Jordan Peterson

[All Becomes New]

Yes but to see is a gift - his time may not have yet come - maybe his prominence will yet be used to awaken many ???

We can hope and pray for that. But in a sense, he is actually further away from Christ than even a guy like Dawkins because he has, in his mind, a way to rationalize it away with actual reasons.

 

[Carl Emerson]

My argument is not that he is a fraud. It is that he already knows what Christianity is. He has studied Jung and Nietzcshe. He is well aware of the arguments. My only point is that he is not moving towards Christianity. People see that he has Christians on his shows so they think he is more open to Christianity. This is not the way I see it. He knows what Christianity stands for. He knows about Dr. Gary Habermas. I linked a video where he talked with John Lennox for a good amount of time and the conversation never got into the evidence for the resurrection of Christ once even though Lennox made a strong push to want to talk about that. People see that he gets emotional when talking about Christ and they think this means that he is close to considering it as true. The thing is, and what I am about to say is going to rub people the wrong way, Esau also wept when thinking about a similar thing, but he wept because he COULD NOT repent. That is what I fear is going on with Peterson when they see him cry over talking about Christ. That is my intuition. Now, I could be wrong, but if he cannot even talk about the resurrection of Christ without trying to psychoanalyze it as a psychological phenomenon rather than a reality, what does that say about him?

I hope you are wrong.. .

 

[All Becomes New]

I hope you are wrong.. .

So do I, actually.

 

[Ephesians321]

According to the Bible, both Hades and Heaven appear to be otherworldly and not bound by earthly time:

For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.
Psalm 90:4

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8

He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Revelation 20:2

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:3

 

[Carl Emerson]

In my rebellious years I was afraid of total commitment to Jesus it equated to the ultimate freak out.

So I liberalized my faith...

This is what may be holding Jordan back.

The ultimate loss of control and reputation ???

Yet this step is essential to enter the Kingdom.

Could we invite him on as a guest for a week ???

 

[Danny&Annie&theChristmas]

In my rebellious years I was afraid of total commitment to Jesus it equated to the ultimate freak out.

So I liberalized my faith...

This is what may be holding Jordan back.

The ultimate loss of control and reputation ???

Yet this step is essential to enter the Kingdom.

Could we invite him on as a guest for a week ???

He is struggling.

 

[InChristAlone525]

Yeah he started out very liberal. I watched his daughter's youtube channel in the last couple months and she admitted that her Dad was extremely liberal with her growing up. I can't remember what else she said about that, but that line stuck with me. So I see the internal struggle in her as well to submit to such a powerful authority as the Creator of the Universe. I think Jordan has a lot of regrets and a lot of demons who are wrestling with him. I am hopeful before he dies he will have a revelation that Jesus is real and he is King. For now it just seems like he's pushing the Christian storyline so that the world doesn't fall apart. It's as if he sees God as a way to control people's behavior, it's called moral therapeutic deism. Believe in a God to at least have a sense of morality. He said even if God isn't real you need to pray as a form of therapy. His wife's miracle seems to have put a dent in that belief at least.

 

[ozso]

To me he's just a guy with opinions.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hi There,

I notice Dr. Jordan Peterson is getting a lot of air time.

My concern is that he not only has some appeal among the intellectual elite but from many in the body of Christ also.

I am not convinced that he has moved on from his Jungian philosophical base which is subtly deceptive and dismisses the heart of the Gospel.

I would love to be corrected if anyone can give hard facts that he has a living faith in Christ.

A wealth of common sense and a sharp mind is admirable but when 1500 including many believers fly to London to hear him I feel uneasy.

My take is that he is unlikely to embrace the Gospel until he renounces the Jungian atheistic concept of "archetypes" in which God is merely a concept that man needs to believe.

I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson but I know that a lot of folks out there are. Some of them are political conservatives who latch onto anyone who seems to advocate for their political leaning, and I think Perterson gets subscribed to more often than not as a part of this political affinity. Many people like to gather around themselves selected voices to create an echo chamber and Peterson, whether fully Christian or not, lends his 'PhD' toward this sort of politicized nostalgia.

I think it's fine if people want to listen to Jordan Peterson and they may gain a few insights from him which they didn't have before. He's educated, obviously, and I can appreciate that, but so are thousands upon thousands of other people.

The problem with Peterson though, as it is with many celebrities and pundits and gurus, is that folks clamp onto him as their one lone guru and he becomes their sole dispenser of "all that is relevant in the world." I think that's a truncated way to try to understand the world...or Christianity ... and people would be wise to hear other viewpoints, even opposing ones, in order to gain fuller or more complex views and accounts of how to see our world.

 

[dzheremi]

It's weird to have a thread like this speculating on an individual who none of us know, and where they could be on some kind of 'faith journey' that for all we know he is not even having.

Anyway, I don't get the whole Jordan Peterson thing. Maybe it's just because I'm older than the majority of his fanbase seems to be, but I heard about him before I ever heard him, so I found his message incredibly underwhelming, as I don't need some right-wing Canadian YouTube philosophy dork to tell me to clean my room and make my bed or whatever. The fact that he's considered some kind of visionary or leader by anyone anywhere is just really, really sad. Maybe some prayers are due for his 'followers', too, if that's the right word to use.

 

[Danny&Annie&theChristmas]

I have no problem with Jordan Peterson and am a casual fan. I find the statements of his detractors rather amusing.

 

[RDKirk]

Correct, but we will have to wait and see how the matter plays out. So far I see folks being distracted from the Gospel and Salvation as they hang on his words.

Are the Christians who listen to Peterson being distracted from the Gospel? That is, having truly believed Christ, are they likely to reject Christ because of Peterson?

 

[RDKirk]

It's weird to have a thread like this speculating on an individual who none of us know, and where they could be on some kind of 'faith journey' that for all we know he is not even having.

'Way back when was a college freshman, one of my earliest philosophy professors was a man who had made a "faith journey" of many years from the Judaism he'd been raised in to atheism and eventually to Christianity. I only knew of that because of an interesting turn of events that's a testimony in itself. But from what Peterson himself has been saying, he seems to be on that same kind of faith journey.

Anyway, I don't get the whole Jordan Peterson thing. Maybe it's just because I'm older than the majority of his fanbase seems to be, but I heard about him before I ever heard him, so I found his message incredibly underwhelming, as I don't need some right-wing Canadian YouTube philosophy dork to tell me to clean my room and make my bed or whatever. The fact that he's considered some kind of visionary or leader by anyone anywhere is just really, really sad. Maybe some prayers are due for his 'followers', too, if that's the right word to use.

Well, Peterson spent a number of years as a practicing psychology clinician, then as a college professor...so he's a bit more than a "YouTube philosophy dork." I do think his sudden fame is detrimental to him, though, and his stretching him beyond his real area of expertise. That would be the main reason why you don't make new Christians your doctrinal authority.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Are the Christians who listen to Peterson being distracted from the Gospel? That is, having truly believed Christ, are they likely to reject Christ because of Peterson?

I was thinking more in terms of seekers.

The flesh looks for an alternative to the Gospel and principled humanitarian alternatives draw many away from the Truth.

 

[RDKirk]

I was thinking more in terms of seekers.

The flesh looks for an alternative to the Gospel and principled humanitarian alternatives draw many away form the Truth.

Inasmuch as Peterson says positive things about Christianity, it can also go the other way.

There are 99 things that should concern Christians, but Peterson isn't really one of them.

 

[Danny&Annie&theChristmas]

I think he is much more of a threat to the Canadian deep state establishment than he is to Christians.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Inasmuch as Peterson says positive things about Christianity, it can also go the other way.

There are 99 things that should concern Christians, but Peterson isn't really one of them.

OK watch this space - it is anticipated that his ARC conferences will grow massively.

 

[zippy2006]

I think Bishop Robert Barron has a very accurate understanding of Peterson, and just a few days ago he spoke about Peterson and the way he has attracted many atheists to the Bible (timestamped link). In sum, Peterson's understanding is good, helpful, and yet incomplete.

 

[Paidiske]

In my rebellious years I was afraid of total commitment to Jesus it equated to the ultimate freak out.

So I liberalized my faith...

This is what may be holding Jordan back.

The ultimate loss of control and reputation ???

Yet this step is essential to enter the Kingdom.

Could we invite him on as a guest for a week ???

Invite him on here, to CF? That is the last place I'd invite someone who isn't sure of their faith. There's far too much here that would give people plenty of good reason to walk away.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Invite him on here, to CF? That is the last place I'd invite someone who isn't sure of their faith. There's far too much here that would give people plenty of good reason to walk away.

Is that cup half empty?

There are also folks who might just bring the inspired Word he needs.