Ex-NFL Player Slams Minnesota AG Ellison for His Lawsuit Against Trump Admin Over Ban on Boys Playing Girls’ Sports

[RileyG]

In McNabb’s case a biological male volleyball player spiked the ball so hard it caused her injuries. But we’re supposed to believe that the ball wasn’t hit very hard

SMH

Keep men off of women's sports. It only leads to trouble.

Sad.

 

[Valletta]

Trump has written executive orders for everything, probably more than any president.
I'm afraid that banning biological males from girls sports is a popular EO.
Maybe with enough research trans athletes could compete after 3 years of hormone suppression, taking them out of high school sports where they seem to have the greatest advantage and having them compete in college.
Still Lea Thomas retained an advantage even after meeting NCAA standards so more research needs to be done.
Most people want to allow others to be who they want to be and treat them with respect but as far as sports it's a fairness issue .
Other people take the side of the trans athlete no matter what.
I remember on one thread there was a video of a biological male slinging a female to the ground in a basketball game and posters were criticizing the female for bad form

Trans should compete against trans.

 

[RileyG]

Trans should compete against trans.

That’s probably the fairest thing to do, eh?

 

[Hans Blaster]

You watched the whole match?

About half of it. It was a pretty solid match. The hitting was harder than I'd expected. The player who hit the ball that cause the injury was not the hardest hitter. The hard hits were about half as often as I am used to and were not blocked or dug as often.

Given that I saw plenty of shots that were similar or harder than the shot that caused the injury, I feel safe in my rough assessment.

Oh you have a velocity and impact meter?

If I had video editing software and a lot of time I could measure the velocities (or at least relative velocities), but I don't.

More important than the specific speed of that shot, was the incorrect technique for making first contact with an overhand shot. She was too far forward to dig the ball underhand (the method she started to try) and the correct techique is to start back and move forward to the ball near the ground.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I disagree.

You disagree with what? The nature of moral panics?

 

[BPPLEE]

About half of it. It was a pretty solid match. The hitting was harder than I'd expected. The player who hit the ball that cause the injury was not the hardest hitter. The hard hits were about half as often as I am used to and were not blocked or dug as often.

Given that I saw plenty of shots that were similar or harder than the shot that caused the injury, I feel safe in my rough assessment.

If I had video editing software and a lot of time I could measure the velocities (or at least relative velocities), but I don't.

More important than the specific speed of that shot, was the incorrect technique for making first contact with an overhand shot. She was too far forward to dig the ball underhand (the method she started to try) and the correct techique is to start back and move forward to the ball near the ground.

We need to outlaw volleyball then. If a shot that's not even the hardest can do this much damage someone could die if they get hit with one of those hard shots.

 

[BPPLEE]

You disagree with what? The nature of moral panics?

Not wanting males to compete against females in girls and women's sports is not a moral panic. It's a fairness issue.

 

[keith99]

We need to outlaw volleyball then. If a shot that's not even the hardest can do this much damage someone could die if they get hit with one of those hard shots.

That would mean outlawing every ball sport.

 

[BPPLEE]

That would mean outlawing every ball sport.

If women have to play against men maybe that's the thing to do

 

[RileyG]

You disagree with what? The nature of moral panics?

No, that saying some so called transgenders are being lied to and manipulated to something they aren’t isn’t about moral panic.

It’s grooming.

 

[RileyG]

Not wanting males to compete against females in girls and women's sports is not a moral panic. It's a fairness issue.

This. Men and women are physically and biologically different.

 

[BCP1928]

This. Men and women are physically and biologically different.

But not mentally or emotionally. Yeah, we get it, that's the MAGA line. But research is beginning to show that there are (biological) brain differences between men and women which apparently occur in trans people, too.

 

[BCP1928]

No, that saying some so called transgenders are being lied to and manipulated to something they aren’t isn’t about moral panic.

It’s grooming.

Right. "Grooming." Which is why it's a moral panic for some people.

 

[RileyG]

Right. "Grooming." Which is why it's a moral panic for some people.

Ok?

 

[RileyG]

But not mentally or emotionally. Yeah, we get it, that's the MAGA line. But research is beginning to show that there are (biological) brain differences between men and women which apparently occur in trans people, too.

They’re not different mentally or emotionally? What?

 

[Hans Blaster]

We need to outlaw volleyball then. If a shot that's not even the hardest can do this much damage someone could die if they get hit with one of those hard shots.

Better coaching is likely key as it is in preventing injuries generally. As I recall, the girl that got injured was a shorter player playing in a front line position, but too far back. It is possible that she was put into a front line position she was uncomfortable playing, so she backed off and made errors.

Then there is the question of talent pool. Larger schools have larger pools to draw more outstanding and rare athletic talent from. It used to be that geographic districts and grouping schools competitively on size worked pretty well, but with school choice and private schools recruiting atheletes, size is not as good as it used to be. The lineman at our tiny school were small and they'd have gotten killed if we played a team from the big city schools, which is why we didn't. I don't have the solution to the talent disparities in modern HS athleticsl

 

[BCP1928]

Better coaching is likely key as it is in preventing injuries generally. As I recall, the girl that got injured was a shorter player playing in a front line position, but too far back. It is possible that she was put into a front line position she was uncomfortable playing, so she backed off and made errors.

Then there is the question of talent pool. Larger schools have larger pools to draw more outstanding and rare athletic talent from. It used to be that geographic districts and grouping schools competitively on size worked pretty well, but with school choice and private schools recruiting atheletes, size is not as good as it used to be. The lineman at our tiny school were small and they'd have gotten killed if we played a team from the big city schools, which is why we didn't. I don't have the solution to the talent disparities in modern HS athleticsl

Somehow it didn't exist as a problem until "trans" got involved. I expect that it will cease to exist as a problem as soon as transgirls are permanently banned from girls sports.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No, that saying some so called transgenders are being lied to and manipulated to something they aren’t isn’t about moral panic.

That isn't what is happening. The moral panic is the fact-free moral outrage at something that isn't happening. Just like there were no witches at Salem, no demons or satanism in the 1980s satanic panic, no suppressed abuse memories in the recovered abuse memory panic.

It’s grooming.

It isn't. Given the relative rarity of these kids, it is unlikely that they even know a transperson who could "groom them". The same thing was said about gay people grooming kids to turn them gay. That wasn't the case either.

 

[RileyG]

That isn't what is happening. The moral panic is the fact-free moral outrage at something that isn't happening. Just like there were no witches at Salem, no demons or satanism in the 1980s satanic panic, no suppressed abuse memories in the recovered abuse memory panic.

It isn't. Given the relative rarity of these kids, it is unlikely that they even know a transperson who could "groom them". The same thing was said about gay people grooming kids to turn them gay. That wasn't the case either.

Ok?

 

[BPPLEE]

Ok?

Some schools have adopted policies that allow students to transition socially at school without parental notification or consent. This can include using a different name and pronouns, and in some cases, accessing facilities that align with their gender identity.
And what does he call drag queen story hour?