Hunter Biden faces 17 years in prison after spending millions on lavish hard-partying lifestyle while dodging taxes: special counsel

[Hans Blaster]

One of the common snarky retorts that many on the left will recite is "well, I'll make sure I don't vote for Hunter"... Yet, that same tone didn't seem to apply when media outlets wanted to run stories about how Ivanka and/or Donald Trump Jr. may or may not have used their family name (and implications of their father's position) to gain business leverage and make deals (which is thing Hunter is often under fire for).


The standard of "A person's family should be a refection of the person" should be a standard that's applied equally, or not applied at all.

Meaning, if you want to go after Don Jr. & Ivanka for being slimy and using their dad's position as a way of influencing deals...fine...it's accurate. But that means when Hunter ends up in a multi-million dollar position on the board of a company in a sector in which he has no experience, in a country whose language he doesn't speak, people are allowed to ask some questions.

Either family is fair game or they're not.

Except it's a little more than that. And you have to go back to the fathers:

Donald was a businessman. Starting from his early adulthood working for his father in the family business.
Joe is a career politician. He's been in federal office for the last 50 years, except for the 4 years Trump was president.

Hunter is a lawyer and businessman. Some of his best deals seem to have been those that he got at least in part because of who his father was.
With the exception of Ivanka's failed modeling career and fashion line, Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric have spent their entire careers working for their father's company (just like how Donald started). When Donald got a TV show, they all appeared on it. When he ran for president, they all worked on the campaign in one way or another. (Eric became more prominent in politics after Donald left office as he was apparently more involved in running the business, while Don Jr. put himself forward as a potential political figure.) Ivanka even workd at the White House.

As far as I know Hunter has never had any kind of public role related to Joe's campaigns. Until Trump's operatives decided to go after him in the middle of the Trump term, the only things I knew about Joe's family was that he had a son who died while he was VP (and kept him from running in 2016) and a son who was on the Amtrak board at some point. I couldn't have told how many children Joe Biden had. Perhaps those two sons were the same person. (I also had no idea how many children Donald had until they all started appearing as campaign surrogates.)

That's the difference realistically. Trump's children were and are very much involved in all of his public activities, where as Hunter was not.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Dare I ask for examples of what you’re referring to?

You familiar with this case?

Murthy v. Missouri - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If you don't remember the brief story in the news, it's about the conspiracy between half a dozen police agencies, universities and private institutions, all censoring free speech on social media when it didn't fit politically driven left wing narratives. You know how Russia was engaged in spreading misinformation prior to the 2016 election? It's the same deliberate techniques except done by our government either directly, or through proxies (which is already illegal due to SCOTUS precedent) and targeting almost exclusively conservative positions, arguments, rhetoric, etc.

Here's the person responsible for protecting everyone's first amendment free speech rights.

She never heard of it.

I'm sure you're aware of the universities offering up reasons for why Jewish students are being chased around campus.

Here's some friendly woke citizens taking their ideas of social justice to work. The woke left in CA.

Cafe Staff Fired After Viral Fight With Jewish Customer, Owners Say

The woman was attempting to photograph anti-Israel graffiti inside the bathroom.

www.thedailybeast.com

I will note the kind young black female barista offering what I assume is her employer's restroom. She seems genuinely naive as to the idea of the unfortunate Jewish customer trying to record the antisemitic bigotry on the walls of the restroom.

At least in that case, the employer terminated their employment....but really, for this sort of thing to be comparable to what the right side of political spectrum has been subjected to....the Cafe should release their names so other employer's know what they are before hiring them.

Now....I can give you piles of similar political persecution at the hands of the woke left. I don't really need to though, do I? I'm sure you recall years ago when I was posting threads on the odd examples of racism casually perpetrated at white people. I recall your honesty then....even if I disagreed.

How about now? The government seems to be engaging in persecution. The institutions are....and the general public on the far left. Their ideas are central to where the party stands on many topics. I'm glad I no longer associate with them. I lost a friend early on because I had the audacity to disagree openly.

Does this seem like political persecution to you? Even considering other possibilities....I'm sure you can see why many think the they are being unfairly targeted.

I still remember how this happened...I think most of the people engaged in this on the left think they are fighting oppression or maybe fighting for some group's civil rights. Others are probably struggling with how anyone can claim to be ignorant of these crimes and intimidation which has been normalized. Others don't even know they're victims yet.

Even if one isn't sure if the institutions and public are engaged in this...the government has stonewalled as the DOJ official has in the example above more times than I can count. It's a disgrace.

Tell me honestly, what do you think? I don't think most people want to be this way. I think they were shamed and pressured with ostracization and unemployment...and that's something I don't really have to face. Others perhaps don't really understand what they are doing...what they've supported....and the likely consequences.

I would like nothing more than to imagine that there was a fix for this, but it doesn't seem likely to happen regardless of who wins next year. The larger problem doesn't change in my opinion.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"Caught" is doing a lot of work in this sentence. Instead his data was stolen by Republican dirty tricksters who used the power of the Conservisphere to attack Joe Biden by proxy.

But hey, both sides, right.

Do you really think that's what happened? A trap that was set for Hunter? A conspiracy to damage someone unfairly?

I mean...people are correct to see the Qanon folks as deeply confused by ridiculous conspiracy theories. But their numbers are few....and they are actively seeking their fantasies.

Others are no less enveloped in conspiracy theories. The current one is the danger of democracy being destroyed by a man facing unprecedented prosecution of a former president...at the direction of a President who is running an administration that has an unprecedented number of employees willing to sacrifice their jobs, wealth, and reputations to speak of the abuses of power and corruption they have observed or been a party to. They've been dismissed without any consideration for their claims. It's fantasy to imagine them doing this because of biased loyalties to Trump, but in reality, many are registered Democrats who voted for Biden. If this administration held its own members accountable....there wouldn't be many people left.

And yet, one of the few things they will admit is the total failure at the border.

Look at that...this obvious white supremacist xenophobe can prove everyone on the left wrong by quoting elected and appointed officials on the left.

Eric Adams- this (illegal immigration) will destroy New York.

Governor of New York- New York is expensive and we cannot afford to allow illegals to stay.

Mayorkas, head of DHS, and ultimately the law enforcement regarding immigration- We need top to bottom asylum reform so we can swiftly reject all false asylum claims and return them to their nations. Congress must act.

FBI Director Wray- After October 7th, the open southern border poses a massive national security risk. We have no idea who many of these people are despite them coming from nations with hostile terrorist organizations embedded within.
I'm paraphrasing the exact quotes in the video because I know many here don't actually consume any news that doesn't agree with the views they already hold. The only people who are willing to confront this problem are on the right....but everyone who knows they will be blamed for this problem whether they are mayors or governors or appointed officials who can't be removed because, you know, why protect Joe Biden if they are removed?

It's not just a matter of voters on the left being wrong...it's that you're wrong about this problem and being lied to. If you were told the truth, it would sound a lot like this problem actually began under Obama, continued under Trump mainly because Democrats kept seeking injunctions to every proposed solution...and even the "stay in Mexico" policy worked better than anything under Biden. Under Biden, it's as if no real enforcement of the law is happening...because they can't admit Trump was correct once about a problem.

 

[lanceleo]

Trans people- leap frogged everyone. You're oppressed by society? Sounds nice...they're oppressed by life. They blame life and demand everyone else adjust accordingly. If you don't...they'll kill themselves.

Self-victimization but they are a better lot than the Muslims for they demand that we die for their beliefs.

 

[DaisyDay]

For me, the difference is that Eric Trump actually was taking part in US politics. He made political speeches and videos galore. Don Jr. and Ivanka even were part of the administration.

No, Don Jr. was a part of the campaign, he was not part of the administration. Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, were heavily involved. At one point Magadonians were hyping Ivanka for president 2024 (predicated on her daddy having won 2020).

Meanwhile, while Hunter Biden is using daddies influence to get through life and has a pretty immoral lifestyle, I dont think he has directly involved himself with the running of the USA. Please correct me if im wrong.

Hunter Biden at that time was a drug addict at the nadir of his addiction. He never held any office.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

"Caught" is doing a lot of work in this sentence. Instead his data was stolen by Republican dirty tricksters who used the power of the Conservisphere to attack Joe Biden by proxy.

But hey, both sides, right.

The civility train left the US political tracks a while ago.

I know the fact that I mention that both side do something irks some people (can't tell if it's because they don't want one faction criticized at all, or if it's because they feel that as long as the GOP exists, nobody should spend time criticizing people on the left...but either way)

When reputable news outlets were running article for 3 months about George W Bush's daughter getting caught drinking at 19 (or trying to buy alcohol with a fake ID), I don't think she was actively involved in his political administration was she?

...so to pretend that it's unacceptable to talk about Hunter seems a bit out of sorts if it used to be CNN-worthy to talk about Jenna Bush using her friends ID to try to buy a margarita at Applebee's.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's tit for tat politics, since Trump's family was put under a microscope during his presidency, the GOP hardliners were itching to "do it back" to the other side.


I think people just need to be honest about that.

I can understand if it looks that simple, but I don't think it is. We aren't, for example, comparing the treatment of Baron Trump and Hunter Biden in the media. We're watching a group of political insiders and a political outsider interact in ways that are unique to both, not just with each other but with the wider public, given the circumstances.

I know you're from Germany (and hopefully the political rivalries there are more civil than they are here), but none the less...

But once that "cat is already out of the bag" here, political rivalries tend to take on a retaliatory nature (followed by gaslighting)

Retaliation between political insiders tended to be related to one or two of a few things....

1. Personal life information which is potentially damaging to one's career via reputation. "He got a stripper in Atlanta pregnant when he was just 19, and told her family to pay for the abortion. What sort of gay man of god does that?"

2. Legitimate criticism of competence or job performance, even if the criticism itself is invalid. "He's spent an average of 10 hours a week golfing, based on our estimates, which have a possible error range of 9.5 hours."

3. Hyperbolic comparisons typically made by third party proxies, "He's like Hitler's son....if Hitler's son was the Antichrist, read about all the occult connections we found in his shady past."

What we don't typically see are crimes that we all know (or at least should know) they are guilty of....like..."He's guilty of war crimes, by authorizing hundreds of drone strikes on people who include US citizens and that never stood trial in the US or anywhere else and carried an average of 3.4 collateral deaths of completely innocent bystanders who weren't suspected of anything."

The reasons being rather obvious, every former president would be in jail for the rest of their lives. That last one doesn't just apply to Trump....it applies to Obama....and is the main reason we developed a bomb known as the "flying anvil" because it's so precisely guided and the death is caused by extremely high speed blunt force trauma. This gives us the ability to (for example) target someone riding in the driver's seat without killing the passengers.

This is still a war crime of course....

I hope that illustrates the difference I see here, between a tit-for tat type situation and what we've been watching for awhile now.

Just speaking frankly, I have no doubts that if Eric Trump got caught smoking crack with a hooker and posing for a pic in nothing but a scarf and a jock strap and then getting in a fight with his mistress that led to a gun being left in a dumpster across the street from a school, the people in the US who dismissively say "why should we care about what Hunter does?" would think (or at least pretend to think) it was a much bigger deal. (and it would likely be all that was in the news cycle for weeks on end).

...and I'm just being real here, I'm not a Trump supporter...but there was a definite double standard with regards to "the things a president's family members do" and "how much those things matter"

One of the common snarky retorts that many on the left will recite is "well, I'll make sure I don't vote for Hunter"... Yet, that same tone didn't seem to apply when media outlets wanted to run stories about how Ivanka and/or Donald Trump Jr. may or may not have used their family name (and implications of their father's position) to gain business leverage and make deals (which is thing Hunter is often under fire for).

That's what he's accused of but definitely not why he's being investigated.

There's very few people in Congress or Senate who have been elected for...let's say an average of 3-4 terms... who aren't aware of the many profitable crimes their colleagues are definitely engaging in....

It wasn't until Trump that anyone would really consider pursuing anyone over these crimes unless some foolish reporter actually did some investigative journalism and exposed a particularly heinous crime orchestrated under the direction of the president...like that reporter who figured out the CIA was behind the 80s crack epidemic in LA, and Cali generally, before committing suicide by shooting himself in the head twice.

The standard of "A person's family should be a refection of the person" should be a standard that's applied equally, or not applied at all.

Meaning, if you want to go after Don Jr. & Ivanka for being slimy and using their dad's position as a way of influencing deals...fine...it's accurate. But that means when Hunter ends up in a multi-million dollar position on the board of a company in a sector in which he has no experience, in a country whose language he doesn't speak, people are allowed to ask some questions.

Either family is fair game or they're not.

Again....I think we're reading this differently. The GOP doesn't want Biden's bag man....they want the big guy, and not just for the crimes they can be certain of. If this was only about tax evasion and gun/drug charges....that plea deal wouldn't have fallen apart. They wanted to slip in immunity to crimes that he wasn't even charged with....you know, as if they were aware of what he has done, and could easily be prosecuted for under a Republican President.

 

[iluvatar5150]

You familiar with this case?

Murthy v. Missouri - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I was aware of the general complaints levied within the case, but I wasn't aware that a case around them had made its way to SCOTUS.

If you don't remember the brief story in the news, it's about the conspiracy between half a dozen police agencies, universities and private institutions, all censoring free speech on social media when it didn't fit politically driven left wing narratives. You know how Russia was engaged in spreading misinformation prior to the 2016 election? It's the same deliberate techniques except done by our government either directly, or through proxies (which is already illegal due to SCOTUS precedent) and targeting almost exclusively conservative positions, arguments, rhetoric, etc.

That's nice, but the claim you'd made was "Everyone has seen the Democratic Party stonewall and avoid accountability in any way for their grievous crimes", which, as far as I'm aware, is not what this case is about. If you want to debate whether or not the subjects of their complaints constituted "misinformation," that's fine (though I probably won't partake), but AFAIK, the general thrust of them was not about covering up Dem misdeeds. Maybe the closest one could get to that is claiming that the Hunter laptop files were fake, which, IIRC (though I could be mistaken), wasn't actually a point that the WH was pushing.

I'm sure you're aware of the universities offering up reasons for why Jewish students are being chased around campus.

Here's some friendly woke citizens taking their ideas of social justice to work. The woke left in CA.

Cafe Staff Fired After Viral Fight With Jewish Customer, Owners Say

The woman was attempting to photograph anti-Israel graffiti inside the bathroom.

www.thedailybeast.com

I will note the kind young black female batista offering what I assume is her employer's restroom. She seems genuinely naive as to the idea of the unfortunate Jewish customer trying to record the antisemitic bigotry on the walls of the restroom.

I didn't see the totality of the graffiti, but the one thing cited in the news report, "Zionism is fascism" isn't inherently anti-semitic. Zionism is not synonymous with Judaism, despite what some, including (AFAIK) the ADL, would have you believe.

As far as I can tell, this is just a few people getting into a fairly civil argument - the video didn't even show anybody yelling. I don't have enough information about what precipitated the video to take a side, though if I had to guess, I'd probably go with reddit's "ETA", IYKWIM. Either way, what's shown in the video is a far cry from "the Democratic Party stonewall[ing] and avoid[ing] accountability in any way for their grievous crimes."

Tell me honestly, what do you think?

What I think is that the non-religious left has finally discovered the dopamine hit provided by piety and self-righteousness that the religious right has known about for centuries (millennia?). There seems to be something inherent to being human that generates a need or a trend towards religiosity and piety and, absent a faith in god or a religious text, these folks have instead fueled their fervor with some form of humanist social justice. I think there are practical pro's and con's to both the humanist and the deist perspectives, with each having elements that keep their worst impulses restrained and others that let them off the leash, but by and large I don't see them as being all that different from each other.

I do think there's a case to be made that the religious right in America is more mature in some ways than the new left, or at least farther along in their story arc, in that the religious right has largely learned over time that being militantly insufferable in face-to-face interactions doesn't win them many friends.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Except it's a little more than that. And you have to go back to the fathers:

Donald was a businessman. Starting from his early adulthood working for his father in the family business.
Joe is a career politician. He's been in federal office for the last 50 years, except for the 4 years Trump was president.

Hunter is a lawyer and businessman.

Hunter is a man with an addiction to hookers and crack. There's plenty of evidence that he was well versed in those activities....but they tend to make legitimate legal work, especially the sort large energy concerns engage in, extremely difficult to do.

I can extend sympathy to anyone struggling with addiction to narcotics. I'm a bit less sympathetic to a man who spends enough money on hookers to fund a small brothel.

Regardless....the Biden family in total has a rather large number of commercial endeavors that no one really knows of or can say what service or products they provide. We know what Trump's businesses do...real estate primarily. Ivanka has a fashion line. The son's, I assume, hold positions in Donald's businesses.

What exactly does the 20+ businesses that the Biden family own do exactly? We know they are getting paid....and what they get paid for seems rather important.

Some of his best deals seem to have been those that he got at least in part because of who his father was.

He may have engaged in some degree of legitimate work....despite the crack and hookers, who knows? It's not the big picture though.

With the exception of Ivanka's failed modeling career and fashion line, Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric have spent their entire careers working for their father's company (just like how Donald started).

Indeed.

When Donald got a TV show, they all appeared on it. When he ran for president, they all worked on the campaign in one way or another. (Eric became more prominent in politics after Donald left office as he was apparently more involved in running the business, while Don Jr. put himself forward as a potential political figure.) Ivanka even workd at the White House.

All true. None inherently illegal either.

As far as I know Hunter has never had any kind of public role related to Joe's campaigns.

Well he did do those paintings.

Credit where credit is due.

Until Trump's operatives decided to go after him in the middle of the Trump term, the only things I knew about Joe's family was that he had a son who died while he was VP (and kept him from running in 2016) and a son who was on the Amtrak board at some point. I couldn't have told how many children Joe Biden had. Perhaps those two sons were the same person. (I also had no idea how many children Donald had until they all started appearing as campaign surrogates.)

Right...it's all news to the public. It's not a secret to his peers.

That's the difference realistically. Trump's children were and are very much involved in all of his public activities, where as Hunter was not.

Well....as long as you're willing to gloss over the fact that the federal agents who specialize in international money laundering and bribery schemes at the IRS testified that they found evidence of such activities throughout the Biden family's "businesses" and were willing to sacrifice their careers over it....yeah, that's an accurate description of the situation.

It seems as if some people aren't as generous though...and are interested in pursuing the evidence that the DOJ stepped on....resulting in the whistleblowers coming forward.

 

[Hans Blaster]

[I cut out only the portions relevant to my response.]

Regardless....the Biden family in total has a rather large number of commercial endeavors that no one really knows of or can say what service or products they provide. We know what Trump's businesses do...real estate primarily. Ivanka has a fashion line. The son's, I assume, hold positions in Donald's businesses.

What exactly does the 20+ businesses that the Biden family own do exactly? We know they are getting paid....and what they get paid for seems rather important.

Well....as long as you're willing to gloss over the fact that the federal agents who specialize in international money laundering and bribery schemes at the IRS testified that they found evidence of such activities throughout the Biden family's "businesses" and were willing to sacrifice their careers over it....yeah, that's an accurate description of the situation.

I've seen a number of articles with claims about "Biden family businesses", but it is never clear what those are. As best I can tell Hunter had some partnerships with his uncle (James) and each had other business ventures. This apparently is the "Biden family business".

I've seen nothing solid that connects Joe to this "family business", though there certainly have been a few attempts.

It seems as if some people aren't as generous though...and are interested in pursuing the evidence that the DOJ stepped on....resulting in the whistleblowers coming forward.

The accusers in the Hunter Biden saga are such a murky bunch with many of them being discredited (at least in part). I've heard similar things about these as well, but I have no idea who is trustworthy on this.

But that doesn't really matter to the topic of the thread. Hunter BIden was charged with those tax charges because it would seem he didn't pay his taxes properly.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Nope, that diatribe's not racist, sexist, etc. whatsoever.

This is actually an insightful statement: . "You can tell everyone they are on a team with you....and you're fighting against a common enemy, but once you win, you have to decide what gets done. That's when you learn that you're not really on a team...you're in a racial/sexual caste system....and it's pretty gross."

Your failure to engage with his assertions do not refute them, by the way.

 

[USincognito]

The civility train left the US political tracks a while ago.

I know the fact that I mention that both side do something irks some people (can't tell if it's because they don't want one faction criticized at all, or if it's because they feel that as long as the GOP exists, nobody should spend time criticizing people on the left...but either way)

When reputable news outlets were running article for 3 months about George W Bush's daughter getting caught drinking at 19 (or trying to buy alcohol with a fake ID), I don't think she was actively involved in his political administration was she?

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...so to pretend that it's unacceptable to talk about Hunter seems a bit out of sorts if it used to be CNN-worthy to talk about Jenna Bush using her friends ID to try to buy a margarita at Applebee's.

Both sides, yeah. Got it

 

[KCfromNC]

It's tit for tat politics, since Trump's family was put under a microscope during his presidency

There did seem to be the issue of giving the ones getting all the attention cushy government jobs while he was in office.

Edit, looks like I wasn't the only one to see it. The stretch to turn this into a but but but bOth SideZ1@2111!1 must have been above average even given the stretches we're used to seeing.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Both sides, yeah. Got it

Soooo... no rebuttal to what I actually provided then?

Just dismissiveness about anything that doesn't try to exclusively put all of the focus on the bad stuff the GOP side does?

...because it's blatantly obvious that all of the political bickering and tribalism is exclusively a one-sided issue, eh?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

There did seem to be the issue of giving the ones getting all the attention cushy government jobs while he was in office.

To pretend that's the only reason why they focused on his kids would be ignoring other scenarios... That just happened to be some of the low hanging fruit they could grasp for.

The George W Bush presidency (and the responses to it) adequately demonstrated that neither party has a monopoly on civility.

I would liken the Democratic treatment of Bush to the Republican treatment of Biden.
(everything including going after family members, and entertaining wild conspiracy theories, and buying into the nonsensical "sources" supporting said theories)


"50% of republicans believe that Biden stole an election because of something they saw on InfoWars, and have no problem going after Hunter for substance problems"

You could replace "republicans" with "democrats", "Biden" with "Bush", "stole an election" with "was in on a terrorist attack", "InfoWars" with "Fahrenheit 911", and "Hunter" with "Jenna", and we're basically back in 2005.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

“The Defendant engaged in a four-year scheme to not pay at least $1.4 million in self-assessed federal taxes he owed for tax years 2016 through 2019,” Special Counsel David Weiss writes in the 56-page indictment out of the Central District of California.

“In furtherance of that scheme,” Weiss notes that Hunter “subverted the payroll and tax withholding process of his own company, Owasco, PC by withdrawing millions from Owasco, PC” and “spent millions of dollars on an extravagant lifestyle rather than paying his tax bills.”

Hunter Biden faces 17 years in prison after spending millions on lavish, hard-partying lifestyle while dodging taxes: special counsel

The scandal-scarred first son is already facing three felony counts related to false statements he made when purchasing a firearm. Biden has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

nypost.com

Joe said Hunter "did nothing wrong.

And the beat goes on. It's the way it's always been. My question is why do poor people keep on electing rich folks and keep believing that someday those people will do anything other than what they did to get rich in the first place, which is to use whatever power they are given in order to line their own pockets. The last President to actually divest from his business was Jimmy Carter. That said, I don't believe we should engage in pointing out the sins of any one person without any context of the sins of all those who came before. Or more to the point, maybe we should spend our time and resources on proclaiming the Gospel of Christ and not on disparaging others or judging them at all.

 

[DaisyDay]

This is actually an insightful statement: . "You can tell everyone they are on a team with you....and you're fighting against a common enemy, but once you win, you have to decide what gets done. That's when you learn that you're not really on a team...you're in a racial/sexual caste system....and it's pretty gross."

Your failure to engage with his assertions do not refute them, by the way.

Did you mistake my comment for a refutation? That's on you.

 

[KCfromNC]

To pretend that's the only reason why they focused on his kids would be ignoring other scenarios... That just happened to be some of the low hanging fruit they could grasp for.

The George W Bush presidency (and the responses to it) adequately demonstrated that neither party has a monopoly on civility.

I would liken the Democratic treatment of Bush to the Republican treatment of Biden.
(everything including going after family members, and entertaining wild conspiracy theories, and buying into the nonsensical "sources" supporting said theories)


"50% of republicans believe that Biden stole an election because of something they saw on InfoWars, and have no problem going after Hunter for substance problems"

You could replace "republicans" with "democrats", "Biden" with "Bush", "stole an election" with "was in on a terrorist attack", "InfoWars" with "Fahrenheit 911", and "Hunter" with "Jenna", and we're basically back in 2005.

Oh, right, I forgot, both sides. Got it.

 

[stevil]

I predict plea deal and the Conservisphere losing its schpedoinkle.

I'm hoping for a heavy sentence and the President pardoning Hunter... after which the Conservisphere becomes Rumpelstiltskin.

You are hoping Joe Biden pardon's his son for crimes?

 

[DaisyDay]

These aren't my beliefs after all....they're the beliefs of the far left....the woke.

Oh, the strawman's beliefs. That explains everything!