This or That

[grafted branch]

Can you quote my words and explain the lie?

In post #5 you responded to the question of Why didn’t the authors of the gospels use “that” generation instead of “this” generation, if Jesus didn’t mean the generation standing in front of him?

Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming. See This GENERATION will not pass away until all these things take place and follow up there

It appears you think Jesus used the words this generation because He wanted every generation to be ready. Is this correct?

 

[tonychanyt]

In post #5 you responded to the question of Why didn’t the authors of the gospels use “that” generation instead of “this” generation, if Jesus didn’t mean the generation standing in front of him?

It appears you think Jesus used the words this generation because He wanted every generation to be ready. Is this correct?

Can you display and quote my words and explain the lie?

 

[grafted branch]

Can you display and quote my words and explain the lie?

I just did. Your exact words in post #5 were “Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.”

This was in response to the question “Why didn’t the authors of the gospels use “that” generation instead of “this” generation, if Jesus didn’t mean the generation standing in front of him?”

You can go back to post #5 and look at it yourself. If you didn’t mean what others think, then there’s no harm done, you can just give us the reason why the word “this” was used instead of the word “that”.

 

[tonychanyt]

I just did. Your exact words in post #5 were “Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.”

This was in response to the question “Why didn’t the authors of the gospels use “that” generation instead of “this” generation, if Jesus didn’t mean the generation standing in front of him?”

You can go back to post #5 and look at it yourself. If you didn’t mean what others think, then there’s no harm done, you can just give us the reason why the word “this” was used instead of the word “that”.

In your reply can you display and quote my words and explain the lie right in your next reply?

 

[grafted branch]

In your reply can you display and quote my words and explain the lie right in your next reply?

I’m not really sure what else I can say or do. Here is your words from post #5

Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.

I can’t speak for anyone else but if Jesus used the words “ this generation “ in the first century and those things didn’t happen to the generation right in front of Him, that He was speaking to, then Jesus would have told a lie, which we all know is impossible.

 

[tonychanyt]

I’m not really sure what else I can say or do. Here is your words from post #5

I wrote: Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.

Where is the lie? Who lied? Jesus?

 

[grafted branch]

I wrote: Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.

Where is the lie? Who lied? Jesus?

Yes, I think it means Jesus lied. If Jesus said things would happen to this generation when those things actually happened or will happen to another generation then presumably Jesus lied.

If Jesus just said “this generation” to keep everyone on their toes, so they would be ready, then that also would be deceiving.

I think a response to clarify where you stand on all this would be helpful.

 

[parousia70]

Where is the lie? Can you quote my words?

Well, you said "Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming."

Clearly, Jesus KNEW that His coming would NOT happen in "EVERY GENERATION", yet you claim He wanted every generation to believe it would.

Why do you think He wanted every generation to believe something He KNEW was NOT TRUE?

Is there anything else you believe Jesus knew was NOT TRUE but wanted people to believe was true anyway? or is this the only one?

 

[parousia70]

Answer to the question: Jesus wanted all Christians throughout the Church age, to be in a state of readiness for His Return at any time.

OK. We'll count you among the folks who say Jesus wanted Christians from every generation to belive something He KNEW was NOT TRUE.

 

[tonychanyt]

Well, you said "Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming."

Clearly, Jesus KNEW that His coming would NOT happen in "EVERY GENERATION", yet you claim He wanted every generation to believe it would.

Why do you think He wanted every generation to believe something He KNEW was NOT TRUE?

Is there anything else you believe Jesus knew was NOT TRUE but wanted people to believe was true anyway? or is this the only one?

Let proposition P1 = Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.
P2 = Jesus said that his coming would happen in every generation.

P1 = P2?

 

[parousia70]

Let proposition P1 = Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.
P2 = Jesus said that his coming would happen in every generation.

P1 = P2?

Proposition = Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his second coming.

FACT = Jesus KNEW His coming would NOT happen in every generation, but would only happen in ONE generation.

The question you have yet to answer is WHY did Jesus want every generation to BELIEVE something He KNEW was not true?

WHY do you believe Jesus wanted people from multiple generations to "be ready" for an event He KNEW would NOT happen for them?

 

[tonychanyt]

The question you have yet to answer is WHY did Jesus want every generation to BELIEVE something He KNEW was not true?

P1 = Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his possible coming.

P2 = Jesus wanted every generation to believe that he would definitely come.

Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

There is only one second coming of Jesus.

 

[parousia70]

P1 = Jesus wanted every generation to be ready for his possible coming.

P2 = Jesus wanted every generation to believe that he would definitely come.

Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

How was Jesus 2nd comming "possible" 100 years ago or 500 years ago? or 1000? or 1500? or 2000?

Do you think the timing of the 2nd coming is a moving target that changes based on the actions of men or the whim of God?

There is only one second coming of Jesus.

Forordained to take place at ONE point in time only (Acts 17:31), which makes it NOT possible that it is a movable target that could take place at ANY point in History.

Can you tell the difference between Possible and Impossible?

And again, you still haven't answered "WHY"?

WHY do you think Jesus wanted EVERY generation "to be ready" for an event He KNEW would only take place in ONE generation?

WHY??

Ostensibly you believe he wanted it that way for a purpose... so... for WHAT PURPOSE?

 

[tonychanyt]

How was Jesus 2nd comming "possible" 100 years ago or 500 years ago? or 1000? or 1500? or 2000?

Is it possible for Jesus to return tomorrow?

 

[parousia70]

Is it possible for Jesus to return tomorrow?

No. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

...and why won't you answer "WHY" Jesus wanted every generation to be ready??

 

[tonychanyt]

No. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

Thanks for the verse reference. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted text.
2. Selectively bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. No need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole chapter.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it

 

[parousia70]

Thanks for the verse reference. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted text.
2. Selectively bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. No need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole chapter.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it

Well, I'm not a scholar and I’m not here to write a paper. I'm just a regular guy engaging in online discussion and debate.

I have been posting here successfully for 21 years however, and simply citing a chapter and verse that supports a contention seems to work for me and most other regular folks here, and in fact is specifically stated in the forum rules regarding how it should be done.

People can click the scripture link and do their own homework, and ask for any clarification they need. I don't need to do it for you. It’s been my experience that people here are smart enough to figure out the relevant portions to the context of the discussion.

Now, This is how you respond to questions.
Answer them, or explain why you won't or can't. At the very least, address the question. (Most people learn this in grade school) Also, do your best to resist the temptation to respond to a question with a just another question, especially one that doesn’t address your own position. That only comes off to our readers as an attempt at deflection and avoidance.

WHY did Jesus want all generations to be ready for His coming? (This is at least the 6th or 7th time I've asked you this in this thread, yet you continue to ignore the question or perhaps pretend it hasn't been asked, in the hopes I'll stop asking it - Spoiler alert - I won't stop asking it untill you answer)

Also, how was Christ’s coming “possible” 500, 1000, 1500, or 2000 years ago?

(2nd time asking, and yes, I’ll keep asking this one until you answer it too.)

Feel free to cite, quote, indent, bold, underline and/or highlight as much relevant Scripture as you can or need in support of your claim, if you find such to be helpful tools for you in your noble quest to improve your analytical thinking.

 

[keras]

(2nd time asking, and yes, I’ll keep asking this one until you answer it too.)

I, for one, regard your posts to tonyC, as rude provocation and unpleasant hassling.
How can you, or anyone ask someone what God intended in a verse that can be interpreted in two [or more] ways?

However: in the case of Matthew 24:35, the passage of nearly 2000 years does provide the correct answer: It is that Jesus meant a future generation.
Proved by how the Prophecy in Matthew 24:35 of the fig tree budding again, that is; Judah becoming a nation in the holy Land once again, happened 75 years ago - AFTER I was born.
WE ARE THE GENERATION WHO WILL SEE IT ALL. All the Prophesied end time events and the glorious Return of Jesus.

 

[trophy33]

However: in the case of Matthew 24:35, the passage of nearly 2000 years does provide the correct answer: It is that Jesus meant a future generation.
Proved by how the Prophecy in Matthew 24:35 of the fig tree budding again, that is; Judah becoming a nation in the holy Land once again, happened 75 years ago - AFTER I was born.
WE ARE THE GENERATION WHO WILL SEE IT ALL. All the Prophesied end time events and the glorious Return of Jesus.

Jesus said "this generation", not "that generation".

Also, your speculation "the fig tree means Judah becoming a nation" is not in the text, so it cannot be used as an argument.

 

[keras]

Jesus said "this generation", not "that generation".

What 'this' generation; in the first century experienced was death and slavery.
What the last generation; we who are alive now; will see is the resurgence of Judah, evidenced by the Jewish State of Israel.

Also, your speculation "the fig tree means Judah becoming a nation" is not in the text, so it cannot be used as an argument.

You reject actual historical facts?
You don't speculate, you live in your own fantasy world.