Jordan Peterson

[Lost Witness]

Feels as though Psychologists are severely under equipment to truly heal someone's mind unless they are Christian.
As the LORD is the breaker of chains and no medication is really going to heal or free anyone's mind. That's my opinion @Jesse Dornfeld

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

Feels as though Psychologists are severely under equipment to truly heal someone's mind unless they are Christian.
As the LORD is the breaker of chains and no medication is really going to heal or free anyone's mind. That's my opinion @Jesse Dornfeld

Your assumption is naive.

 

[seeking.IAM]

So you dont think Freud and Jung captured the minds of the age and led a diversion away from the invitation of Jesus?

I think neither had that intent or broad influence.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Just one last comment, but it is out of a legitimate concern, so I do not say this lightly but what if Peterson is a figure to which a synonymous statement could be made of him, "To deceive, if possible, even the elect."

That might just be me being paranoid, but I do feel I could be right about that. And if I could be right does that change your perception at all?

I have always believed that the elect will not be deceived for two reasons, first because they have the Spirit of Truth within, second because they are part of a body in which the discernment is corporate. So being in healthy fellowship is a place of safety.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think neither had that intent or broad influence.

Back in the day their influence was strong in my part of the world.

Such minds can be used to deceive without awareness of the deceiver.

 

[stevevw]

The rub is that action in itself does not save according to 1 Cor 13

But that is what I think Peterson is doing in his won way of explaining things.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

I have always believed that the elect will not be deceived for two reasons, first because they have the Spirit of Truth within, second because they are part of a body in which the discernment is corporate. So being in healthy fellowship is a place of safety.

Wrong kind of response. "I'm elect so I cannot be deceived," is a bit arrogant.

Anyways, Thanks for engaging me on this. I will not go on and on about this.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Wrong kind of response. "I'm elect so I cannot be deceived," is a bit arrogant.

Anyways, That's for engaging me on this. I will not go on and on about this.

What is arrogant about agreeing with scripture?

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

What is arrogant about agreeing with scripture?

I don't think it is arrogant to agree with scripture. I think it is arrogant to think, "It couldn't happen to me." The point of the verse that is in question is to tell us to NOT be arrogant about such things. To not think that we don't have to concern ourselves with such things, but the opposite: that we should concern ourselves with such things.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I don't think it is arrogant to agree with scripture. I think it is arrogant to think, "It couldn't happen to me." The point of the verse that is in question is to tell us to NOT be arrogant about such things. To not think that we don't have to concern ourselves with such things, but the opposite: that we should concern ourselves with such things.

So there is no room to know you will be saved?

 

[Lost Witness]

Your assumption is naive.

Oh?
My assumption is naive?
Have had a history of mental disabilities and none of the doctors I have talked to have ever helped me.
They just threw medications at me.
Christ is the only one that has ever helped me psychologically.
He heals the mind.
Medications typically hide the issue and while therapy may help...
True healing comes from the LORD

 

[Lost Witness]

If even....to me means more "if it were possible"?
we all know it's not because the LORD has declared simply he will not lose not one of his.
This is an indisputable fact

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

So there is no room to know you will be saved?

I believe scripture teaches that we can lose our salvation.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I believe scripture teaches that we can lose our salvation.

Then the verse would say it was possible.

 

[Lost Witness]

I believe scripture teaches that we can lose our salvation.

Scripture does warn of apostasy but the LORD has said, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." John 15:16

The LORD also says, “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" Matthew 24:13

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

I'm going to say this because it is the MOST important thing for you to know about Jordan Peterson: He is a Pragmatist in Purist fashion. Once you understand this everything else makes perfect sense.

The Pragmatic Theory of Truth (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[zippy2006]

He "was not following us," and was therefore not a follower of Christ. This is precisely Peterson, who has done "mighty works" in Christ's name. Even the sheer number of young people who have turned from nihilism and suicide on account of Peterson is sufficient.

Interesting parallel: Jordan Peterson as an exorcist.