UFOs

[SeventhFisherofMen]

what about the can? I’ve never heard that.

couldn't find the can story, it was an example similar to one told to me by word of mouth that explained carbon dating as being innacurate.

I did find this article about a Carbon dating event in the 50's that was off by over 1,000 years which is quite troubling. I'll summarize that it said a grave yard was found dating to a specific time but one of the bodies found there was dated as being over 1,000 years old than the site that was dated which doesn't make sense and something that is off by 1,000 years doesn't sound accurate to me.

Here is the quote from the 50's:

"One of the most controversial sites for ancient dating is the Czechia Brandýsek burial site. The Brandýsek burials dated to the Bell Beaker period were explored between 1955 and 1956.

Archaeologists uncovered graves, half of which were destroyed by mining operations. They found 23 people from 22 graves alongside artifacts such as pottery, a bone pendant and flint arrowheads.

Based on both radiocarbon and archaeological context, the site was dated to the Bell Beaker period(4,800–3,800 years ago). However, the same study radiocarbon dated one of the skeletons to around (5,500 years ago)."

This is the source

It is commonly cited that carbon dating only works within 50,000 years yet people still claim things are billions of years old.

Either way there will be a day that the books are opened in Heaven and the truth is revealed as to how old the Earth really is. As far as I'm concerned I don't really care if it's not a salvation issue I just don't like people distorting the truth to somehow try and disprove Christianity as if dating something with an innacurate method disproves the Bible, cause it doesn't. If anything creation proves the existence of a God.

 

[rocknanchor]

It's potentially too horrible to mention. Please forgive me for being so tantalizing and mysterious.

I will tell you that UFOs (aka UAPs) are potentially fallen angels.

A spiritually safe place to start. But, to ease the 'horror' of these instances, are we forbidden to consider, His foretelling of certain things which, I think the scholar has far too well underestimated the potential,

And I will show wonders in the heaven above, and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and vapor of smoke. (Acts 2:19)

 

[Jipsah]

I said I’d start a thread about UFOs so here it is. The news reported recently that there definitely are UFOs which can’t be explained. Not saying they’re aliens, but they don’t know what they are. What do you all think of UFOs?

Any flying thing that you can't recognize is a UFO. Most, if not all, are airplanes, or something equally unexciting. Aliens and demons make a much better story, though.

 

[Jipsah]

It's potentially too horrible to mention. Please forgive me for being so tantalizing and mysterious.
I will tell you that UFOs (aka UAPs) are potentially fallen angels.

So if you see something in the sky, and you can't tell what it is, then you reckon it's most likely to be a fallen angel. Sorry, but I think that's nonsense.

 

[Jipsah]

Lies/deceptions of government and science, with the added help of the media to play up the deception.​

Or Southwest 1238 in its way to Los Angeles with the sun behind it. But that's no fun.

 

[Jipsah]

Too many repudiable people have seen things that cannot be explained.

So somebody has to jump in a provide an altogether unlikely "explanation".

I have seen a couple objects I could not identify. They were flying. So...

Aliens from the Planet Zorch. Or demons from hell. Couln't be anything else.

 

[Jipsah]

People who don't know what they're seeing might jump to conclusions. For instance, a pilot described one UAP as a cube within a transparent sphere. We have radar jamming technology that fits that description. It looks like a cube within a transparent sphere, but if you weren't aware of that you might wrongly conclude that it's alien technology. It isn't alien technology. It's ours.

Well you're quite the killjoy, aren't you? People with lots of emotional capital invested in aliens and/or flying demons will be left desolate if that's true.

There is talk of non-human pilots

Like in drones? Heaven forfend!

, but not even non-human biologics necessarily points to aliens

Houseflies aren't aliens?

Regarding the seemingly impossible movements that some supposed craft take, much of it might be illusion. Take photons, for instance. Light can change direction quite quickly. Shine a laser pointer at the wall and move the dot around. Is that dot a craft? Do its sudden movements defy the laws of physics? Of course not. Cutting edge photonics and holographics are much more advanced than a simple laser pointer.

Heresy!

I think UFO/UAP sightings are real, and should be investigated by the government. I'm open to the possibility that we're not alone in the universe, but until there is tangible evidence that it's alien technology or something angelic/demonic I'm more inclined to think that it's of human origin.

If you
re a betting man, that's certainly the way to bet.

Potentially. If they are angelic beings, however, it's also possible that they're not fallen.

If they're angelic beings they're remarkably silly ones.

 

[Jipsah]

Okay. What do you think UFOs are?

Usually airplanes. Sorry, but in 90% of cases investigated, aircraft, or some other altogether non-spooky object, is what it turns out to be. The rest, there's not enough information to say, but the odds are pretty good that given more information, they'd turn out to be boring stuff as well.

Disappointing, innit?

 

[Jipsah]

If there was debris, it would likely be identifiable as something prosaic

Which would lead a reasonable person to conclude that it was, in fact, something prosaic unless there was some evidence that it was not.

 

[Jipsah]

After everything is examined according to the 1% of UFO sightings that are not hoaxes or mistaken views of stars and reflected light, then the only conclusion arrived at can only be a demonic source.

You could as easily conclude that the source must be sentient carrots, Hitlerites using secret Nazi technology developed during WW2, demons, leprechauns, or anything else that your imagination can provide.

The only valid conclusion to be drawn from an the absence of evidence as to what something is, is that you don't know what it is. No evidence is no evidence, and drawing a conclusion based on the absence of data is ridiculous.

 

[Jipsah]

there are actually some people who still think the earth is flat

They're obviously from Kansas and not Tennessee.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

So somebody has to jump in a provide an altogether unlikely "explanation".

Aliens from the Planet Zorch. Or demons from hell. Couln't be anything else.

Nope... just objects flying that are unidentified.. If you don't have anything to offer... please do not insult those who are having a peaceful discussion. Just move along.

 

[Jipsah]

Nope... just objects flying that are unidentified.. If you don't have anything to offer... please do not insult those who are having a peaceful discussion. Just move along.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I reckon I'll pass. I know, it's probably in bad taste to allow logic to intrude in a religious discussion, but I like to do it just for the novelty of the thing.

So are you of the "UFOs Are Aliens" persuasion, or the "UFOs are demons" faith? Does it trouble you at all that of the 90% sightings that have been identified, none have shown any evidence of being either alien or demonic?

 

[FaithT]

They're obviously from Kansas and not Tennessee.

LLOL!

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

What do you all think of UFOs?

Distraction and deception. It is written that when Jesus returns, angels will appear and sound a trumpet, but if you get hooked on this UFO report, you'll see those angels as UFO and the second coming as alien invasion. Satan is programming you with this stuff.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You could as easily conclude that the source must be sentient carrots, Hitlerites using secret Nazi technology developed during WW2, demons, leprechauns, or anything else that your imagination can provide.

The only valid conclusion to be drawn from an the absence of evidence as to what something is, is that you don't know what it is. No evidence is no evidence, and drawing a conclusion based on the absence of data is ridiculous.

How about giving your theory on what they are.

 

[FaithT]

How about giving your theory on what they are.

Not addressed to me but I have absolutely NO idea what they are. Aliens? I dunno.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I reckon I'll pass. I know, it's probably in bad taste to allow logic to intrude in a religious discussion, but I like to do it just for the novelty of the thing.

So are you of the "UFOs Are Aliens" persuasion, or the "UFOs are demons" faith? Does it trouble you at all that of the 90% sightings that have been identified, none have shown any evidence of being either alien or demonic?

I am neither.
Thank you.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Not addressed to me but I have absolutely NO idea what they are. Aliens? I dunno.

How about just ignore it and keep our eyes on Jesus.

 

[JM]

The Cultish podcast lays it all out.