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Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

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Then your view is that there is nothing intrinsically sinful with intentionally refusing to offer God worship for extended periods of time (assuming no mental or physical impediment for doing so)?
I do not see worship as something we physically give to God (like some substitution of the Old Testament offerings), I see it as our various forms of expression of our positive emotions towards Him.

Therefore, I do not know how to answer your question. Is it related to something in this thread? I do not see a connection.
 
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My friends we have a high calling. Forget Moses. Follow Paul. Follow Jesus. Seek the wisdom of the mature.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The 2 Corinthians 3 passage-discourse is about the Exodus 34 changes to the covenant after Yisrael had committed adultery and worshiped the golden calf. The content, which Paul calls in his discourse "the old covenant" is only the few following verses from the passage. It is unfortunate that very few translations render certain key statements for what they actually say in the Hebrew text, so I am forced herein to offer the YLT, (Young's Literal Translation), which is unfortunately a little difficult to understand: but I will highlight several key points with bold and underlining.

Exodus 34:11-27 YLT (Young's Literal Translation)
11 'Observe for thyself that which I am commanding thee to-day: lo, I am casting out from before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite;
12 take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitant of the land into which thou art going, lest it become a snare in thy midst;
13 for their altars ye break down, and their standing pillars ye shiver, and its shrines ye cut down;
14 for ye do not bow yourselves to another god--for Jehovah, whose name is Zealous, is a zealous God.
15 'Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitant of the land, and they have gone a-whoring after their gods, and have sacrificed to their gods, and one hath called to thee, and thou hast eaten of his sacrifice,
16 and thou hast taken of their daughters to thy sons, and their daughters have gone a-whoring after their gods, and have caused thy sons to go a-whoring after their gods;
17 a molten god thou dost not make to thyself.
18 'The feast of unleavened things thou dost keep; seven days thou dost eat unleavened things, as I have commanded thee, at an appointed time, the month of Abib: for in the month of Abib thou didst come out from Egypt.
19 'All opening a womb are Mine, and every firstling of thy cattle born a male, ox or sheep;
20 and the firstling of an ass thou dost ransom with a lamb; and if thou dost not ransom, then thou hast beheaded it; every first-born of thy sons thou dost ransom, and they do not appear before Me empty.
21 'Six days thou dost work, and on the seventh day thou dost rest; in ploughing-time and in harvest thou dost rest.
22 'And a feast of weeks thou dost observe for thyself; first-fruits of wheat-harvest; and the feast of in-gathering, at the revolution of the year.
23 'Three times in a year do all thy males appear before the Lord Jehovah, God of Israel;
24 for I dispossess nations from before thee, and have enlarged thy border, and no man doth desire thy land in thy going up to appear before Jehovah thy God three times in a year.
25 'Thou dost not slaughter with a fermented thing the blood of My sacrifice; and the sacrifice of the feast of the passover doth not remain till morning:
26 the first of the first-fruits of the land thou dost bring into the house of Jehovah thy God; thou dost not boil a kid in its mother's milk.'
27 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, 'Write for thyself these words, for, according to the tenor of these words I have made with thee a covenant, and with Israel.'

The Most High has essentially turned them over to themselves because of their rebellion. The above feasts and festivals are to be observed for themselves rather than what is stated in the first covenant, "unto Me", (Exodus 23:14).

Before the golden calf incident:

Exodus 23:14-17 YLT
14 'Three times thou dost keep a feast to Me in a year;
15 the Feast of Unleavened things thou dost keep; seven days thou dost eat unleavened things, as I have commanded thee, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in it thou hast come forth out of Egypt, and ye do not appear in My presence empty;
16 and the Feast of Harvest, the first fruits of thy works which thou sowest in the field; and the Feast of the In-Gathering, in the outgoing of the year, in thy gathering thy works out of the field.
17 'Three times in a year do all thy males appear before the face of the Lord Jehovah.

This is surely not the same and the Prophets see, perceive, and understand this, and expound on it.

Isaiah 1:10-15 KJV
10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
 
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I do not see worship as something we physically give to God (like some substitution of the Old Testament offerings), I see it as our various forms of expression of our positive emotions towards Him.

Therefore, I do not know how to answer your question. Is it related to something in this thread? I do not see a connection.
I am still trying to understand whether you truly believe that the Christian has no obligation to worship God, as your previous posts seems to suggest.

Let's take your definition of worship. If a Christian refuses (assuming no impediments) to worship God for an extended period of time using your definition, would you consider that to be a sin?
 
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I am still trying to understand whether you truly believe that the Christian has no obligation to worship God, as your previous posts seems to suggest.

Let's take your definition of worship. If a Christian refuses (assuming no impediments) to worship God for an extended period of time using your definition, would you consider that to be a sin?
Because worship can mean many things and because refusing can mean many things, I do not have any clear answer.

If you felt angry towards God, this is the thing I would consider sin to confess. Not the fact that you did not read the Bible for a year, for example.
 
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I am still trying to understand whether you truly believe that the Christian has no obligation to worship God, as your previous posts seems to suggest.

Let's take your definition of worship. If a Christian refuses (assuming no impediments) to worship God for an extended period of time using your definition, would you consider that to be a sin?
We worship in spirit and truth now. Thats the kind of worship God desires. These are the true worshippers of God. Not worship as they did before Christ. The spirit is given to us not them.
 
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Because worship can mean many things and because refusing can mean many things, I do not have any clear answer.

If you felt angry towards God, this is the thing I would consider sin to confess. Not the fact that you did not read the Bible for a year, for example.
Our worship is in spirit and truth.
 
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We worship in spirit and truth now. Thats the kind of worship God desires. These are the true worshippers of God. Not worship as they did before Christ. The spirit is given to us not them.
That's cool but every Christian thinks that he worships in spirit and truth. I haven't met any Christians who go around saying that they worship in the flesh and lies, ya know?

So we are still left with the question of what that entails, I think. The SDA certainly think that they worship in spirit and truth.
 
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That's cool but every Christian thinks that he worships in spirit and truth. I haven't met any Christians who go around saying that they worship in the flesh and lies, ya know?

So we are still left with the question of what that entails, I think. The SDA certainly think that they worship in spirit and truth.
Perhaps if we had the wisdom of the mature we would know what that worship is. We should seek to find out what it means .
 
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Because worship can mean many things and because refusing can mean many things, I do not have any clear answer.

If you felt angry towards God, this is the thing I would consider sin to confess. Not the fact that you did not read the Bible for a year, for example.
That's cool. You seem really adverse to admitting that a Christian should have an obligation to worship God (regardless of the particular timing or method) but I'm not quite sure why. I think you would agree that the Lord is worthy to be praised. If the Lord is worthy to be praised does it not logically follow that man should have a natural obligation to worship him?

I suspect that you believe that man has an obligation to worship God, but that your fear is that recognition of that obligation will lead to some sort of formal or legalistic formula that man must follow (he must go to church once a week, he must read the bible once a year, etc.) which is incompatible with your notion of freedom in Christ?

But correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Perhaps if we had the wisdom of the mature we would know what that worship is. We should seek to find out what it means .
Let me guess. You know what that worship is and people who worship differently than you (such as the SDA) do not know what that worship is?

What a coincidence.
 
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Let me guess. You know what that worship is and people who worship differently than you (such as the SDA) do not know what that worship is?

What a coincidence.
Worship is sitting at the Lords feet and listening to his words instad of being worried about the cares of this life. It's meditating on his word too. This is love for God with our mind. We put it in our heart by practicing it. Thats loving God with our heart. We also love God with our strength and soul.
 
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Let me guess. You know what that worship is and people who worship differently than you (such as the SDA) do not know what that worship is?

What a coincidence.
We leave the world and sit at his feet listening to his teaching. That's worship.

Luke 10:38 Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house. 39 And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at [k]Jesus’ feet and heard His word. 40 But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me.”

41 And [l]Jesus answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. 42 But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her.”
 
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Worship is sitting at the Lords feet and listening to his words instad of being worried about the cares of this life. It's meditating on his word too. This is love for God with our mind. We put it in our heart by practicing it. Thats loving God with our heart. We also love God with our strength and soul.
I think that is a good start. I don't disagree with anything written here.
 
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Nobody has the authority to countermand God, so everyone has the choice of whether to have faith in God or man in regard to whether or not to keep the 7th day holy.
Well somehow at some point in time Christianity began gathering for worship on Sunday. When and where did that happen?
 
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Well somehow at some point in time Christianity began gathering for worship on Sunday. When and where did that happen?
Well here we can get into the canon-rabbit hole. If authority derives from what is explicitly taught in Sacred Scripture, then we must determine who has the authority to declare what books are scripture and what books are not scripture.

The same body that had the authority to declare what is scripture and bind that on the Christian church, is the same body with the authority to change the date.
 
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