The Temple and the Sacrifices.

[dfw69]

Note well that 1 Corinthians 3:15 says we must pass through fire.
The Lord Promises to protect His own, as they stand firm in their faith, as He did for the three men in the furnace.

Paul is not saying the fire refers to the tribulation ..that’s your assumption…God does not test His children.. you do not understand the good news

 

[David Kent]

But 1 Peter 4:12 does say we will face a test by fire. So who are you to contradict the over 70 Prophesies that say there is coming a terrible judgment/punishment by fire? Matthew 13:39-42

Many, many, Christian believers have had to pass the test by fire to death.

 

[keras]

Peter was speaking to his fellow Christians of his day who were undergoing extreme persecution, threats of death, and martyrdom. Not every Christian experiences that.

How can you say that some of the Books written by Peter, or anyone else, don't apply to us?
We are told that ALL scripture is for our instruction and edification.
1 Peter 4:12, is plainly in the context of general teachings.

The saying that you have coined we must pass through fire is what the priests of Molech preached, in convincing people to offer up their children as sacrifices to Molech. There is no passing through fire in Christianity. It is an abomination.

Practises of other religions, have nothing to do with what God does. the three men in the furnace, proved their faith by fire>

You are wrong on all counts, There IS coming a great test by fire onto all of the world, as 2 Peter 3:7 and more than 70 other Prophesies tell us.

 

[keras]

Paul is not saying the fire refers to the tribulation ..that’s your assumption…God does not test His children.. you do not understand the good news

God does test us; in everyday things and in the forthcoming Day the Lord will strike the world in His anger. Isaiah 2:12-22

If you wish to escape the testing, then Hebrews 12:8 describes what you are.

Many, many, Christian believers have had to pass the test by fire to death.

They are the martyrs, killed by men; whose souls are seen by John; Revelation 6:9-11
The coming test by fire, is to see how well we do trust the Lord. He will save those who keep their faith and who call upon His Name.

 

[Douggg]

How can you say that some of the Books written by Peter, or anyone else, don't apply to us?
We are told that ALL scripture is for our instruction and edification.
1 Peter 4:12, is plainly in the context of general teachings.

Practises of other religions, have nothing to do with what God does. the three men in the furnace, proved their faith by fire>

You are wrong on all counts, There IS coming a great test by fire onto all of the world, as 2 Peter 3:7 and more than 70 other Prophesies tell us.

 

[David Kent]

God does test us; in everyday things and in the forthcoming Day the Lord will strike the world in His anger. Isaiah 2:12-22

If you wish to escape the testing, then Hebrews 12:8 describes what you are.

They are the martyrs, killed by men; whose souls are seen by John; Revelation 6:9-11
The coming test by fire, is to see how well we do trust the Lord. He will save those who keep their faith and who call upon His Name.

The martyrs were faithful unto death by many means, by fire and any of the evil tortures of the Inquisition and other agencies.

 

[David Kent]

But the Bible does tell of a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Ezekiel 40 to 46
It will be God's Temple and His glory will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4.
At the mid point of the final 7 years of this age, a powerful leader will enter the Temple and desecrate it, as Revelation 13:6, 2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 9:27, tell us.

Ignoring these plainly stated scriptures is foolishness and nothing short of rejecting the holy Word.

It is not ignoring scriptures to say that you are wrong.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

 

[keras]

The martyrs were faithful unto death by many means, by fire and any of the evil tortures of the Inquisition and other agencies.

We were discussing our testing.
By everyday temptations and our many failures.

But what I promote and warn about, is the forthcoming Day that the Lord will arise and destroy His enemies. As is comprehensively prophesied.
Knowing about that terrible Day, will be very helpful when it suddenly occurs.

 

[keras]

It is not ignoring scriptures to say that you are wrong.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

I pointed out some of the clearly stated Prophesies which confirm there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times and the Millennium. You reject some of Gods Word?
For this Church age, of nearly 2000 years and now nearly over; WE Christians are the Spiritual Temple of God. I acknowledge this truth, but it does not preclude a new physical Temple.

 

[dfw69]

God does test us; in everyday things and in the forthcoming Day the Lord will strike the world in His anger. Isaiah 2:12-22

The day of the Lord is for His enemies who deny Him and who persecute His elect

If you wish to escape the testing, then Hebrews 12:8 describes what you are.

I am not a Hebrew …I do not bound myself to the law …I do not walk in the law… i keep 2 commandments to love God and love others as God …I put my trust in His fulfillment of the law ..I put my faith in His sacrifice for me .. I trust His death in the law has sent me free from judgement because it judge Him . I believe He is my sacrificial Lamb and I believe death will Passover me when I am raptured or resurrected?

As for the judgement to come? He is my Passover against the day of the Lords judgement by way of Rapture

 

[David Kent]

I pointed out some of the clearly stated Prophesies which confirm there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times and the Millennium. You reject some of Gods Word?
For this Church age, of nearly 2000 years and now nearly over; WE Christians are the Spiritual Temple of God. I acknowledge this truth, but it does not preclude a new physical Temple.

As someone has already said any new temple offering sacrifices will not be a temple of God for:
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[David Kent]

Too generalized for me to comment on whether the Jesuits were correct or not.

What I do know is that the Pope/Papacy is not the Antichrist, nor beast-king.

Well you disagree with hundreds of years of Christian testimony and millions of martyrs who suffered under the papal antichrist.

 

[keras]

The day of the Lord is for His enemies who deny Him and who persecute His elect

Yes, and we will be here to experience it too.
Why else are we told, three times, to: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved.

You have faith, very good, but the Prophetic Word is quite clear: there is coming a Day when that faith will be tested. Luke 21:34-36
It is proved by many other scriptures, that the 'escape' in verse 36, is not removal but protection to pass safely through it all.

 

[keras]

Well you disagree with hundreds of years of Christian testimony and millions of martyrs who suffered under the papal antichrist.

Explain then, why will the 'beast' destroy the great harlot, who is obviously the RCC? Revelation 17:15-18

 

[David Kent]

Explain then, why will the 'beast' destroy the great harlot, who is obviously the RCC? Revelation 17:15-18

That happened in the French Revelation, when the churches were burnt, priests were ordered to leave the country within two weeks but while they were leaving they were ,killed. Both those were in retribution for exactly the same happened to the Huguenots right up to the revolution. Churches were used as stables. Then the revolution spread all over Europe even Rome and the churches were desecrated and the Pope exiled to France.

 

[keras]

That happened in the French Revelation, when the churches were burnt, priests were ordered to leave the country within two weeks but while they were leaving they were ,killed. Both those were in retribution for exactly the same happened to the Huguenots right up to the revolution. Churches were used as stables. Then the revolution spread all over Europe even Rome and the churches were desecrated and the Pope exiled to France.

So the French had a revelation?
Laughs aside, your attempt to throw Bible Prophecy into the past, fails miserably. Napolean's arrest of the Pope and exile to France, was not and could not have been, the fulfilment of Revelation 17:15-18

 

[David Kent]

Revolution. This predictive text always gets me. Corrected.

So the French had a revelation?
Laughs aside, your attempt to throw Bible Prophecy into the past, fails miserably. Napolean's arrest of the Pope and exile to France, was not and could not have been, the fulfilment of Revelation 17:15-18

Why not? It is easy to say that, but you give no reason.

Napoleon was only a small part of it. The reign of terror was when the 10 horns burnt the harlot. It was not only France, but all over Europe, especially Rome. Napoleon started off against Rome but then revived it and tried to unite all of Europe under the Pope.

 

[keras]

Why not? It is easy to say that, but you give no reason.

The reason that the preterist view is wrong is; what did happen simply doesn't match what is Prophesied. Only by a big stretch of the imagination, can it be made to roughly fit.
But the main reason, is the fact that all of Revelation from Rev 6:12 to the end, remains unfulfilled. All those things and events will commence with the Sixth Seal world changer, which will enable the formation of a One World Govt, that will quickly be taken over by a man who Revelation calls the 'beast'. He, and his 10 other leaders, will destroy the RCC and dethrone the Pope. Revelation 17:12-18, Daniel 11:36-37

 

[dfw69]

Yes, and we will be here to experience it too.
Why else are we told, three times, to: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved.

That’s instructions for those who will experience the day of the Lord which is not going to take place until after the falling away, which I believe will be caused by the false Messianic age which will persecute those who put their faith and beliefs in the return of Jesus, and after the man of sin comes at the fulfillment of Dan 70 week and last 7 years of the false Messianic age

You have faith, very good, but the Prophetic Word is quite clear: there is coming a Day when that faith will be tested. Luke 21:34-36

Keras this takes place at the end of the false messianic age …It will be judgement day for the false messianic age which has not yet developed yet ..

It is proved by many other scriptures, that the 'escape' in verse 36, is not removal but protection to pass safely through it all.

Jesus was answering Jewish questions from a Jewish standpoint pertaining to Jewish things Keras when He returns to reign over them and establish the kingdom. The only ones worthy to escape will be the 144000 who will be translated to heaven and the others who flee to a Petra

No one should be expected these things to take place anytime soon . The return of Christ , the day of judgement, the sealing of the 144000, the wrath, the prophetic signs of rev are not taking place in our day and age…

Not until 2 things takes place first as Paul taught which is the falling away from the belief in the father and son doctrine in favor of a false messianic age and at the end of that false messianic age the man of sin comes claiming to be God who will lead a rebellion against the Father and the Son to wage war against them

 

[keras]

the false Messianic age

I do not see this concept anywhere in prophecy.
There will be a world ruler, referred to in Revelation 13, as the beast. People will worship him as a god, but not as a Messiah.

The testing of our faith and trust in the Lord, will be at the Sixth Seal, the next Prophesied event. Then: those who stood the test, will be blessed as they go to live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land.
Thoe who fail this great test, constitute the apostasy; the falling away.