Jordan Peterson

[Reasonably Sane]

Hi There,

I notice Dr. Jordan Peterson is getting a lot of air time.

My concern is that he not only has some appeal among the intellectual elite but from many in the body of Christ also.

I am not convinced that he has moved on from his Jungian philosophical base which is subtly deceptive and dismisses the heart of the Gospel.

I would love to be corrected if anyone can give hard facts that he has a living faith in Christ.

A wealth of common sense and a sharp mind is admirable but when 1500 including many believers fly to London to hear him I feel uneasy.

My take is that he is unlikely to embrace the Gospel until he renounces the Jungian atheistic concept of "archetypes" in which God is merely a concept that man needs to believe.

This would matter to me if he advertised himself as a Christian leader, pastor, etc. But he doesn't.

As I've said about Joel Osteen, he's a great motivational speaker. But he's a terrible spiritual guide. If he didn't tout his meetings as "religious", I'd have zero problem with familiarizing myself with his teachings. But he does it under the guise of Christianity. Peterson doesn't.

 

[Carl Emerson]

A book burning, which book?


Peterson's 12 steps is an excellent book and should be read by Americans.

'Man and his Symbols' (an expensive book) by Jung is one I burned...

 

[Carl Emerson]

Renounciation is an essential step to faith in Jesus if you have formerly embraced gnostic philosophy.

 

[RDKirk]

Renounciation is an essential step to faith in Jesus if you have formerly embraced gnostic philosophy.

A public renunciation? No, it isn't. Remember, nobody has to demonstrate anything to you. Only his own congregation has to be satisfied.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

'Man and his Symbols' (an expensive book) by Jung is one I burned...

I wouldn't.

I'm not a psychologists, but as I understand him, Jung had most things right, some things wrong, and even Jordan Peterson
doesn't agree with everything Jung wrote.

 

[mourningdove~]

That doesn't mean he has to make a point of confessing it to you. Or to me.

No. He does not have to.

But, the question was this ...

If Jordan becomes a true believer, what would be the appropriate sign of there being a genuine transition of the soul to the Kingdom of Light ?

... and so my previous post was my answer to Carl's question.

(Respectfully, @RDKirk that you do not like my answer makes no difference in how I would answer the question.)

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Renounciation is an essential step to faith in Jesus if you have formerly embraced gnostic philosophy.

You mean "repentance," don't you?

No one has to renounce or repent to anyone other than God.

 

[zippy2006]

Indeed, so we must pray that he moves all the way into Christianity.

True, and it's worth noting that if Christianity were not divided then Peterson would probably have already converted. I think that is a big hurdle for him: choosing a 'side' amongst Christians.

 

[mourningdove~]

Jordan Peterson is dangerous to Christianity because he knows a lot about the Bible but is not a Christian himself.

It is true ...
that one can know alot 'about' Christianity, and yet not 'know' God.

 

[mourningdove~]

Renounciation is an essential step to faith in Jesus if you have formerly embraced gnostic philosophy.

Absolutely.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You mean "repentance," don't you?

No one has to renounce or repent to anyone other than God.

No I mean renounciation this comes after repentance... - the Greek means to speak against - a proclaimation of disowning the spiritual entities once embraced.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No I mean renounciation this comes after repentance... - the Greek means to speak against - a proclaimation of disowning the spiritual entities once embraced.

Salvation doesn't require renunciation, but repentance. Believing one philosophy isn't necessarily a sin and I
don't see anything Peterson believed about Gnosticism.

I'm open to be corrected If I'm wrong.

 

[Carl Emerson]

That’s true, although @Paidiske is right in that CF.com is a bit of a place of mixed messages, and there are even atheists on the forums who subtly critique Christianity. I love ChristianForums but its not ideal for someone who is in the position of needing to see authentic Christianity in all of its beauty, in order to free themselves from the religious embrace of Jungian philosophy.

We could invite him to a handpicked private group on CF ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Salvation doesn't require renunciation, but repentance. Believing one philosophy isn't necessarily a sin and I
don't see anything Peterson believed about Gnosticism.

I'm open to be corrected If I'm wrong.

Yes, repentance = Salvation... and renounciation = freedom from demonic oppression.

In ministry we commonly lead folks in confession, repentance, forgiveness, renounciation, cleanising, healing, filling, covering.

2 Corinthians 4:2
but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in trickery nor distorting the word of God, but by the open proclamation of the truth commending ourselves to every person’s conscience in the sight of God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

A public renunciation? No, it isn't. Remember, nobody has to demonstrate anything to you. Only his own congregation has to be satisfied.

Correct, it doesn't have to be public, but some are led to do this...

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

This would matter to me if he advertised himself as a Christian leader, pastor, etc. But he doesn't.

He claims he is a Christian and then he gets all emotional when people press him on if he believes in God (which is not even as big of a claim as believing in the resurrection of Christ). One time when he was on the Joe Rogan podcast he said he was agnostic about the resurrection and that's about as close as I have seen him get to saying he believes in the resurrection of Christ. Agnosticism does not save anyone. In fact, it's possible to believe in the resurrection and not be saved. Satan believes that, but he is described as the evil one.

 

[The Liturgist]

We could invite him to a handpicked private group on CF ?

That’s a good idea.

Hey, I sent you an important PM. I am adding a note on this

 

[mourningdove~]

Correct, it doesn't have to be public, but some are led to do this...

Especially if they have previously been public about their former beliefs ...

 

[The Liturgist]

Especially if they have previously been public about their former beliefs ...

I just sent @Carl Emerson a PM about how to do this technically, so before we discuss this further, I’d like to discuss that issue with him, but yes, you raise a valid point.

 

[The Liturgist]

'Man and his Symbols' (an expensive book) by Jung is one I burned...

I don’t burn books myself, except for Books of Mormon, the New World Translation, and the Christian Science book “Science and Health With Key to the Scriptures” when those books are freely given away, because I am opposed to the destruction of even of heretical documents, however, I do believe in not paying for heretical books wherever possible In such a way the author or their estate is not rewarded for it. This can be done by accessing it from a library, or purchasing it second hand, or at a book giveaway - it is remarkably easy to get books for free.