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Israel-Hamas Thread II

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Israel needs to protect against this nonsense, murder and cruel torture. This is done by eliminating those that produce it. Quit the cheerleading of it.
I haven't been cheerleading Hamas or their actions and agree that the terrorists need to be eliminated.

Post #1,428 November 1, 2023: "Hamas is a terrorist group that has carried out horrific attacks against Israel and exploits the Palestinian people. Hamas needs to be eradicated."
Hamas is clearly an enemy to both Israel and the Palestinian people and must be eradicated.
Hamas must be destroyed
The terrorists and their leadership must be held accountable for their actions, and the terrorist group must be neutralized.
The terrorists must be hunted down, held accountable for their actions, and the terrorist group eliminated.
 
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I haven't been cheerleading Hamas or their actions and agree that the terrorists need to be eliminated.

Post #1,428 November 1, 2023: "Hamas is a terrorist group that has carried out horrific attacks against Israel and exploits the Palestinian people. Hamas needs to be eradicated."
And you pretend that is not what is being done. Stop helping these cruel people.
 
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And you pretend that is not what is being done. Stop helping these cruel people.
Yes, in a sense, that is what's being done as, if all the Gazans are killed, Hamas will also be eliminated.

The way it is being done, the genocide, is cruel - slow starvation and occasionally gunning down folk looking for food.
 
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And you pretend that is not what is being done.
The question is how it is being done. It should be done within the bounds set by international laws regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 
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Yes, in a sense, that is what's being done as, if all the Gazans are killed, Hamas will also be eliminated.
If we place responsibility where it belongs, then all the anger and need for remedy would be focused in the proper place. Hamas and it's Palestinian constituency.
The way it is being done, the genocide, is cruel - slow starvation and occasionally gunning down folk looking for food.
Hamas, and their constituency are responsible for this. End of Story. The quicker this TRUTH is accepted the quicker such groups will disappear.
 
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The question is how it is being done. It should be done within the bounds set by international laws regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Yes, I agree. I say, Putting the blame on those it belongs, ends this group, as well as other violent groups. They simply would have no support to engage, nor multiply their constituency. Instead you are attempting to do this exact thing to Israel.
 
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And you pretend that is not what is being done.
The only way Israel could have defeated Hamas was by showing respect towards the Palestinian people, protecting them from the actions of Hamas, and keeping them safe during counterterrorism operations following the October 7th terrorist attack. I say could have, because Israel has failed at all three of those concepts, and it's too late for Israel to say or act like it respects and cares about the wellbeing of the Palestinian people after destroying their homes and killing their families. The result of this failure will be a new generation of terrorists and perhaps an even stronger insurgency against Israel than in the past. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's the unfortunate truth.
 
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Yes, I agree. I say, Putting the blame on those it belongs

Right, Hamas (and some allied groups) appears to be guilty of a terror attack, a particularly horrific one, on Israel.

In its direct response, Israeli forces appear to be guilty of crimes against humanity and/or war crimes.

, ends this group, as well as other violent groups. They simply would have no support to engage, nor multiply their constituency. Instead you are attempting to do this exact thing to Israel.
I really can't comprehend what your point or argument is.
 
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Israel’s religious right has a clear plan for Gaza: ‘We are occupying, deporting and settling’

[That's ethnic cleansing/genocide]

Carrying planks of plywood, a group of Israeli settlers pushed past soldiers guarding the barrier surrounding the Gaza Strip and quickly got to work. Within minutes, the young men had erected two small buildings — outposts, they said, of a future Jewish settlement in the war-torn Palestinian enclave.

Their movement had hungered for this moment for years, but now, after Oct. 7, they felt it was just a matter of time before Jews would be living in Gaza again. “It is ours,” said David Remer, 18. “[God] said it is ours.”

[Under this definition of Zionism, I am an anti-Zionist.]

Although they are not politically homogeneous, most religious Zionists embrace far-right views. They loudly oppose a cease-fire deal to bring home Israeli hostages, and have repeatedly blocked humanitarian assistance from entering Gaza by standing in front of aid trucks.

It’s a goal embraced by some of the top leaders in Israel’s far-right government, many of whom appeared at a recent Jerusalem rally pushing for Gaza’s resettlement. While videos played showing Israel’s brutal military assault on the enclave and organizers shared brochures promising new houses with views of the Mediterranean Sea, National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir sang religious songs alongside participants and told them: “Now is the time to return home.”

In a recent video from Gaza circulated on social media, an Israeli soldier dressed in camouflage stands smiling with a machine gun in front of a bombed-out building. He directly addresses Netanyahu, who is widely known by his nickname “Bibi.”

“We are occupying, deporting and settling,” the soldier says. “Do you hear that, Bibi?”

For decades, Israeli soldiers have been deployed throughout the West Bank to protect existing settlements, which most of the world considers illegal under international law.

Leaders of the religious right, meanwhile, are using the war as an opportunity to push through extreme policies.

Ben-Gvir, the national security chief, leads the Jewish Power party and has helped arm thousands of Israeli civilians by relaxing restrictions on gun ownership. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, head of the Religious Zionist Party, recently announced plans to expand settlements in the West Bank by more than 3,000 homes. Both Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, who has been convicted of inciting racism and supporting terrorism, live in the West Bank.
 
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If we place responsibility where it belongs, then all the anger and need for remedy would be focused in the proper place. Hamas and it's Palestinian constituency.
Much of it, I agree, but far from all.
Hamas, and their constituency are responsible for this. End of Story. The quicker this TRUTH is accepted the quicker such groups will disappear.
Their "constituency"? You've been told - and you could even look it up yourself - when the last election was. How much oppression can a people bear before breaking? What Hamas did was terrible, but genocide is not the answer. The common people, including children, are being starved to death, shot down like dogs, getting their arms and legs blown off and utterly destroyed.

The US could've put a stop to this but we have not. For this, we also bear responsibility for this ongoing atrocity.
 
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The only way Israel could have defeated Hamas was by showing respect towards the Palestinian people, protecting them from the actions of Hamas, and keeping them safe during counterterrorism operations following the October 7th terrorist attack. I say could have, because Israel has failed at all three of those concepts, and it's too late for Israel to say or act like it respects and cares about the wellbeing of the Palestinian people after destroying their homes and killing their families. The result of this failure will be a new generation of terrorists and perhaps an even stronger insurgency against Israel than in the past. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's the unfortunate truth.
Yep, just keep it going, stir it up. Respect for the Palestinian people = Give them their land back, all of it, and Israel no longer exist. Then Palestinians will be respected. This is a problem. And that is what you are continuing to support. End of story.
 
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Much of it, I agree, but far from all.

Their "constituency"? You've been told - and you could even look it up yourself - when the last election was. How much oppression can a people bear before breaking? What Hamas did was terrible, but genocide is not the answer. The common people, including children, are being starved to death, shot down like dogs, getting their arms and legs blown off and utterly destroyed.
Who is causing this? There are their KINSMAN all around them. Did you know the UN refugee relief center present in Palestine allows Palestinians to refuse to repatriate? They are allowed to only accept patriation to the land of Israel. In other words they refuse to go any where else in the Arab world, they only want the Land that belongs to Israel, ( any and all of it). Did you know, that these continue in refugee status by choice, and receive all the aid of that status. Then, when they have Children, they also are born in refugee status. Leaving for the untenable situation that the UN refugee agency serving them, never grows smaller until repatriation is complete, rather it multiplies refugees, since they refuse repatriation, then their children, are also in refugee status, and this can and does go on breeding more and more refugees. This is sick. These agencies are their to help refugees to repatriate, and settle themselves, and become stable in their repatriated country.
The US could've put a stop to this but we have not. For this, we also bear responsibility for this ongoing atrocity.
They could start with the UNrelief agency for refugees. All we ever heard about them is some of their members participated in the massacre of Jew's. they are also growing permanent refugees, until they get the land (all of it) of Israel back.
 
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Did you know the UN refugee relief center present in Palestine allows Palestinians to repatriate?
A refugee can only re-patriate to the place they lived and were displaced from.
 
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A refugee can only re-patriate to the place they lived and were displaced from.
They can be relocated to another place. They refuse. Their Children likewise become permanent refugees as well.
 
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They can be relocated to another place.
They could be, but that would be both unjust and a violation of UN Resolution 194, which provides that "refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date" and formed the basis of the creation of UNRWA. So it's not that surprising that UNRWA seeks to carry out the mission it was given.
 
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They could be, but that would be both unjust and a violation of UN Resolution 194, which provides that "refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date" and formed the basis of the creation of UNRWA. So it's not that surprising that UNRWA seeks to carry out the mission it was given.
To return to land, that is no longer theirs is not a peaceful return.
 
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To return to land, that is no longer theirs is not a peaceful return.
Let's try to step back from Israel and Palestine, and look at these refugees.

Their families owned land and houses and property. How did the land become 'no longer theirs'? They did not sell it.

The UN recognizes their right to return to their property.

What is non-peaceful about families returning to their houses and farms?
 
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Let's try to step back from Israel and Palestine, and look at these refugees.

Their families owned land and houses and property. How did the land become 'no longer theirs'?
The same way It became no longer the Land of Jew's. The same way It no longer became Land of Rome. When did this reality stop Just for Palestinians? It is an absurd question. The only difference here is.....Jew's expanded their land, Because the Arabs started a war. In much the same way, that Iran and their proxy groups have received military response from America, for interfering with their shipping.
They did not sell it.
Originally Isreali's bought some. That isn't the point. Historically the land belonged to whomever won in a war over it. Greece, Rome, then byzantine greco/rome, then Mohammadians. When in this common land owning with many peoples, from the beginning of history, when did this STOP, for the Palestinians ONLY. Palestinians got it the same way!
The UN recognizes their right to return to their property.
Well their property belongs to Israel, because of their lack of peacefulness...and the very notion that any foot of the land of Israel, the Palestinian refugee, is a denial It is the land of Israel.
What is non-peaceful about families returning to their houses and farms?
It is not their land, that's why. You are saying the land of Israel belongs to Palestine. As I asked, in all the history of that land becoming a possession of various nations and people, why now did that become unacceptable? Every Palestinian Arab themselves possessed the land of another people, it was not called an occupation. Why now?
 
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The same way It became no longer the Land of Jew's.
When the Romans took over, it became part of the Empire, but individual Jewish families were not displaced. The Romans needed them to keep paying their taxes.

Again, you're stubbornly keeping the focus on the country, rather than the individual people.


You are saying the land of Israel belongs to Palestine.
No, I'm saying that there are plots of land in Israel and the Occupied Territories that belong to the Palestinian families that have been displaced from their land. And international law (which has indeed changed in the modern era away from "to the victor go the spoils", not just for Palestine, but for all peoples) recognizes their right to their property.
 
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That's the idea in war, to kill more of the enemy than your own.
Why do you think this means
"Israel has acted in a more more compassionate manner than have the citizens of Gaza"
Are you arguing that it's compassionate to kill large numbers of people?
 
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