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I don't know why people are content constantly making Paul contradict himself and Jesus and never look to really understand what Paul is teaching.
Me either. I don't think there is a box we can fit all into. Reading comprehension, poor study habits, preconceived notions and ideas, spiritual blindness all come into play. But some here seem as trolls. As if they are not even serious. Just here killing time.

Pray and pray some more. Pray without ceasing.
I have enjoyed speaking to both of you on this thread. This bit of internal discussion seems to be a purposeful diagnosis of your opinion of my responses. I only speak my opinion of what I believe that the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ guides me to understand in scripture. May I ask one question?

Do you both reject or accept the concept of extra biblical prophets (male or female) that arise outside of biblical Cannon?
 
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I don’t know if you realize why I asked believe in what.

I, personally, have Surrendered to Jesus Christ and thusly have relinquished all of my Faith in self and by His Holy Spirit, have Faith in Him and nothing else.

When I asked; "believe What", I was hoping you would simply respond with one word that I would respond with. Jesus
He is the cause, without the affect we are but what we were. Hence the answer, through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
 
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He is the cause, without the affect we are but what we were. Hence the answer, through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
Forgive me. I'm making sure that I understand you. You are proposing that Jesus died on the cross so that He could indwell us, forgive us of our past sins, identified by the Stone Law, and then indwell us, so we can now follow the Law of Stone in our flesh, through the power of His Holy Spirit?
 
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Forgive me. I'm making sure that I understand you. You are proposing that Jesus died on the cross so that He could indwell us, forgive us of our past sins, identified by the Stone Law, and then indwell us, so we can now follow the Law of Stone?
Where did I say anything?
God has said. Through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
 
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Where did I say anything?
God has said. Through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
He is the cause, without the affect we are but what we were. Hence the answer, through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
Do the 10 commandments have power over the salvational fate of a believer, in your opinion?
 
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Do the 10 commandments have power over the salvational fate of a believer, in your opinion?
Who said anything about ten? And what has my opinion have anything to do with it. God has said I will put My Law into your hearts and in your mind will I write them. For the Word is nigh unto us. it is in your heart and in your mouth to do it. That is the Faith in which we are to preach. Christ in us the hope of glory. For we whom have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. So in likeness of His death we are also risen with Him and walk in newness of life. That the Body of sin be destroyed. For he that died is freed from sin. For He is the vine we are the branches without Him we can do nothing. But with Him all things are possible. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His Good pleasure. That the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.
 
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Forgive me. I'm making sure that I understand you. You are proposing that Jesus died on the cross so that He could indwell us, forgive us of our past sins, identified by the Stone Law, and then indwell us, so we can now follow the Law of Stone in our flesh, through the power of His Holy Spirit?
Where did I say anything?
God has said. Through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
He is the cause, without the affect we are but what we were. Hence the answer, through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
Do the 10 commandments have power over the salvational fate of a believer, in your opinion?
Who said anything about ten? And what has my opinion have anything to do with it. God has said I will put My Law into your hearts and in your mind will I write them. For the Word is nigh unto us. it is in your heart and in your mouth to do it. That is the Faith in which we are to preach. Christ in us the hope of glory. For we whom have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. So in likeness of His death we are also risen with Him and walk in newness of life. That the Body of sin be destroyed. For he that died is freed from sin. For He is the vine we are the branches without Him we can do nothing. But with Him all things are possible. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His Good pleasure. That the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.
The Law not in their heart and Mind. But through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
You keep using the word "Law". Could you please define this exact law that is written in our hearts and minds, per your specific definition?
 
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You keep using the word "Law". Could you please define this exact law that is written in our hearts and minds, per your specific definition?
We know that the sacrificial, judgmental and Temple laws were done away with in Christ via Heb. 7-9. Wherein it states He is our High Priest and sacrificial atonement. We know that the laws pertaining to dress are done away with because we who have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ Gal 3. And we know that the law and word being in our heart it is not that we do because we obey. We do now because of who we are in Christ. The Greek word keep in the phrase keep His commandments actually means guard in the Hebrew and Greek.
We as a people of God went from doing God's will through an outside source which changed nothing. To guarding who we are in Christ by continuing in Christ being guided by His Spirit to do His will. To even further emphasis this Deut 30:10-14 states that the word is in our hearts and mouths that we do it. This is paraphrased in Rom 10:6-6 in respect to us. It says in Deut 30:10-14 that this word is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. As you read that keep in mind the judgments are not included in that which is in our heart. Which is in agreement with Heb 7-9.
 
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Forgive me. I'm making sure that I understand you. You are proposing that Jesus died on the cross so that He could indwell us, forgive us of our past sins, identified by the Stone Law, and then indwell us, so we can now follow the Law of Stone in our flesh, through the power of His Holy Spirit?
Where did I say anything?
God has said. Through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
He is the cause, without the affect we are but what we were. Hence the answer, through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
Do the 10 commandments have power over the salvational fate of a believer, in your opinion?
Who said anything about ten? And what has my opinion have anything to do with it. God has said I will put My Law into your hearts and in your mind will I write them. For the Word is nigh unto us. it is in your heart and in your mouth to do it. That is the Faith in which we are to preach. Christ in us the hope of glory. For we whom have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. So in likeness of His death we are also risen with Him and walk in newness of life. That the Body of sin be destroyed. For he that died is freed from sin. For He is the vine we are the branches without Him we can do nothing. But with Him all things are possible. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His Good pleasure. That the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.
The Law not in their heart and Mind. But through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
You keep using the word "Law". Could you please define this exact law that is written in our hearts and minds, per your specific definition?
We know that the sacrificial, judgmental and Temple laws were done away with in Christ via Heb. 7-9. Wherein it states He is our High Priest. We know that the laws pertaining to dress are done away with because we who have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ Gal 3. And we know that the law and word being in our heart it is not that we do because we obey. We do now because of who we are in Christ. The Greek word keep in the phrase keep His commandments actually means guard in the Hebrew and Greek.
We as a people of God went from doing God's will through an outside source which changed nothing. To guarding who we are in Christ by continuing in Christ being guided by His Spirit to do His will. To even further emphasis this Deut 30:10-14 states that the word is in our hearts and mouths that we do it. This is paraphrased in Rom 10:6-6 in respect to us. It says in Deut 30:10-14 that this word is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. As you read that keep in mind the judgments are not included in that which is in our heart. Which is in agreement with Heb 7-9.
Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26 is the entire Giving of "The Law", Of Moses. Moses is mediating for God. The Law was given by God, through dispensation of Angels, to Moses. Here, in Deuteronomy, Moses is Giving the Law to Israel.

Are you speaking of Deuteronomy 5, when you say Law?


Please forgive the Long path of quotations, but I'm ensuring that I don't get confused in dialogue and want to make sure that I don't misunderstand you. I'm still waiting to hear what Specific Commandments or Law that you believe Jesus has wrote onto our hearts.
 
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I have enjoyed speaking to both of you on this thread. This bit of internal discussion seems to be a purposeful diagnosis of your opinion of my responses. I only speak my opinion of what I believe that the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ guides me to understand in scripture. May I ask one question?

Do you both reject or accept the concept of extra biblical prophets (male or female) that arise outside of biblical Cannon?
I think God is consistent and showed us a pattern throughout scripture that when the majority of the world goes away from God's Word, He sends a messenger to remind people to bring them back to His Word. We see this with Noah, Elijiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Nehimiah, Jonah, Isaiah and all throughout the bible. He does this because He loves His people so much. But this is usually the result.

2 Cor 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. 16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.


Nothing has changed, people who thought they were following God, rejected Jesus. Scripture tells us it will be the same as in scripture and that many who think they are doing God's work are really doing the work of the enemy.

We can easily test if someone is coming from God or not, because a false messenger will teach that God gave them authority to change His law or His Word, but God said. . .

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

And Jesus reaffirmed

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Heaven and Earth are still here and Jesus has not come in the Clouds where His saints meet Him in the air and will forever be with Jesus. So not all is fulfilled.


Scripture tells us God will give the spirit of prophecy - which is a messenger to bring us back to God's Word. These are the characteristics of His remnant and why there is such a war against God's commandments.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon (the devil) was wroth with the woman (God's true people) , and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

This is how we can test if someone is from God or not.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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Me either. I don't think there is a box we can fit all into. Reading comprehension, poor study habits, preconceived notions and ideas, spiritual blindness all come into play. But some here seem as trolls. As if they are not even serious. Just here killing time.

Pray and pray some more. Pray without ceasing.
I'll add not believing in the teachings of Jesus such as Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:17-30 or reading or trying to understand the OT. It's a sad state that we are in just as the scripture predicted and all we can do is pray.
 
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I think God is consistent and showed us a pattern throughout scripture that when the whole world goes away from God's Word, He sends a messenger to remind people to bring them back to His Word. We see this with Noah, Elijiah, Jeremiah, Nehimiah, Jonah, Isaiah and all throughout the bible. He does this because He loves His people so much. But this is usually the result.
Were Noah and Jonah under the Law of Moses?
2 Cor 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. 16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.
Jesus says this exact thing to the Teachers of Torah in Matthew 23. He says they tie up heavy burdens on peoples backs and lift not a finger to give them relief.
Nothing has changed, people who thought they were following God, rejected Jesus. Scripture tells us it will be the same as in scripture and that many who think they are doing God's work are really doing the work of the enemy.
This is a very interesting statement. Scripture clearly reveals the work of the enemy. What would you say is the "work of the enemy"?
We can easily test if someone is coming from God or not, because a false messenger will teach that God gave them authority to change His law or His Word, but God said. . .
This is interesting. Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26 is Moses giving the law in it's fullness and specifies that it cannot be modified through subtraction or addition. Jesus confirms this by saying that He came to "Fulfil" the Law and not one word would pass from it until Heaven and Earth pass away.

I thought that you and @HIM were saying that the "Law" was changed and addended. I.e. Parts were removed from it.
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
Covenant mean Promise. Jesus kept His Promise. What "Words" are you equating with being worship worthy in reference to the Old Covenant?
And Jesus reaffirmed

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
There it is. Moses affirms this with these very words.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Moses doesn't close these words until Deuteronomy 31:26

By the authority of whom do you say that words were subtracted from the Law?

Didn't you say this? "We can easily test if someone is coming from God or not, because a false messenger will teach that God gave them authority to change His law or His Word, but God said. . ."
Heaven and Earth are still here and Jesus has not come in the Clouds where His saints meet Him in the air and will forever be with Jesus. So not all is fulfilled.
Jesus didn't say "It is finished"? He said that He came to fulfill the Law. Did Jesus Fail?
Scripture tells us God will give the spirit of prophecy - which is a messenger to bring us back to God's Word. These are the characteristics of His remnant and why there is such a war against God's commandments.
The "Spirit of Prophecy" is the HOLY SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST. Do you follow someone that claims to be God?

Revelation 19:10 0 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

1 John 5:10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son.

John 4:22-24 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”


Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is the Testimony of Jesus Christ. Are you following someone's teachings that claims to be the very Spirit who raised Christ from the dead and lives within us?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon (the devil) was wroth with the woman (God's true people) , and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is the Testimony of Jesus Christ and He seals us unto salvation. What "spirit" and "seal" are you referring to?!?​
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Scripture reveals over and over that The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is the very Spirit of Prophecy. Who are you calling the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ?

1 Corinthians 2:10 Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God. 13 We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. 14 But the unbeliever does not welcome what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually. 15 The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone. 16 For


who has known the Lord’s mind,
that he may instruct Him?

But we have the mind of Christ.

This is how we can test if someone is from God or not.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Jesus is the LIVING WORD who Lives within us. He is the only Light. Jesus is the BRIGHT Morning Star. Satan is the morning star.

There is only ONE Bright LIGHT. All else is counterfeit.
 
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I'll add not believing in the teachings of Jesus such as Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:17-30 or reading or trying to understand the OT. It's a sad state that we are in just as the scripture predicted and all we can do is pray.
(Do)es the Stone Law, Decalogue, 10 Commandments have power and authority to condemn a Believer and Does Jesus use the Stone Law to Condemn Believers?
 
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No Sir. Hebrews Chapter 1. The foundation of the book of Hebrews. What is a main summary of it's message? The opening salvo of the entire book, so to speak.
Would that be that Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God... not just a messenger?
 
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He is the cause, without the affect we are but what we were. Hence the answer, through Christ WE have the Law in our heart and mind. We are Begotten by the word of truth, A new creature, and all is new and of God. He is the First among many brethren. It is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. As Jesus said, He doeth the work. And greater things shall you do because I go unto the Father. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you. I in you, you in Me that the world might believe.
Does this mean that Jesus is the cause, but you are the affect/effect?
Is it you that effects your obedience?
 
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Were Noah and Jonah under the Law of Moses?
All of God's people keep God's law Rev 14:12. Who said anything about Moses.

Jesus says this exact thing to the Teachers of Torah in Matthew 23. He says they tie up heavy burdens on peoples backs and lift not a finger to give them relief.
So you think Jesus contradicts God- this passage has nothing to do with what God said in 2 Cor 26:15
This is a very interesting statement. Scripture clearly reveals the work of the enemy. What would you say is the "work of the enemy"?
Countermanding God and Jesus like Psa 89:34 Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 John 14:15 Mat 2:27 Isa 56:1-6 Exodus 20 or anything else on what God said.
This is interesting. Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26 is Moses giving the law in it's fullness and specifies that it cannot be modified through subtraction or addition. Jesus confirms this by saying that He came to "Fulfil" the Law and not one word would pass from it until Heaven and Earth pass away.
Heaven and Earth are still here and not all of the Prophecies have been fulfilled and Jesus was clear- He never said until some things are fulfilled, He said ALL which verse 19 would not make sense the way you are interpreting His Words because breaking the least of these commandments effects our status in heaven not until Jesus died on the Cross, which we weren't even born then.

Mathhew 5: 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Sadly, many gloss over this warning from Jesus.
I thought that you and @HIM were saying that the "Law" was changed and addended. I.e. Parts were removed from it.
God's eternal law the Ten Commandments can not be changed, it was personally spoke and written by God in Stone and no one has authority over God to change one jot or tittle and the commandments Jesus was referring to is the Ten Commandments where thou shalt not murder or commit adultery come from, the commandments that shows us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 hence why the Ten Commandments were inside the ark of the Covenant and sits under His mercy seat Rev 11:19 where Judgement and Mercy comes together.
Covenant mean Promise. Jesus kept His Promise. What "Words" are you equating with being worship worthy in reference to the Old Covenant?
Covenant means agreement and Jesus does not break His covenants or Promises.

God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 He does not break His Word or Promise.

Which is why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not "better" laws- as it still has God's law now written in our hearts. Heb 8:10 Based on His doing, we just need to cooperate and not rebel. Rom 8:7-8
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about this. No we cannot edit God's commandments, not then, not now because we are not God, but are to be His servants.
By the authority of whom do you say that words were subtracted from the Law?
What law am I subtracting from.
Didn't you say this? "We can easily test if someone is coming from God or not, because a false messenger will teach that God gave them authority to change His law or His Word, but God said. . ."

Jesus didn't say "It is finished"? He said that He came to fulfill the Law. Did Jesus Fail?
Jesus is referring to His covenant that ratified at His Cross- nothing can be added to His covenant. Which is why we see the faithful disciples faithing keeping God's commandments decades after the Cross because teaching others to break and breaking the least of His commandments leaves someone outside the gates of heaven Mat 5:19-20 Mat 7:23 Rev 22:14-15 because it shows a lack of faith in God's Word to do them. James 1:22
Do you follow someone that claims to be God?
Nope.
Revelation 19:10 0 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

1 John 5:10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son.
The spirit of prophecy testifies of Jesus Christ no doubt.
John 4:22-24 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Yes and what did Jesus warn about how someone "worships in vain" false worship. Lets look

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (direct quote from the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.

9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

False worship is keeping our rules overing obeying God's commandments- True worship is keeping God's commandments, just as He wrote and He spoke- because there is no Greater Authority than God

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Compare this to the previous verse. Rev 12:11
Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is the Testimony of Jesus Christ. Are you following someone's teachings that claims to be the very Spirit who raised Christ from the dead and lives within us?

Ephesians 1:13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is the Testimony of Jesus Christ and He seals us unto salvation. What "spirit" and "seal" are you referring to?!?​

Scripture reveals over and over that The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is the very Spirit of Prophecy. Who are you calling the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ?
This is referring to the Holy Spirit- notice the capital letters, its not what its referring to in Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

This is about God raising messengers to testify of Jesus- to bring us back to His Word- just like He did over and over again in scriptures. If you don't think God is capable of raising messengers now to testify about Him, your opinion is noted.
 
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All of God's people keep God's law Rev 14:12. Who said anything about Moses.


So you think Jesus is contradicts God- this passage has nothing to do with what God said in 2 Cor 26:15

Countermanding God and Jesus like Psa 89:34 Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 John 14:15 Mat 2:27 Isa 56:1-6 Exodus 20 or anything else on what God said.

Heaven and Earth are still here and not all of the Prophecies have been fulfilled and Jesus was clear- He never said until some things are fulfilled, He said ALL which verse 19 would not make sense the way you are interpreting His Words because breaking the least of these commandments effects our status in heaven not until Jesus died on the Cross, which we weren't even born then.

Mathhew 5: 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Sadly, many gloss over this warning from Jesus.

God's eternal law the Ten Commandments can not be changed, it was personally written and spoken by God in Stone and no one has authority over God to change one jot or tittle and the commandments Jesus was referring to is the Ten Commanemtns where thou shalt not murder or commit adultery come from, the commandments that shows us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 hence why the Ten Commandments were inside the ark of the Covenant and sits under His mercy seat Rev 11:19 where Judgement and Mercy comes together.

Covenant means agreement and Jesus does not break His covenants or Promises.

God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 He does not break His Word or Promise.

Which is why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not "better" laws- as it still has God's law now written in our hearts. Heb 8:10 Based on His doing, we just need to cooperate and not rebel. Rom 8:7-8

I'm not sure what you don't understand about this. No we cannot edit God's commandments, not then, not now.

What law am I subtracting from.

Jesus is referring to His covenant that ratified at His Cross- nothing can be added to His covenant. Which is why we see the faithful disciples faithing keeping God's commandments decades after the Cross because teaching others to break and breaking the least of His commandments leaves someone outside the gates of heaven Mat 5:19-20 Mat 7:23 Rev 22:14-15 because it shows a lack of faith in God's Word to do them. James 1:22

Nope.

The spirit of prophecy testifies of Jesus Christ no doubt.

Yes and what did Jesus warn about how someone "worships in vain" false worship. Lets look

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (direct quote from the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.

9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

False worship is keeping our rules overing obeying God's commandments- True worship is keeping God's commandments, just as He wrote and He spoke- because there is no Greater Authority than God

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Compare this to the previous verse. Rev 12:11

This is referring to the Holy Spirit- notice the capital letters, its not what its referring to in Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

This is about God raising messengers to testify on Jesus- to bring us back to His Word- just like He did over and over again in scriptures. If you don't think God is capable of raising messengers now to testify about Him, its noted.
I have enjoyed our conversation. The Spirit of Prophecy is the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... The Testimony of Jesus is also, The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

I’m not replacing Him. He is the anchor of my soul. There is only room for Jesus in my soul.

John 5:41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
 
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I’m not replacing Him. He is the anchor of my soul. There is only room for Jesus in my soul.

John 5:41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
I agree, we should never believe anyone that comes in their own name or wants to change Gods times and laws as we are warned. Dan 7:25 Isa 8:20 Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-15
 
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Christians are to strive for holiness and obedience, but they are not saved by their own effort or perfection. They are saved by God's grace and mercy, and that same grace empowers them to live a life worthy of their calling.
Yes, this is the Christian faith, as understood and taught by the early churches and ECFs. That “life worthy of their calling” must be in place, in any case, or their calling and election is highly suspect, to put mildly.
 
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Yes, this is the Christian faith, as understood and taught by the early churches and ECFs. That “life worthy of their calling” must be in place, in any case, or their calling and election is highly suspect, to put mildly.
I try my best, though Jesus can help me, as Proverbs says.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV): "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight."

This passage encourages us to trust fully in the Lord and not rely on our own wisdom or understanding. It also urges us to submit our ways to God, who will make our paths straight. This means that when we choose to follow God's will, we can trust that He will guide us and lead us in the right direction.
 
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