Seperating baptists and ana-baptists

[FireDragon76]

Baptists were founded by John Smyth who was a former Anglican cleric who re-baptized himself because he didn't believe in infant Baptism. They are influenced by Calvinist theology. Anabaptists include Mennonites, Amish, Hutterites etc. They separated from the Roman Catholic Church. The Amish separated from the Mennonites etc.

Most early Anabaptists also didn't insist on immersion, they practiced effusion (pouring) usually. Baptists insist on immersion.

 

[RileyG]

Most early Anabaptists also didn't insist on immersion, they practiced effusion (pouring) usually. Baptists insist on immersion.

Yes! Thanks for the clarification

 

[Indybap]

Baptists were founded by John Smyth who was a former Anglican cleric who re-baptized himself because he didn't believe in infant Baptism. They are influenced by Calvinist theology. Anabaptists include Mennonites, Amish, Hutterites etc. They separated from the Roman Catholic Church. The Amish separated from the Mennonites etc.

Well tell this to historians who say Baptist's have no known human founder. Many Baptist's also reject Calvinism. Not because they disagree with eternal security, but God choosing who does and doesn't go to heaven regardless of their freedom to receive Christ or not.

Have a read of the Battle for Baptist history by I K Cross... Or My Church by J M Moody.

The denominational name Baptist may have a founder...but not Baptist distinctives in doctrine. Donatists , Waldenses, Paulicians had these distinctives and they go way back. Well before John Smyth.

 

[FireDragon76]

Well tell this to historians who say Baptist's have no known human founder. Many Baptist's also reject Calvinism. Not because they disagree with eternal security, but God choosing who does and doesn't go to heaven regardless of their freedom to receive Christ or not.

Have a read of the Battle for Baptist history by I K Cross... Or My Church by J M Moody.

The denominational name Baptist may have a founder...but not Baptist distinctives in doctrine. Donatists , Waldenses, Paulicians had these distinctives and they go way back. Well before John Smyth.

The earliest Baptist came out of the English Dissenter and Puritan movements and were influenced heavily by those movements. Baptists have more in common with Congregationalists than those above mentioned groups. The earliest antecedent to the Dissenters and Puritans were the Lollards, descendants of the followers of John Wycliffe, a medieval English philosopher, theologian, and political theorist, who lived before the Reformation.

Waldensians survived into the present day. They are part of the worldwide fellowship of Reformed churches.

 

[RileyG]

Well tell this to historians who say Baptist's have no known human founder. Many Baptist's also reject Calvinism. Not because they disagree with eternal security, but God choosing who does and doesn't go to heaven regardless of their freedom to receive Christ or not.

Have a read of the Battle for Baptist history by I K Cross... Or My Church by J M Moody.

The denominational name Baptist may have a founder...but not Baptist distinctives in doctrine. Donatists , Waldenses, Paulicians had these distinctives and they go way back. Well before John Smyth.

I'm not entirely knowledgeable, but the founder of the Baptist sect was John Smyth. All denominations have a founder.

 

[Indybap]

I'm not entirely knowledgeable, but the founder of the Baptist sect was John Smyth. All denominations have a founder.

from the “Apud Opera” pp> 112, 113 By Cardinal Hosius, President of the Council of Trent 1524 “Were it not that the Baptist have been grievous tormented (by the Roman catholic Church) and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the reformers”.

Sir Isaac Newton wrote “The Baptist are the only body of known Christian that have not symbolized with the church at Rome. "

So.. you would have to argue that Hosius and Isaac Newton were ill informed or lying.

 

[Indybap]

The earliest Baptist came out of the English Dissenter and Puritan movements and were influenced heavily by those movements. Baptists have more in common with Congregationalists than those above mentioned groups. The earliest antecedent to the Dissenters and Puritans were the Lollards, descendants of the followers of John Wycliffe, a medieval English philosopher, theologian, and political theorist, who lived before the Reformation.

Waldensians survived into the present day. They are part of the worldwide fellowship of Reformed churches.

Baptists do have a lot in common with Congregationalists in the way the do things.. but Congregationalists now have been influenced strongly by Reformed Baptists and also have taken on some strange doctrines. Baptists have generally stayed clear of invading false teaching and managed to keep a pure faith through a very long period of history.

But anyway, have a read of the Battle for Baptist History by I.K. Cross, or My Church by J.M. Moody. They say it better than I could.

 

[9Rock9]

Yes many baptists have taken on Calvinism, which is a bit of a problem. Hardshell and reformed baptists especially have. I'm unsure why they would want to, but I think it must be a historical thing of having roots in the reformation.

Independent Baptists usually don't trace themselves to the reformation and ones like my church reject Calvinism. Churches like mine re-baptise believers from unscriptural churches... Which is an ana-baptist thing.

Well, a lot of early Baptists were Calvinists due to coming out of the Separatist movement, who were similar to Puritans, hence Calvnism

 

[David Lamb]

Well, a lot of early Baptists were Calvinists due to coming out of the Separatist movement, who were similar to Puritans, hence Calvnism

Certainly here in the UK, the early Baptist churches were Calvinistic in doctrine - we see that by looking at their confessions of faith, for example the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.

 

[RileyG]

Certainly here in the UK, the early Baptist churches were Calvinistic in doctrine - we see that by looking at their confessions of faith, for example the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.

That really doesn't surprise me.

 

[RileyG]

from the “Apud Opera” pp> 112, 113 By Cardinal Hosius, President of the Council of Trent 1524 “Were it not that the Baptist have been grievous tormented (by the Roman catholic Church) and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the reformers”.

Sir Isaac Newton wrote “The Baptist are the only body of known Christian that have not symbolized with the church at Rome. "

So.. you would have to argue that Hosius and Isaac Newton were ill informed or lying.

I wonder what he meant by that?

 

[David Lamb]

That really doesn't surprise me.

Perhaps not, but what is somewhat surprising is that the majority of Baptist churches in the UK are not Calvinistic. Those that are tend to call themselves "Grace Baptist" or "Reformed Baptist."