Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

[trophy33]

Great example - and when Jesus says I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. that's not literal either. I think I'm starting to get how you think.

Can you demonstrate how truth, life etc. can be literal or non-literal? I hoped you can distinguish between abstract terms like "life" and concrete terms like "door".

 

[Platte]

Can you demonstrate how truth, life etc. can be literal or non-literal? I hoped you can distinguish between abstract terms like "love" and concrete terms like "door".

Do you take anything God says literally? Do you even believe the Bible is the Word of God? The Great Liar is not God. Jesus sure took the words of Moses literally.

 

[trophy33]

Do you take anything God says literally? Do you even believe the Bible is the Word of God? The Great Liar is not God. Jesus sure took the words of Moses literally.

I am beginning to be suspicious that you do not understand what the term "literally" means, if you cannot distinguish between sentences like "I am the truth" and "I am the door".

 

[Platte]

I am beginning to be suspicious that you do not understand what the term "literally" means, if you cannot distinguish between sentences like "I am the truth" and "I am the door".

You say not to take Genesis literally....but then are unable to say what Genesis says literally. The literal reading of Genesis tells us that Creation took God 6 (24hour)days and was approximately 6000 years ago. You struggle to even accept that as the literal reading - but when someone claims that Creation took God 6 (24hour)days and was approximately 6000 years ago you say Genesis should not be read literally.. lol

 

[trophy33]

You say not to take Genesis literally....but then are unable to say what Genesis says literally. The literal reading of Genesis tells us that Creation took God 6 (24)days and was approximately 6000 years ago. You struggle to even accept that as the literal reading - but when someone claims that Creation took God 6 (24)days and was approximately 6000 years ago you say Genesis should not be read literally.. lol

Your post does not make much sense, IMO.

 

[Platte]

Your post does not make much sense, IMO.

its about distinguishing between sentences as you stated earlier. Its pretty obvious when something should be taken literally or not isnt it? I pity those who didn't take Noah literally....or Lot literally....or even worse - God literally.

 

[truthpls]

Genesis does not describe how the physical world works. Thats not the purpose of Genesis.

Yes it describes how it started. God made it. The bible also further illuminates us that it is by God that things consist. There is more than the beginning talked about in the bible.

It does not actually depends on who. The flat earth cosmology was common for basically all ancient cultures.

So was human sacrifice and idol worship..so?

They all thought that the firmament is a solid dome in the shape of a bowl, that there is ocean or waters above it and waters under the Earth.

No, not all. God's people said no such thing. Stop peddling old wive's tales as fact

 

[truthpls]

Your post does not make much sense, IMO.

Except that it is clear and states your position quite well.

 

[Ace777]

Of course not. For example, Jesus is not the door of sheep, literally (J 10:7)

Yes, Jesus is the Gate, He is the Door. There is no other way to enter in other than through Jesus. This is the first letter in the Bible BET. God is the Head of the House but His Son is the door or the gate to determine who enters in or leaves the house.

 

[expos4ever]

Jesus was clear that you can’t believe in evolution and be a Christian

How did Jesus make this clear? Evolution was not even a concept 2000 years ago.

 

[trophy33]

Its pretty obvious when something should be taken literally or not isnt it?

Obviously not, if some people read Genesis like a scientific book or even create "Creationism museums" with all kinds of misunderstanding in it.

 

[trophy33]

Yes it describes how it started. God made it. The bible also further illuminates us that it is by God that things consist. There is more than the beginning talked about in the bible.

The Bible uses several non-literal concepts of how God created the universe, for example:
- the 7 days temple inauguration (Genesis 1)
- killing of the female Leviathan, the semitic god of primeval chaos (Psalm 74, several places in Isaiah...)

Looking for some hidden scientific mysteries in the texts actually hinders the understanding of the texts.

So was human sacrifice and idol worship..so?

So nothing. The point is that both the biblical authors and all the nations around them had the same or very similar cosmological concepts - for example the flat earth.

No, not all. God's people said no such thing. Stop peddling old wive's tales as fact

You can learn more for example here:

 

[trophy33]

Yes, Jesus is the Gate, He is the Door. There is no other way to enter in other than through Jesus. This is the first letter in the Bible BET. God is the Head of the House but His Son is the door or the gate to determine who enters in or leaves the house.

But He is not a literal gate. And we are not literal sheep.

 

[expos4ever]

But He is not a literal gate. And we are not literal sheep.

Excellent point, this establishes beyond any doubt whatsoever that one cannot simply assume everything in scripture is literal. Of course, the fact that no reasonable person would take Jesus to be a literal gate does not, by itself, prove that the creation account is metaphorical.

But, and this is the key point, it establishes that one cannot, legitimately anyway, argue that the creation account must be literal based on some general principle that everything scripture is to be taken literally. Clearly, such a principle cannot be used because, if it could, we would have to believe that Jesus is a literal gate and we are literally sheep.

 

[Platte]

How did Jesus make this clear? Evolution was not even a concept 2000 years ago.

Moses said we were Created by God on Day 6 in His image He created us.

 

[Platte]

Obviously not, if some people read Genesis like a scientific book or even create "Creationism museums" with all kinds of misunderstanding in it.

It’s a History book not a scientific book.

 

[expos4ever]

Moses said we were Created by God on Day 6 in His image He created us.

Ok, but did Jesus directly endorse what Moses said about this?

In any event, my belief is that Jesus probably did believe the Mosaic account even though we now know the earth was created billions of years ago.

Am I saying Jesus was "mistaken"? Well, in a sense I am indeed saying this. However, I would counter that by virtue of being incarnated as a human being, Jesus's knowledge was necessarily imperfect. For example, I would bet that if someone asked Jesus about general relativity, He would have no idea what that person was talking about.

In short, I suggest the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming, it is silly to believe in the standard young Earth creation model and clinging desperately to the young Earth view makes us seem scientifically illiterate and naive.

 

[expos4ever]

It’s a History book not a scientific book.

Do you believe that Adam has an encounter with a talking snake in the Garden of Eden? I believe this is a useful image that we are not to take literally.

 

[frienden thalord]

Yes it describes how it started. God made it. The bible also further illuminates us that it is by God that things consist. There is more than the beginning talked about in the bible.

So was human sacrifice and idol worship..so?

No, not all. God's people said no such thing. Stop peddling old wive's tales as fact

actually flat earth is not taught at all in the bible my friend .
But this is , HE who sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth . Just a reminder to help you out my friend
in this battle . It actually says CIRCLE of the EARTH . round , sphere . It do say this
IN issiah . they never thought the earth was flat . now some men might have thought so
but the BIBLE never taught so . IN fact the BIBLE exposes this flat earth theory big time .

 

[frienden thalord]

But He is not a literal gate. And we are not literal sheep.

but the POINT is HE be the ONLY Way .
the truth is we are as dumb as sheep , and in total and dire need of GOD .
these words were to make A POINT my friend . now
as far as other areas Its quite literal .
The LORD through the prophets actually used many analogies too .
What will ye do in the SWELLINGS of the JORDAN .
aka ,
the river represented peoples , peoples that would come against them .
Many expressions make a point about THE TRUTH .
the LITERAL TRUTH , though it be used in a metaphorical sense .
Like he , the dragon casts out of his mouth A FLOOD
after the woman . THAT flood represents people under the influence of the dragon
who are going after the woman to persecute her . often trees , seas and waters
, even stars in are used to describe a literal event . THOUGH they represent peoples and etc .