BobRyan said:
Paul is using the term as we would use it today "I can't be at that event with you tomorrow - but I am with you in spirit". We do not mean that we die and our spirit goes to someone's house etc.
I was just pointing out that we can't use Genesis 2 to define every meaning for the term no matter the context.
It looks like you are talking about the following post by me --
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IN that context it is because the body is only dust at that point.
2 Cor 5:1-4 calls it the "unclothed" state of the spirit/soul "WE do not want to be unclothed" as Paul says.
Context determines meaning so then in 1 Cor 5:3 Paul says - "3 For I indeed, as
absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed."
Paul does not mean he is dead, or that he is having an out of body experience, or that his soul/spirit travels around while his body is in location "a" , his spirit/soul is at location "b". It is an entirely different context for that same term.
In Gen 2 God forms man's body , breathes into him the breath of life and man "becomes" a "living soul" and everyone agrees with this one. But what happens at the first death? -- in that case they "kill the body but not the soul" Matt 10:28 which means you can't just use the "became a living sol" as the definition because that is the special case of bringing a soul into existence in the first place (which is always the case of both a living body and a spirit joined and a living soul as the result)..
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So then there are
two bodies in 1 Cor 15. One is this one we have now - and the other one is the immortal body given at the resurrection according to 1 Cor 15.
Then in 2 Cor 5 we have the same reference to
two bodies. One is this current decaying tent (that will go to dust) and the other one is the immortal one -- just as in the 1 Cor 15 statement
So unless you feel you will get two immortal bodies - after you die -- we have 2 Cor 5 relying on the reader being informed by the 1 Cor 15 statements about the two bodies. One in this life and the next one at the resurrection.
1 Cor 15
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So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable
body, it is
raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual
body. 45 So also it is written: “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” The last Adam
was a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy one, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly one, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now I say this, brothers
and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I am telling you a mystery;
we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal
must put on immortality.
1 Cor 15 above --
The second body is received at the resurrection from the dead at the last trumpet - the trumpet sounds and the dead are raised.
1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers
and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest
of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose
from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.
2 Cor 5:
For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For indeed in this
house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, 3 inasmuch as
we, having put it on,
will not be found naked. 4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because
we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is
mortal will be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.
Once we have put on that 1 Cor 15 --- second body we will
not be found naked "A dormant soul without a body -- "
The unclothed "naked" state is the intermediate one between the decay/destruction/dust of this body and the future resurrection with its second body.
"mortal swallowed up by life" in 2 Cor 5 is called "death swallowed up by victory" in 1 Cor 15
1 Cor 15: "54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “
Death is swallowed up in victory."