, and be shocked and terrified when it does happen.

Keras, let’s keep it to what the Bible says and doesn’t say in Rev 6:15-17.

(1) There’s no credible wrath in the 6th seal (wars, famine, wild beasts and pestilence).

(2) There are no deaths in the 6th seal. God’s wrath is synonymous with widespread deaths.

(3) There are tremendous phenomena that can only come from the hand of Almighty God. The purpose of this extraordinary phenomena is to prove that God exists and that He, alone, is all-powerful. It’s intended to bring the unbelievers to repentance and acceptance of Jesus.

All who dwell on the earth are present for the 6th seal. All react in terror to an alleged sighting of Jesus. All run away in sheer terror to hide themselves. That is the complete antithesis of Christian behavior. Their behavior proves they are all unbelievers.

The 6th seal proves that no Christians are living on earth.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Then the content of your reply confirms literally what I posted for you: -->The Earth as a whole is INFESTED of devils/demons(sons of Devil), and there is a multitude of false Christians among them-Matthew 24:10-13, and 1Timothy 4:1-2, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - , and they really believe there is indeed one GOD-James 2:19 combined with 2Corinthians 11:13-15, but they as MINISTERS of Satan use the Scriptures as the Devil also used in the temptation of our Lord JESUS Christ, so we must DISCERN this devilish strategy of the Devil, and not fall into his satanic traps, as for example, in the false rapture preached by demons.


What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.

2Corinthians 11:13-15

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (false Christians, apostates)

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (the light is the Word of GOD)

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS (MINISTERS OF DEVIL) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose END shall be according to their works.--> By the way, these are already CURSED by written by my Lord JESUS Christ-Matthew 25:41 & 46:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life Eternal.

Points remain, all have sin and sin is of the devil. And people are not devils.

Do you acknowledge these scriptural facts?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Prove the “firery wrath” in the 6th seal.

Prove Christians in the 6th seal.

The proof of believers never entering the Trib: Jesus said, “I will keep you from the hour of trial.” Rev 4:1 is the rapture to Heaven. What does “Come up here” mean in Rev 4:1?

It certainly doesn't mean Rev 4:1 happens to everyone as you're trying to imply as a collective rapture

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

It certainly doesn't mean Rev 4:1 happens to everyone as you're trying to imply as a collective rapture

These verses (as well as others) refer to the same rapture: 1 Th 4:16-17, 1 Cor 15:52 and Rev 4:1.

Verse 52’s “last trumpet” refers to the trumpet in verse 16. When that trumpet sound occurs, all the dead in Christ are raised. They, and then we living believers, are changed into our eternal bodies, per verse 52.

In verse 17, we are raptured straight to Heaven, per Rev 4:1.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

YOU prove they aren't.

The Sixth Seal
Points to be considered:

1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?

2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?

3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath?

4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?

1/ All the commentaries that I have perused and most of the Bible scholars I have asked, agree on the chronological sequence of the seals, trumpets and bowls. It is only those with the agenda of the next event being a war and all the wrath of God is to be poured out at the Return, who place them out of the sequence as given.

Also a preterist will say it’s all past history or abrogated by Christ’s atonement.

2/ Although some say that because the description of the four horsemen and how they have been released already, as in Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8, do not exactly match that described in Revelation 6:1-8, then they are different events. However, I see this as just an attempt to maintain their beliefs, especially those who hold to a pre trib/wrath rapture.

The Fifth Seal is telling those saints that have been martyred, they must wait until their number is complete. Matthew 23:35 Jesus said:...from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah... This significant quote confirms that the first five seals were opened after the murder of Zechariah and their number will be completed by all who have been and will be killed from the time of Zechariah until the Return.

3/ The Sixth Seal matches quite closely the many prophecies of the worldwide Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, found throughout the OT and the NT. This event simply does not match the 3 clear descriptions of the Return of Jesus and what happens then. Zechariah 14:4-9, Matthew 24:30-31, Revelation 19:11-21

As for thinking that because it is the people who say; ‘Fall on us, for the Day of wrath has come’, then it isn’t a true statement, this is totally unbelievable because they haven’t said it yet and it is actually a prophecy of Jesus, as given to John.

4/ Prophecy should be understood literally, unless there is an obvious allegory and then it is most often explained literally in other passages. With hindsight and modern scientific knowledge, it is now possible to know what will happen and right now the fulfilment of Psalms 83:1-8 and Micah 4:11-12 is staring us in the face.

The sequence of judgements/ punishments as revealed by Jesus to John in Revelation, will occur as written and the next event will be the Sixth seal, the Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the Day the Lord destroys His enemies. All the graphically described effects of a worldwide devastation will happen by the means He will use, a coronal mass ejection, Isaiah 30:26, which will literally fulfil all the prophecies.

Be aware and be prepared, or remain ‘in the dark’, and be shocked and terrified when it does happen.

A case for “progression” of the seals, trumpets and bowls, is challenged by the effects of seals 2 and 4. Great death tolls (in the billions) occur between those two seals, whereas Seal 6 has no deaths.

Therefore, a single standard for “progression” is elusive.

 

[keras]

(1) There’s no credible wrath in the 6th seal (wars, famine, wild beasts and pestilence).

(2) There are no deaths in the 6th seal. God’s wrath is synonymous with widespread deaths.

But the Sixth Seal IS the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. Over 100 other Prophesies vividly describe this forthcoming terrible Day, which everybody will experience.

A case for “progression” of the seals, trumpets and bowls, is challenged by the effects of seals 2 and 4. Great death tolls (in the billions) occur between those two seals, whereas Seal 6 has no deaths.

Therefore, a single standard for “progression” is elusive.

I have shown you and others the proof of the first five Seals being opened when Jesus Ascended. All five have had their effects in very obvious ways, since then.
The great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, will change the world and set the scene for all the end time Prophesies to be fulfilled, ending with the Eternal state.

 

[keras]

It certainly doesn't mean Rev 4:1 happens to everyone as you're trying to imply as a collective rapture

True, this kind of wild assumption is what 'rapture to heaven' believers have to resort to.
What those poor deceived saps carefully avoid, is why should God take them directly to heaven, how are they more special that the millions pf Christians whom God did not rapture away from severe persecution and horrible deaths.

1 Peter 4:12 Friends; we must face testing and fiery trials......
Satans lie of the rapture, has made many complacent, so many will fall when Jesus wields His winnowing fork; Matthew 3:12

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

But the Sixth Seal IS the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. Over 100 other Prophesies vividly describe this forthcoming terrible Day, which everybody will experience.

I have shown you and others the proof of the first five Seals being opened when Jesus Ascended. All five have had their effects in very obvious ways, since then.
The great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, will change the world and set the scene for all the end time Prophesies to be fulfilled, ending with the Eternal state.

Keras, in the book of Revelation, Rev 4 and beyond are all in the future. That’s also what validates the pre-Trib rapture; it occurs at Rev 4:1. The 1st seal starts the Trib, which will last about seven years. Claiming that seals 1 - 5 are already open is not biblical. You cannot show any biblical evidence to back up your claims.

Jesus promised to keep us from the hour of trial. He will do that by rapturing us to Heaven. That’s exactly what Rev 4:1 will do upon its fulfillment.

The claim of wrath in Rev 6:17 is made by a certified unbeliever. How credible is the source? “Everyone” in Rev 6:15 is about “those who dwell on the earth.” Those “who dwell on the esrth” are proven to only be unbelievers. Here’s a sample of that proof: Rev 6:10 (ESV): They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

Those crying out in the verse above are the first martyrs in the Trib. There will be a conversion of a great multitude in the Trib. That begins very early by the 144k. Seals 2 and 4 will kill billions of people in short order. The 5th seal reflects the first group of the GM. Rev 6:11 proves there will be two groups. The GM couldn’t be formed without the 2nd and 4th seals. In the 5th seal, that’s at least half of the GM right there. The second half will come from Rev 20:4. Those facts prove that seals 1 - 5 have not been opened. You can’t show any biblical proof of them already being opened.

 

[keras]

Jesus promised to keep us from the hour of trial. He will do that by rapturing us to Heaven. That’s exactly what Rev 4:1 will do upon its fulfillment.

Pretentious, opinionated nonsense!
Many Prophesies prove the way Jesus will keep His own safe during the disasters ahead, is by protection.
Rev 4:1 does not apply to anyone other than John.

Those facts prove that seals 1 - 5 have not been opened.

Not 'facts', just your faulty and biased ideas.
The historical facts prove the ongoing fulfilment of the effects of the first Five Seals.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

But the Sixth Seal IS the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. Over 100 other Prophesies vividly describe this forthcoming terrible Day, which everybody will experience.

I have shown you and others the proof of the first five Seals being opened when Jesus Ascended. All five have had their effects in very obvious ways, since then.
The great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, will change the world and set the scene for all the end time Prophesies to be fulfilled, ending with the Eternal state.

Keras, you say seals 1 - 5 have already been opened because of the number of recorded deaths over centuries. The problem is your context of time. You need several centuries of time to prove your theory. The facts are the Trib is only about seven years long. It’s started by the opening of the 1st seal.

Somebody is wrong. Either you’re wrong about your centuries of time, or Apostle John is wrong about aligning with Daniel’s 70th week — a 7-year timeframe.

The Bible contradicts your man-made theory of seals 1 - 5 already being open. Rev 4 and beyond are 100% future events. That is why you have no biblical evidence to back up your theory. Your theory is hopelessly false as nothing in the Bible supports it. This is why it is easy to prove that your premise is 100% false, because you start with a false theory of seals 1 - 5 already being open.

The 6th seal gathers everyone dwelling on the earth after seals 1 - 5 have been opened. The AC is active and seals 2 and 4 have killed over 25% of the world’s population in short order. Those are cataclysmic events meant to shock the conscience of every person dwelling on earth. Upon their gathering in the 6th seal, no wrath is displayed. It is a showing of undeniable power the can only emanate from Almighty God.

Unfortunately, what do all the people do at the 6th seal? They run in terror from an alleged sighting of Jesus by trying to hide in caves and among the rocks. That is the antithesis of Christian behavior proving that ALL in attendance at the 6th seal are unbelievers.

Keras, those are facts you cannot prove wrong from any verse in the Bible that is contextually related to the 6th seal. Those commentaries you claim that do otherwise have no contextually-related verses to back them up. That is the lynch pin. The context of each verse you could cite has zero contextual relevance to the 6th seal. That is because the 6th seal is not about wrath. It’s a display of a magnitude of power by God heretofore never seen, simply to allow belief in Him.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Pretentious, opinionated nonsense!
Many Prophesies prove the way Jesus will keep His own safe during the disasters ahead, is by protection.
Rev 4:1 does not apply to anyone other than John.

Not 'facts', just your faulty and biased ideas.
The historical facts prove the ongoing fulfilment of the effects of the first Five Seals.

Apostle John never left Patmos during the entirety of his vision. Rev 4:1 is entirely in the future as the pre-Trib rapture to Heaven.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Pretentious, opinionated nonsense!
Many Prophesies prove the way Jesus will keep His own safe during the disasters ahead, is by protection.
Rev 4:1 does not apply to anyone other than John.

Not 'facts', just your faulty and biased ideas.
The historical facts prove the ongoing fulfilment of the effects of the first Five Seals.

1 Th 5:3 (ESV):

Pretentious, opinionated nonsense!
Many Prophesies prove the way Jesus will keep His own safe during the disasters ahead, is by protection.
Rev 4:1 does not apply to anyone other than John.

Not 'facts', just your faulty and biased ideas.
The historical facts prove the ongoing fulfilment of the effects of the first Five Seals.

1 Th 5:3 (ESV): While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-to-survive-israel-must-take-opportunity-for-peace-security-with-palestinians/amp/

Time is short for Rev 4:1 to occur.

 

[keras]

Somebody is wrong. Either you’re wrong about your centuries of time, or Apostle John is wrong about aligning with Daniel’s 70th week — a 7-year timeframe.

21 Centuries of time HAVE passed.
John never mentions Daniels 70th 'week'. Only the second half of it. as 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days.

The disasters of the first four Seals are ongoing, as is the persecution of Christians in many countries. The Christian girl killed at Columbine Uni, is an example.
YOU are wrong and your impossible rapture will not happen.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

These verses (as well as others) refer to the same rapture: 1 Th 4:16-17, 1 Cor 15:52 and Rev 4:1.

Verse 52’s “last trumpet” refers to the trumpet in verse 16. When that trumpet sound occurs, all the dead in Christ are raised. They, and then we living believers, are changed into our eternal bodies, per verse 52.

In verse 17, we are raptured straight to Heaven, per Rev 4:1.

Matters shown to John in Rev 4:1 doesn't imply a collective rapture. Just as John didn't have the experiences of the prophets prior, Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, etc etc.

As to your "last trump" rapture, you might want to check out the details a little closer:

Matt 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation (noted as: "the great tribulation" in vs 21) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Care to jump into the double rapture theory? Triple maybe?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Matters shown to John in Rev 4:1 doesn't imply a collective rapture. Just as John didn't have the experiences of the prophets prior, Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, etc etc.

As to your "last trump" rapture, you might want to check out the details a little closer:

Matt 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation (noted as: "the great tribulation" in vs 21) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Care to jump into the double rapture theory? Triple maybe?

The trumpet in Matt 24:31 is sounded once and it sends out angels to gather “the elect” (Jews which fled from persecution in Israel, to several different countries).

The trumpet sound in 1 Th 4:16 is also sounded only once, and it raises the dead in Christ.

Put another way, the verse 31 trumpet gathers living people, and the trumpet in verse 16 only raises the dead in Christ.

Furthermore, where do the gathered go in Matt 24:31? We know that’s not a rapture verse because that gathering is not “unto Him.” We see that in verses about the rapture: 2 Th 2:1; John 14:3 and Rev 4:1.

Also, all raptures go straight to Heaven: 2 Kings 2:11; Rev 11:12 and Rev 4:1.

There is no way Matt 24:29-31 have anything to do with the pre-Trib rapture (Rev 4:1 and 1 Th 1:10).

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The trumpet in Matt 24:31 is sounded once and it sends out angels to gather “the elect” (Jews which fled from persecution in Israel, to several different countries).
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There is no way Matt 24:29-31 have anything to do with the pre-Trib rapture (Rev 4:1 and 1 Th 1:10).

That's why I noted you have a 2nd rapture going on with the trumpet call in Matt 24

And possibly another one with conversions post pre trib rapture? Number 3?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Loke 21:35 says the wrath of the Lord will come upon everyone the whole world over.
Rev 6:12-17 does not say only unbelievers will experience it. Isaiah 26:19-20 proves believers will too.

This idea is quite ridiculous, as Rev 12:17 shows Satan persecuting them as soon as he conquers the holy people, Half of them will be taken to a safe place, where Satan cannot get at them. Rev 12:14

Your false beliefs lead you into making wild and unscriptural statements. You are discredited and all can see your hopeless confusion and errors.

Luke 21:35 is about the beginning of the Trib. It also uses the very distinguishing phrase of “all who dwell on the face of the whole earth.” In the context of the Trib, those are unbelievers who are left behind after the pre-Trib rapture to Heaven (Rev 4:1). That is true in Rev 6:10, which cites the same “those who dwell on the earth.” We therefore have a workable time point in the Trib: “everyone” in the whole world from day 1 of the Trib are unbelievers left behind after the pre-Trib rapture to Heaven (Rev 4:1).

You said, “Rev 6:12-17 does not say only unbelievers will experience it.” There are two biblical bombshells that blow that out of the water: (1) no believers enter the Trib (Rev 3:10); (2) the behavior of “everyone” in Rev 6:15-17 is wholly and exclusively that of unbelievers.

The context to Isaiah 26:19-20 has nothing to do with the Trib. This is a classic example of your failure to ascertain the applicable context. Those verses only concern Exodus 12:21-23.

Rev 12:17 (NIV): Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

——- “those who keep God’s commands and hold fast to their testimony about Jesus” is governed by two prior verses.

Rev 3:10 says that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried. That also means “tested,” a word you’re very fond of. Well, Rev 12:17 provides the criteria for testing “those who dwell on the earth.” They must keep the commandments and hold fast to their testimony about Jesus. Therefore, those are folks who enter the Trib as unbelievers and come to their senses. They then keep the commandments and hold fast to their testimony of Jesus. Those are the “saints” in the Trib: newly converted believers who have passed the test. They now keep the commandments and hold fast to their testimony of Jesus. That’s the complete testing! They are then martyred and become the second group of the GM.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

That's why I noted you have a 2nd rapture going on with the trumpet call in Matt 24

And possibly another one with conversions post pre trib rapture? Number 3?

There’s no rapture in Matt 24:31. A rapture goes straight to Heaven (Rev 11:12 and Rev 4:1). Therefore, Matt 24:31 is only a gathering, very likely to Matt 25:34-40 (NIV): 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

 

[keras]

Rev 3:10 says that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried. That also means “tested,” a word you’re very fond of. Well, Rev 12:17 provides the criteria for testing “those who dwell on the earth.” They must keep the commandments and hold fast to their testimony about Jesus. Therefore, those are folks who enter the Trib as unbelievers and come to their senses. They then keep the commandments and hold fast to their testimony of Jesus. Those are the “saints” in the Trib: newly converted believers who have passed the test. They now keep the commandments and hold fast to their testimony of Jesus. That’s the complete testing! They are then martyred and become the second group of the GM.

This is speculative rubbish, as there simply isn't time for a large number to convert, especially knowing they will be persecuted and likely get their heads chopped off.
No; there will be very few, if any converts during the 42 month period of world control by the beast. Rev 13:5-7
There is no support for a rapture to heaven of the Church before the Great Trib, or anywhere in the Bible.