Is John Mcarthur guilty of heresy?

[Mark Quayle]

I have yet to meet such a person who worships Mary although I am told by some Protestants that such people exist in great number.

"I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.”

'Those who place their confidence in me will be saved': The message of Our Lady of Akita

Through a statue, Our Lady of Akita relayed a message of repentance and prayer to a Japanese religious sister at prayer.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

 

[concretecamper]

"I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.”

'Those who place their confidence in me will be saved': The message of Our Lady of Akita

Through a statue, Our Lady of Akita relayed a message of repentance and prayer to a Japanese religious sister at prayer.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

Maybe I missed the part where Mary said worship me. But then again, I don't make things up, do you?

 

[chevyontheriver]

"I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.”

'Those who place their confidence in me will be saved': The message of Our Lady of Akita

Through a statue, Our Lady of Akita relayed a message of repentance and prayer to a Japanese religious sister at prayer.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

I think Sister Agnes is still alive. You might ask her if she worships Mary. I’ll bet you real cash she would tell you that would be just wrong.

 

[Dan Perez]

Is that alleged to be a Catholic doctrine?

It must be , as do you all say the MARY is SINLESS and is there a verse that explains it ?

Christ as we know was SINLESS and if Mary blood co-mingled with Christ blood , the HIS blood would be co- mingled with HUMAN BLOOD and then his blood would be CORRUPTED .

Dan p

 

[chevyontheriver]

It must be , as do you all say the MARY is SINLESS and is there a verse that explains it ?

That’s just silly. Adam and Eve were, for a time, sinless. Yet they were not gods. Being sinless does not make one a god. Being God is a much higher standard than mere sinlessness.

But thank you for revealing your thinking on this.

 

[FenderTL5]

..HIS blood would be co- mingled with HUMAN BLOOD and then his blood would be CORRUPTED .

Dan p

Christ took on humanity 100%, as well as being 100% Divine God.
He had human flesh and blood.

The Incarnation, God becoming man..

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

That’s just silly. Adam and Eve were, for a time, sinless. Yet they were not gods. Being sinless does not make one a god. Being God is a much higher standard than mere sinlessness.

But thank you for revealing your thinking on this.

Agreed, @Dan Perez's claim is incorrect - it is a ludicrous claim - thus the conclusions in his post are incorrect.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

"I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.”

'Those who place their confidence in me will be saved': The message of Our Lady of Akita

Through a statue, Our Lady of Akita relayed a message of repentance and prayer to a Japanese religious sister at prayer.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

If only your posts spent less time on Jack Chick canon fodder style sources and more time just replying to what is written by the people with whom you have discussions.

At least the one example I gave is of a person here on CF claiming that the bible is God. You must rely on questionable web sites. It is as if the quotes you provide in your posts are intended to provoke rather than inform.

 

[Mark Quayle]

If only your posts spent less time of Jack Chick canon fodder style sources and more time just replying to what is written by the people with whom you have discussions.

At least the one example I gave is of a person here on CF claiming that the bible is God. You must rely on questionable web sites. It is as if the quotes you provide in your posts are intended to provoke rather than inform.

Sounds to me like a pretty desperate defense. You expect me to take your word for it that someone (actually, you said, "numerous") said that the Bible is God. I give you an actual citation where a form of Mary-worship (or at least worshipful veneration) is demonstrated, and you make it sound like tabloids. Well, ok, let's discredit the source: So, WHY on earth would the tabloids suppose there is Mary-worship going on?

But are you claiming the report is false? No, I don't mean false about the blood and tears, I mean, is it false that people do what the report says they were doing? Are there no other reports verifying the Mary-worship going on in that town?

I would also like to hear your explanation for why Mary-veneration at all. (Like 'Mariology', I wonder if you have an -ology for any other "Saints". I agree she was blessed in the purpose for which she was chosen. I agree she is to be admired for her submission and humility. But, Immaculate Conception of Mary herself? Assumption into Heaven? Perpetual Virginity? Co-Redemptrix? Queen of Heaven? —Really???

Your poo-pooing of what I'm saying about Mary-worship in the face of the facts, reminds me of not just RCC practice (which is worse) but RCC doctrine, straddling the fence between reason-with-Scripture, and reason-via-human-self-determinism. Sort-of this, sort-of that. A little here, a little there.
"so that as they go they will fall backward;
they will be injured and snared and captured."

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm sorry. What is the problem with that? He's making a point. God cannot be born nor die nor be created nor be subject to anything outside of himself. He has no beginning and no end.

God (the Son) was, however, Incarnate--made human--in the womb of Mary. So Mary is His mother, she gave birth to Him. This isn't a "Catholic" thing, this is basic Christian theology.

When some misinformed Protestants say "Mary isn't the mother of God" they are unwittingly promoting a form of Nestorianism.

Let's phrase things differently: Is Mary's child God?

It's the same meaning, the same statement.

Mary's Child is God and Mary gave birth to God are synonymous statements.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

So why do they say, "Mother of God", if they admit she was only the mother of the man Jesus, who was also God? And, by the way, don't pretend that this has not misled a bunch of people into Mary-worship.

Mary gave birth to a Person, not a nature. That Person that was in her womb is the Eternal Logos, God the Son.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

But are you claiming the report is false?

Yes, the claim that you made is false. The OSV page does not treat Blessed Mary as God not as a 4th member of the Godhead.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I would also like to hear your explanation for why Mary-veneration at all.

One venerates great persons and some people venerate great books, ideas, religious ideals and so forth. Veneration is not worshipping the person/thing venerated as God.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I would also like to hear your explanation for why Mary-veneration at all. (Like 'Mariology', I wonder if you have an -ology for any other "Saints".

There is 'Josephology'. Karl Barth actually encouraged Catholics to take that further. For Joseph and Mary and all the other saints the combined term is 'hagiography'.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Yes, the claim that you made is false. The OSV page does not treat Blessed Mary as God not as a 4th member of the Godhead.

The OSV did OK. It's the conclusions of Mark Quayle that took an OK article and twisted something else out of it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Christ took on humanity 100%, as well as being 100% Divine God.
He had human flesh and blood.

The Incarnation, God becoming man..

So He had ... wait for it ... human blood. Wow! Imagine that!

 

[Mark Quayle]

Let's phrase things differently: Is Mary's child God?

It's the same meaning, the same statement.

Mary's Child is God and Mary gave birth to God are synonymous statements.

Synonymous, maybe. The same, no. The man's quote was taken out of context, purposely, distorting what he was trying to say. You very well know he was not trying to say that Jesus was not Mary's son.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Yes, the claim that you made is false. The OSV page does not treat Blessed Mary as God not as a 4th member of the Godhead.

Yet they demonstrated the public worshiping in some sense, just as the Catholic church has exaggerated her position, and, for that matter, that of those who it credits with Sainthood, as if all believers are not saints. More reverence and adoration than is her scriptural due.

That is what happens where the Magisterium is given equal (or higher) authority than the Scriptures.

 

[Mark Quayle]

There is 'Josephology'. Karl Barth actually encouraged Catholics to take that further. For Joseph and Mary and all the other saints the combined term is 'hagiography'.

You've educated me, in spite of myself. I stay away from such things.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Yet they demonstrated the public worshiping in some sense

In the UK, NZ, Australia, Canada a judge is referred to as "your worship"; perhaps USA usage is causing problems with Catholic usage. Worship does not apply to God alone, that is why I earlier included [as God] in one of my posts. In Catholic and Latin usage adoration is what God receives from his people. Let us adore the Lord, we say. Though in the modern English liturgy "worship" is used. Is the issue one of usage for you, do you think that every time a Catholic publication writes of worship it means worship-God?