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Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

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Ace777

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Animals had eyes before man, and some are the most advanced vision on the planet.
Simple light detection is found in bacteria, single-celled organisms, plants and animals. Complex, image-forming eyes have evolved independently several times. Charles Darwin himself wrote in his Origin of Species, that the evolution of the eye by natural selection seemed at first glance "absurd in the highest possible degree".[3] However, he went on that despite the difficulty in imagining it, its evolution was perfectly feasible:

When you consider the eye of an eagle that is pretty amazing. The eagle eye is among the sharpest in the animal kingdom, with an eyesight estimated at 4 to 8 times stronger than that of the average human. Although an eagle may only weigh 10 pounds, its eyes are roughly the same size as those of a human.

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Simple light detection is found in bacteria, single-celled organisms, plants and animals. Complex, image-forming eyes have evolved independently several times. Charles Darwin himself wrote in his Origin of Species, that the evolution of the eye by natural selection seemed at first glance "absurd in the highest possible degree".[3] However, he went on that despite the difficulty in imagining it, its evolution was perfectly feasible:

When you consider the eye of an eagle that is pretty amazing.
Yes and eyes like the mantis shows intelligent design, it's basically one of kind. Man can even produce optics that advanced. Though some things about them have been discovered and are used in technology today. Got a ways to go to figure out the biotechnology fully.
 
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When you consider the eye of an eagle that is pretty amazing. The eagle eye is among the sharpest in the animal kingdom, with an eyesight estimated at 4 to 8 times stronger than that of the average human. Although an eagle may only weigh 10 pounds, its eyes are roughly the same size as those of a human.

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Some species of Dragonflies can see up to 300 frames per second, that pretty amazingly fast. By comparison humans see between 30-60 fps.
 
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This is just useless playing with words. Why can not you simply accept that our science and the Bible are not the same genre? And you will not need to create this weird needless dancing around it.
It is completely important and relevant that God was the key factor in creation. The bible says He spoke and it happened. We are also told that by Him all things consist and that without Him was not made anything that was made. The bible contains that science. Modern science is in the dark about it. Of course modern science is not the same genre as the truth. Modern science is a focus on the bits of how creation works that man can understand. Science does not know what the strong nuclear force is. Nor other forces. If science cannot see that God holds it all together, how would they possibly know how it really works and worked at creation? A lobotomized ant would have more of a clue.
Moses is the traditional author, the book was included under his name. But it was a common habit to ascribe authorship to a known, prominent figure.
In other words you do not know. But apparently you do not want it to be Moses.
There is no wide acceptance that Moses was the literal author of Genesis, between people educated in the topic.
No one knows so how could anyone be educated in knowing? Moses appeared to Jesus on the mountain, so why would God not have used him? You know of no one else so why the doubt fest?
There is little evidence that the book even existed before the Babylonian captivity.
Or not
You can study it, if you are interested. You may start with wikipedia and follow the sources: Book of Genesis - Wikipedia

Your link says that one reason they doubt Moses wrote it is because they imagine some contradictions in the first chapters of Genesis. That is not true. In fact it is a Satanic lie.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis
Except of creation, nothing of the list is a scientific fact. Creation in the meaning of our universe having a beginning can be seen as a scientific fact, yes.
No. The ways they determine the beginning have no substance. The beginning that science imagines is not the real beginning spoken about by God. For example the stars were made after planet earth
If you think that the biblical firmament is the scientific notion of space, you really do not understand what the biblical authors meant.
The bible says stars were made in that firmament and the sun and moon. We also know they move, so obviously there was no metal sky or whatever you are dreaming about.
 
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There is also a belief that something is oral tradition long before they write it down.
How long we don't know. Since God wrote the bible it doesn't matter! God used men to pipe the bible down to mankind.
 
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The bible says stars were made in that firmament and the sun and moon
We have science to explain to us what the Bible is telling us. Genesis 1 6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." The first firmament has to do with the water. The water below and the water above. This is why God created fish and birds at the same time. The fish in the water below and the birds in the water above. Fish swim and birds fly. Because the water above is lighter and we call it air. If the water becomes to heavy the window open and the water falls to the earth.

The other firmament which is really the same but it has to do with light. The light from the sun, moon and stars. The light from a star that can be billions of light years away can show up in our sky in a instant of time. Because there is NO TIME at the speed of light. This is why we can still see the light from the early universe. The universe expands faster than the speed of light. So we can see what the universe looked like in the beginning.
 
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God wrote the bible it doesn't matter!
God said, God saw God and God called. Man wrote. God did write the commandments, they are in the ark wherever that is. Along with the manna, Gods provision and the Staff, Gods leadership.

Genesis 1 3 And God said, “Let there be light,”a and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”
 
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The verse says walks not ride.

Psalm 104:3 (NKJV)
3 He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
Check other translations than the NKJV, for example NIV:

He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.

As with many places in the Bible, it depends on how the translator understands the ambiguity of the original languages.
 
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The sun produces light through a process called nuclear fusion, which occurs when hydrogen atoms collide and fuse into helium. This process releases energy that builds up and reaches temperatures of 15 million degrees Fahrenheit in the sun's core.

Earth's atmosphere absorbs and reflects solar radiation. When sunlight enters the atmosphere, it changes direction and is refracted, which forms a virtual image of the sun during sunrise and sunset. The light also scatters more when the sun is close to the horizon, especially longer wavelengths like yellow, orange, and red, which creates colorful skies. This is due to particles in the atmosphere scattering light from the sun.

When a ray of light approaches a smooth polished surface and the light ray bounces back, it is called the reflection of light. The incident light ray that land on the surface is reflected off the surface. The ray that bounces back is called the reflected ray.

When light hits the retina (a light-sensitive layer of tissue at the back of the eye), special cells called photoreceptors turn the light into electrical signals. These electrical signals travel from the retina through the optic nerve to the brain. The brain's visual cortex processes the images and allows us to see.

The frequency of visible light is approximately 400–700 terahertz (THz), with a THz being a unit of frequency equal to one trillion Hertz. The human eye typically responds to wavelengths from about 380 to about 750 nanometers (nm), which corresponds to a frequency range of approximately 400–790 THz. However, these boundaries are not sharply defined and may vary per individual.

Of course it is all a lot more complicated than this but this gives us a simple understanding of what is happening. The main thing is light is filtered and light is reflected. The primary colors are different for filtered light and reflected light.

If you want to know more I have a text book here on the eyes and how we are able to perceive what we see.

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Thats not the context of my post. The context is that the biblical firmament does not mean what we call space.
 
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It is completely important and relevant that God was the key factor in creation.
Thats fine, but its not a scientific point. Its a theological point. And it does not mean that Genesis is literal or even scientific.

The bible says He spoke and it happened.
Thats fine, but the Bible does not present scientific claims, it presents theological claims.

In other words you do not know. But apparently you do not want it to be Moses.
Irrelevant.

No one knows so how could anyone be educated in knowing? Moses appeared to Jesus on the mountain, so why would God not have used him? You know of no one else so why the doubt fest?
Irrelevant.

Your link says that one reason they doubt Moses wrote it is because they imagine some contradictions in the first chapters of Genesis. That is not true. In fact it is a Satanic lie.
This is not a a proper argument.

No. The ways they determine the beginning have no substance. The beginning that science imagines is not the real beginning spoken about by God. For example the stars were made after planet earth
I do not claim that the scientific view is compatible with the literal reading of Genesis. Actually, I claim the opposite, the whole time. Bible is not a scientific library/book.

The bible says stars were made in that firmament and the sun and moon. We also know they move, so obviously there was no metal sky or whatever you are dreaming about.
I do not dream about anything of this kind. If you are interested in what the people in the ancient Near East meant by the firmament and what kind of cosmology they had, you must simply study it, it will not come without an effort.
 
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I'm not a believer of evolution but I don't reject it either. I don't think a Christian is required to reject evolution because personally I don't think evolution and creation are at odds. I guess it all boils down to whether you see God as a designer to be comfortable with harmonizing evolution and creation. Regardless, The Nicene creed is what is important.

There are more important topics in regards to christian views, such as apologetic/theological topics than the topic of evolution.
Yeah it’s good to dismiss God created everything and believing we evolved from a single cell organism instead. Jesus was clear that you can’t believe in evolution and be a Christian
 
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Yeah it’s good to dismiss God created everything and believing we evolved from a single cell organism instead.
God created the universe. The rest is outcome of various processes and always changing.

God did not create you, nor the house you live in, the road for your car, your car, the dog of your neighbor, nor the cow or banana you have eaten for lunch.

God makes it possible for everything to exist and to evolve, but nothing we have today was created in any fiat, finished form we see today. Nothing today is the same as yesterday. If everything is obviously evolving and changing, there is no logical problem with God creating only the initial parameters of the universe.
 
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God created the universe. The rest is outcome of various processes and always changing.

God did not create you, nor the house you live in, the road for your car, your car, the dog of your neighbor, nor the cow or banana you have eaten for lunch.

God makes it all possible to exist and to evolve, but its not created in any literal, fiat, finished way. Nothing today is the same as yesterday.
He created the universe and all that is in it in 6 days...approx 6000 years ago.

Day 1: God created the heaven and the earth and light
Day 2: God created a separation of water
Day 3: God created the dry land by gathering together of the waters, God created plants and their yielding seeds
Day 4: God created the sun, moon, stars
Day 5: God created every living creature in the sea and the birds.
Day 6: God created every living creature on earth - including man/woman
Day 7: God rested

In six days God made the heaven and the earth, the sea - and all that is in them.

He didn't just create the universe and the rest being an outcome of various processes and always changing.
 
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He created the universe and all that is in it in 6 days
No, God did not create you, nor your house. Nor the forest you have behind your house, nor the road in front of your house.

Everything you see today is a result of constant change - biological, geological, technological etc. If you do not believe that, check old photos.

God created the initial state and conditions.
 
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No, God did not create you, nor your house. Nor the forest you have behind your house, nor the road in front of your house.

Everything you see today is a result of constant change - biological, geological, technological etc. If you do not believe that, check old photos.

God created the initial state and conditions.
Initial state and conditions:

Day 1: God created the heaven and the earth and light
Day 2: God created a separation of water
Day 3: God created the dry land by gathering together of the waters, God created plants and their yielding seeds
Day 4: God created the sun, moon, stars
Day 5: God created every living creature in the sea and the birds.
Day 6: God created every living creature on earth - including man/woman
Day 7: God rested

Man and woman were created on day 6. Creation took 6 days to complete - approximately 6000 years ago
 
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We have science to explain to us what the Bible is telling us. Genesis 1 6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." The first firmament has to do with the water. The water below and the water above. This is why God created fish and birds at the same time. The fish in the water below and the birds in the water above. Fish swim and birds fly. Because the water above is lighter and we call it air. If the water becomes to heavy the window open and the water falls to the earth.
Except the sun and stars were also put IN that firmament. So the part of space or the heavens near earth is where birds are. Also, water never fell to earth at that time it rose from below. Looks like science doesn't actually explain anything there after all.
The other firmament which is really the same but it has to do with light. The light from the sun, moon and stars. The light from a star that can be billions of light years away can show up in our sky in a instant of time. Because there is NO TIME at the speed of light.
Proof?
This is why we can still see the light from the early universe. The universe expands faster than the speed of light. So we can see what the universe looked like in the beginning.
Nice story. The earth was here first so whatever you see and speculate about was not a universe at the beginning.
 
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Except the sun and stars were also put IN that firmament
Didn't I just write a post on how the firmament effects the light from the sun, moon and stars. You can filter, refract and reflect light. Like a stained glass window the firmament has a effect on the light as it passes through.
 
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Nice story. The earth was here first so whatever you see and speculate about was not a universe at the beginning.
Where did the earth come from? Does the universe revolve around the earth? Does the Sun revolve around the Earth?
 
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