Continuing research into the possibility of the reality of the Exodus, and current data/conclusions.

[AV1611VET]

The problem is not in making up the numbers but using numbers based on ridiculously long life spans in some cases exceeding 900 years, and parents being fertile well into their hundreds to have children.

Ya ... those decimal places really bug you academians, don't they?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Most of the research indicates that the mass exodus from Egypt, ten plagues and all of that, the very first passover, etc, might not have happened according to the way the Bible said it does/did, if it even happened at all, and so I am continuing my research into the truth of the rest of it, from here, etc.

That research is the topic of this post.

But please note that this does not make all of the rest of it, not true, etc. And in fact, if we're talking probabilities/possibilities here, that there was a man named Jesus Christ, who went about doing many, many things way beyond normal, the scale is still tipped about that way that that is still probably pretty much true, etc, which then begs the question of how did he did it, or where did he get this power from, if this is still pretty much true, etc? Also did he know the truth about the exodus also, etc? and how was he able to do this still regardless, etc?

Jesus is not. Jesus does not appear in the Exodus story and lived in a different century and country. He is not relevant to this topic.

Which I tried to get into a bit on my last post, about three pages back now, etc.

God Bless.

It's best that it is.

 

[sjastro]

I'll pass.

So we will take this to admit you were being dishonest in making claims you couldn't back up.

 

[sjastro]

Gen ... knee ... sis 5

Gen ... knee ... sis 10

1 Core ... rinth ... thee ... ands 1 - 9

Quit adding other stuff in, or you'll confuse yourself.

Get a calculator and use Genesis 5, Genesis 10, and 1 Corinthians chapters 1-9.

You don't even need a scientific calculator.

Use and abacus if you can.

The only confused person here chief is yourself, when this idiotic response of yours has nothing to do in addressing the discrepancies between Luke's and Matthew's genealogies.

 

[AV1611VET]

So we will take this to admit you were being dishonest in making claims you couldn't back up.

You take it however best it fits your ego, chief.

 

[AV1611VET]

The only confused person here chief is yourself, when this idiotic response of yours has nothing to do in addressing the discrepancies between Luke's and Matthew's genealogies.

And if I addressed those discrepancies, how would that solve your problem with people living a long time?

In addition how would that solve your simple math problem with the creation date?

You've got too many problems, astro, and I suspect information overload is taking its toll on you.

You're trying to take on too much at a time (creation date, how many left Egypt, how did they get into the desert, discrepancies in Matthew & Luke, the name of the pharaoh).

You're in way over your head.

In my opinion.

Slow down and take these issues one at a time.

We're here to help you.

 

[sjastro]

So John Lightfoot already met your challenge and proved you wrong.

This is pure comedy by turning around what I stated is endorsing Lightfoot's creation date which contradicts Ussher.
Congratulations on another piece of illogical thinking.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is pure comedy by turning around what I stated is endorsing Lightfoot's creation date which contradicts Ussher.
Congratulations on another piece of illogical thinking.

You're multitasking.

And it's affecting you.

 

[BCP1928]

Most of the research indicates that the mass exodus from Egypt, ten plagues and all of that, the very first passover, etc, might not have happened according to the way the Bible said it does/did, if it even happened at all, and so I am continuing my research into the truth of the rest of it, from here, etc.

But please note that this does not make all of the rest of it, not true, etc.

Why should it?

 

[Neogaia777]

Why should it?

It might for some, but doesn't have to be for everybody, etc.

 

[Neogaia777]

If this higher God than God in the OT as proposed by Jesus is real or true or is actual, etc, and if He has always known all, which means He would have already chosen how every being, and everything should and will always happen/go, etc, but and/or anyway, if any or all of this is actually true, etc, then all of us are just programs, running an already foreordained/pre-chosen program, etc, and the purpose for that being, in harvesting some to be with Him when their individual programs is finshed and/or comes to an end, etc. And the criteria for those ones would be only those who have suffered very, very uniquely, or in a very unique way, etc. And all of the others, their programs only exist to cause and/or create this reality in which those others would suffer before going on into being with Him, etc, and that is the only reason for any of this reason's existence, etc. And when those other ones programs are done fully running, or have fully come to an end, then they just sleep or cease to exist for a time until after fully harvesting the others, or the ones getting to go beyond this to be with Him, etc. But when that/this is all entirely done or is all entirely finished, etc, then the ones who were not ever chosen to go beyond this, just sleep or cease to exist or be conscious for a time, until their program is re-needed again in another world/reality/creation/earth that will come after this again after this, etc, when they will all re-run their program all over again after this, but are not ever aware of doing this over and over again every single time after this, etc. While the harvesting is always going/happening each time for the ones that He already has already predestined/pre-chosen already each time to get go beyond this, etc. And that is the whole reason for this's existence, etc. To harvest or take some, while having the others always just have to always repeat this over and over again, but that are not aware of this each time, or that they are always just doing this all over, each time over and over and over again, for nigh eternity, etc. Or to put it another way, they always just are, and forever have been, just only a part of the simulation that never gets to go beyond this ever, etc.

God Bless.

 

[BCP1928]

It might for some, but doesn't have to be for everybody, etc.

The other question I had was, why would it make any difference to Jesus whether the story was true or not?

 

[Neogaia777]

The other question I had was, why would it make any difference to Jesus whether the story was true or not?

I don't know? Because that's also a part we don't know also, etc?

But was a point that I tried to get into a bit "so many posts back" now, etc?

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

If this higher God than God in the OT as proposed by Jesus is real or true or is actual, etc, and if He has always known all, which means He would have already chosen how every being, and everything should and will always happen/go, etc, but and/or anyway, if any or all of this is actually true, etc, then all of us are just programs, running an already foreordained/pre-chosen program, etc,

Have you ever watched a movie more than once?

Does the outcome of the movie change when you watch it again?

You know exactly what they're going to do and say, and you even know how the show is going to end.

Does that make the actors nothing more than pre-programmed robots?

 

[Neogaia777]

Have you ever watched a movie more than once?

Does the outcome of the movie change when you watch it again?

You know exactly what they're going to do and say, and you even know how the show is going to end.

Does that make the actors nothing more than pre-programmed robots?

Does it make them able to do the movie any differently?

Because in this case, we are not simply the actors with some other kind of life, or some other way we can choose outside of the script, etc, but are quite literally the fictional characters in those stories, or those scripts, who's story/program is already written, and with no possible way for us to deviate, or go outside of, or beyond those scripts, etc.

But you go ahead and curse Jesus God for making us like that, or making us that way if you want to, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Does that make the actors nothing more than pre-programmed robots?

While they are in the process of acting, or making the movie, it does.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you go ahead and curse Jesus God for making us like that, or making us that way if you want to, ok.

Do what???

We have freewill.

God is omniscient, and knows ahead of time what we're going to do.

That doesn't make us actors without freewill.

God is in Heaven.

Not Hollywood.

 

[AV1611VET]

While they are in the process of acting, or making the movie, it does.

No, it doesn't.

The Little Rascals, for example, ad libbed their lines.

So did the dog.

 

[Neogaia777]

@AV1611VET

From God's perspective, he sees you about to make a choice, does he see that choice as a percentage of possible ways you might choose, or one that's always 100%, and the other, always absolutely zero percent always, etc?

Tell me which it is @AV1611VET, because it can't be both, etc?

Because the first means God cannot be all-knowing, and the second means there is really no such thing as choice, etc.

 

[Neogaia777]

@AV1611VET

From God's perspective, he sees you about to make a choice, does he see that choice as a percentage of possible ways you might choose, or one that's always 100%, and the other, always absolutely zero percent always, etc?

Tell me which it is @AV1611VET, because it can't be both, etc?

Because the first means God cannot be all-knowing, and the second means there is really no such thing as choice, etc.

We do what we do due to a whole lot of whatever was before that, that was that way because of whatever was before that, and this going all the way; way, way back to the very beginning, and we didn't ever get to choose any of it, etc, but it was already 100% versus absolutely zero percent by whatever was before it, going all the way back to the beginning, etc.

And our whole world/universe/reality that we all exist in right now both is and was and always has been/will be this way until we maybe get to go beyond it for some of us maybe, etc.

And if you believe in a God of all of it, then that's where some of us might be going maybe.

But it won't be because of anything we did or chose for ourselves to be or not be or anything, but only because of what He has already chosen or decided for us already, etc.

Which might make you wonder about His criteria for that maybe?

God Bless.