Yet Again, At Planet Fitness...

[BNR32FAN]

Nobody can pray for “deliverance“ like a Christian gay boy; mostly they have to “suffer“ with it until they don’t.

I don’t see homosexuality being any harder to overcome than any other sin. When I first came to Christ I struggled with drugs, fornication, and pornography which are pretty much the same to overcome. It takes dedication to God to accomplish it.

 

[Pommer]

I don’t see homosexuality being any harder to overcome than any other sin. When I first came to Christ I struggled with drugs, fornication, and inappropriate contentography which are pretty much the same to overcome. It takes dedication to God to accomplish it.

A person’s entire sexuality is “wrong” and “sinful”, but all they need do is have faith?

 

[BPPLEE]

I mean… Remove the part about the 17yo and you’ve just described a whole sub genre of inappropriate contentography.

(or so I’m told)

She’s described disorderly conduct and harassment but not indecent exposure if we’re talking about being naked in a locker room in front of people of the same sex

 

[BNR32FAN]

A person’s entire sexuality is “wrong” and “sinful”, but all they need do is have faith?

Yeah just like all the other temptations out there that Christians have to overcome.

 

[BCP1928]

I don’t see homosexuality being any harder to overcome than any other sin. When I first came to Christ I struggled with drugs, fornication, and inappropriate contentography which are pretty much the same to overcome. It takes dedication to God to accomplish it.

How did you overcome the temptation to be a homosexual?

 

[BNR32FAN]

How did you overcome the temptation to be a homosexual?

By being completely disgusted by it my entire life.

 

[Pommer]

By being completely disgusted by it my entire life.

It’s easy to condemn sins one has no inclination to engage in.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It’s easy to condemn sins one has no inclination to engage in.

Are you implying that there are sins that I don’t condemn? If so please list them.

 

[Pommer]

Are you implying that there are sins that I don’t condemn? If so please list them.

I’m implying that if one isn’t drawn to commit “sin” X, it is easy to condemn those who do commit “sin” X.

 

[rjs330]

North Carolina man arrested after stripping in Planet Fitness women's locker room in front of minor: report

A man, who said he was transgendered, was arrested after he allegedly stripped naked in the women's locker room at a Planet Fitness gym in North Carolina and exposed himself to a minor.

www.foxnews.com

Man uses liberals to sexually harass women...

No seriously, that thing that basically all conservatives said would happen when liberals passed laws to allow men into women's only spaces like restrooms and locker rooms and showers....keeps happening in these establishments that have allowed men into women's spaces.

"It’s a man, but he says he identifies as a woman, and he won’t leave the restroom," the 911 caller told an emergency dispatcher. "But he is just walking around showing us his — and he won’t leave."

I recall posters saying this wouldn't be a problem because "what kind of man is going to claim to be a woman just to use the women's restroom?" Fortunately, there's a picture of the deviant for those who posted such things in the past.

I know that some people here will doubt it....but I've even seen posters suggest this is the problem of the old lady who called 911 and the 17yo girl who felt "uncomfortable" with this man in the women's locker room. Before anyone suggests that this man isn't supposed to be in the women's locker room....note that he did say the magic words "I identify as a woman" so according to policy, both of Planet Fitness and this administration, he should be able to use the women's locker room.

Thoughts?

Sigh..... That's all I got right now.

 

[rjs330]

I think this is evidence of what happens when the attempt to solve a problem doesn't involve any sort of common sense limiting principle.

On the liberal extreme of "as long as someone says they feel like a woman, that's good enough, they get to go into the womens locker room", you end up with people like this strolling into the women/girls changing facility:
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(it is just me, or does it look like his hairdo is flipping me off...but I digress)

On the conservative extreme, you have the position of "if you're born male, you have to use the mens/boys changing facility, no exceptions", which means that Blaire White will be changing and showering in there with adolescent males

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Which I think goes without saying...if Blaire was in there undressing around peoples' sons, the same people would have a problem with it.


So that gets us back to the age old question, what do we do? I know progressives aren't keen on using the "passable" standard as a basis for this, but it would solve a lot of problems and be the path of least resistance from my vantage point.

This idea of 'we have to structure our entire society around a 0.5% outlier and the other 95.5% just has to get used to it' clearly isn't yielding good results in terms of cohesiveness.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but doesn't Blair still have all the male genitalia? If so, Blair shouldn't be in either locker room getting naked. Blair should go to the gym, go home and shower at home. It's not up to the rest of us to try and figure out if boys should be seeing Blairs breasts or girls should be seeing Blairs penis. Blair will just have to be inconvenienced for the sake of everyone else. Especially so real women won't have to worry about the dude running around naked in the women's spaces.

 

[rjs330]

course if a women wants to enter into a male locker room and expose herself, I do not think anyone would object to that.

Well I'm not sure I agree with that. There would be men who would object and would also rather not change in front of a woman either. That's the other part that is sometimes overlooked. If a woman sees a man in their space they don't want to get undressed in front of him and they don't want him getting naked in front of them either.

 

[rjs330]

I think if they allowed or didn’t allow people to use the locker room associated with their declared gender, this person still would have found a reason to go into the women’s locker room to do what he did. I don’t think a policy that said “people must go to the locker room that is associated with their physiological birth gender” would have made him say “oh man, I can’t go in there.”

You might be surprised. The moment someone sayle him walking in they probably would have said, wrong locker room dude. But people are so afraid to say something these days. It takes courage now to speak up. I'm glad someone did.

 

[rjs330]

The name matches and the photo looks like the same guy in the mugshot:

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His bio says he's bipolar and gay. Maybe he was in the middle of an episode?

I don't think bi-polar makes people think they are the opposite sex. Does it?

 

[rjs330]

Regardless of whether you're trans or cisgendered, you're not allowed to go waving your junk at people in the locker room.

As I've been told by many leftists around here he wasn't waiving his junk around. He was just walking around naked.

 

[rjs330]

Which is what happened here… A law was enforced when the person in question broke one. Planet Fitness has a policy, it was violated, and along with that violation a law was broken, and action was taken.

Though don’t think I didn’t notice you ignored what my post said.

So you support laws that are used to prohibit men from entering women's lockers rooms and getting naked? Even if they identify as a woman?

 

[returntosender]

Strange thread

 

[rjs330]

“Planet Fitness does not tolerate verbal or physical harassment of any member or team member for any reason. Violations by members may result in cancellation of membership.”

“Maintain awareness and comply with all applicable laws and regulations of the countries of their operations.”

“Respect and courtesy are essential components of a comfortable, Judgement Free Zone®. Please respect the personal space of others…”

“We ask that members respect the privacy and comfort of other members by practicing modesty in the locker rooms and remaining covered as much as possible”



You really think that a woman can get totally naked in a locker room, walk around said locker room naked while being belligerent, and cap it off by asking a 17 year old to shower with them and it’s totally ok as long as the people she is doing it in front of and towards other cis women?

What do you think women do in bathrooms and locker rooms…?

Are you somehow missing the point of this? This wouldn't have happened if he wasn't able to be there in the first place. I don't know if I've ever heard of a case where a woman did what this man did. You are focusing on the wrong things. Did you actually read therw statement? Why do you think they created this with the whole Judgement Free Zone etc. Was it because women were running around naked harassing each other. Well obviously not by your last comment. No it was created because of the whole transgender issue with men.

 

[rjs330]

Does Leonardo DiCaprio having 19 year old girlfriends count? That technically is a "teenager".


Sarcasm aside, as a referenced earlier, what makes this subject so tricky is the fact that, in essence, we could have two people who are in the same situation and same mindset, but get perceived differently based on how "passable" they are.

Admittedly, I don't have a good answer to how we solve that.

At the end of the day
"Do you want penises in the womens facility, or breasts in the mens facility? Pick your poison" is the conundrum.

The people who would be outraged about male downstairs parts in the womens facility, would be equally outraged by the more convincing looking transwomen exposing the upstairs parts in mens facility.

People gotta change somewhere.


With the pass-ability aspect, people who look like Blaire White and Buck Angel (and I'd advise that people don't google image search those names for more pics unless you want an eyeful of something you weren't planning on seeing)
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Aren't going to get any flack using the the bathroom of their preference (Blaire on the left was born male, Buck was born female...they called this picture "straight: with extra steps")


In fact, they'd probably get a lot of flack for using the other facility that actually matches their birth sex.


At the same time, there are others who don't "pass" as well, despite the fact that they're in the same mindset and psychological situation as these two.

And that brings up another caveat, which is that someone's intentions are judged based on how well the hormones worked to help them achieve the desired "look".

Some will say that Blaire is sincere about it because the hormones were obviously pretty successful in getting the desired look, but will assume that someone is "faking it to see naked girls" if they happen to still have the 5 o'clock shadow and broad shoulders and still look like a man.

The tough part is that for the people who want to abuse it, they are going to kinda look like the person who the hormones weren't all that successful for.


Again, I don't have a great answer for this situation lol.
(assuming others don't either, otherwise we wouldn't be in national turmoil over it)

I think restrooms are fairly easy to deal with. If you look like a dude use the dudes room. If you look like a woman use the women's room. I've said this before. If people don't know they wont say anything unless you show them your junk.

Locker rooms are different. People get naked in there all the time. If Blair walked in washed her hands no one would be the wiser. But if she took her clothes off it would be different. Same with Buck. It's like I've said, they chose this way. This is on them to figure out. If you got the parts of the opposite sex stay out of the locker rooms where people don't have to b exposed to them or expose themselves to someone of the opposite sex.

 

[Gene2memE]

Josh Duggar got sentenced to 12 years just for having pictures of an underage girl on his computer.

He had videos and multiple images of the violent sexual abuse of multiple children, including toddlers, on his computer.

Saying it was "just for having pictures of an underage girl on his computer" is a bit like arguing that drinking an entire barrel of scotch is "just having a little drink".