Is John Mcarthur guilty of heresy?

[David Kent]

Jesus was God from before time. He was The I Am who spoke to moses.

JOHN 8:56-59 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I wouldn't really call it Mary worship but more that Catholics feel you have to go through Mary or the Saints to get in contact with God.

No, I am a Catholic and I do not feel that nor do I know any Catholic who does; what we do is choose to invoke the saints to aid in your prayers, "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death" is what is said in the rosary, it is a request to Mary to intercede for us in prayer. However, Catholics pray to God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in our prayers, even in written prayers, such as the act of contrition or other well published prayers, it is God who is directly addressed,

"O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because of Thy just punishments, but most of all because they offend Thee, my God, Who art all-good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasions of sin."​

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Is there a verse that says that MARY;S blood co-mingled with Jesus BLOOD ?

Is that alleged to be a Catholic doctrine?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

in my experience in Latin America, there are many who worship Mary, Jesus, and many Saints, and even God, or so they think.

In my experience online there are numerous Calvinist protestants who worship the bible and say that the bible is God. What is one to make from that?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I said, "don't pretend", because I have a feeling both you and Chevy are aware it happens.

I am aware that the ignorant, some who are over excited by some notion that they've heard or recently discovered, say and do all sorts of things that are objectively strange; for example calling the bible God - possibly because they think of bibles are something like the incarnation. But what the ill considered remarks and actions of some, who are poorly formed in the faith, imply is that not that the Faith itself is poorly formed but only their their own personal faith is poorly formed.

 

[Dan Perez]

I am aware that the ignorant, some who are over excited by some notion that they've heard or recently discovered, say and do all sorts of things that are objectively strange; for example calling the bible God - possibly because they think of the bible are something like the incarnation. But what the ill considered remarks and actions of some, who are poorly formed in the faith, imply is that not that the Faith itself is poorly formed but only their their own personal faith is poorly formed.

All should consider what Peter wrote in 2 Peter 1:21 , For the prophecy came NOT /OV is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and it means can never came by the will of man , BUT holy men of GOD spake as moved by the HOLY SPIRIT .
So the bible is GOD as he wrote it .

dan p

 

[Mark Quayle]

In my experience online there are numerous Calvinist protestants who worship the bible and say that the bible is God. What is one to make from that?

They are wrong.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

They are wrong.

Obviously, it is odd that you do not extend the same judgement to whatever stray thoughts a catholic with poorly formed faith has, isn't it? But maybe what is sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander in the theological construct you are working to create.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

All should consider what Peter wrote in 2 Peter 1:21 , For the prophecy came NOT /OV is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and it means can never came by the will of man , BUT holy men of GOD spake as moved by the HOLY SPIRIT .
So the bible is GOD as he wrote it .

dan p

You provide an example of what I mentioned. @Mark Quayle , take note.

 

[trophy33]

So the bible is GOD as he wrote it .

Even if it was true that God wrote the Bible (which is quite a controversial statement), it still does not follow that "therefore the Bible is God".

Even though I wrote this post, it does not logically follow that this post is me.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Obviously, it is odd that you do not extend the same judgement to whatever stray thoughts a catholic with poorly formed faith has, isn't it? But maybe what is sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander in the theological construct you are working to create.

Excuse me? I said they are wrong. Same judgement.

 

[Mark Quayle]

You provide an example of what I mentioned. @Mark Quayle , take note.

Dan P is wrong. What's to take note of? You make like I didn't know people think that.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Dan P is wrong. What's to take note of? You make like I didn't know people think that.

And your posts implied that it is de-facto Catholic teaching that Mary is God.
Otherwise why that claim that: Mary worship is a result of the use of the term, "Mother of God"?
And why write "don't pretend."

And why say "I said, "don't pretend", because I have a feeling both you and Chevy are aware it happens. The fact you don't know anyone personally that does so doesn't mean you aren't aware of it. I even hear they call her, "Co-Redemptrix", and it gets explained away as to what that means; then, why the name?"

Your stated feeling is incorrect. The attribution of this alleged knowledge is incorrect. The implication of pretence as a motive is incorrect. The claims in your posts appear to be outside of the norms of good faith discussion.

In these things your posts are unhelpful.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Dan P is wrong. What's to take note of? You make like I didn't know people think that.

I see, so you know that among Calvinists there are people who worship the bible as God; clean up your own house is the advice that comes to mind here. Rather than complain about the alleged existence of some persons in the Catholic Church who you claim are "Mary worshippers" with their alleged erroneous beliefs arising from incorrectly understanding the meaning of the phrase "mother of God" - and using the alleged existence of such as an argument against Catholic teaching - try the correcting those within Calvinism who hold the very blatant error of teaching that the bible is God.

As far as I have observed no Catholic in discussion with you on CH maintains that Blessed Mary is God. And despite the allegation that I am "pretending" that such do not exist, the truth is that I have never encountered any holding such beliefs.

 

[fhansen]

I didn't add that little tidbit you added, "[as God]". I wonder why you did.

Catholics believe that none but God are worthy of worship-so there's no other point to the use of that word.

 

[fhansen]

Matthew 1:24-25 Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Mary needed a saviour.
Mary said.
Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Catholicism teaches that Jesus is Mary's Savior.

 

[fhansen]

The reason that the term Theotokos was used for Mary, a word and concept that experienced usage in the Christian world before it was employed at council, was to nail down and define the nature of Christ, that He is fully God and fully man, inseparably so. Mary, therefore, cannot be other than God-bearer, a role that she was privileged to play. We honor her and her humility and faith as the supreme human model for us to follow, a heroine of the faith more blessed than any other saint.

As humans tend towards excesses at times, there have been cults who've mistakenly taken this veneration to extremes in their ignorance, as I see it.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I see, so you know that among Calvinists there are people who worship the bible as God; clean up your own house is the advice that comes to mind here. Rather than complain about the alleged existence of some persons in the Catholic Church who you claim are "Mary worshippers" with their alleged erroneous beliefs arising from incorrectly understanding the meaning of the phrase "mother of God" - and using the alleged existence of such as an argument against Catholic teaching - try the correcting those within Calvinism who hold the very blatant error of teaching that the bible is God.

As far as I have observed no Catholic in discussion with you on CH maintains that Blessed Mary is God. And despite the allegation that I am "pretending" that such do not exist, the truth is that I have never encountered any holding such beliefs.

Calvinism isn't my house. I am against false belief wherever I find it.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Calvinism isn't my house. I am against false belief wherever I find it.

Given the powers of reason displayed in the posts you've made recently it looks like we shall never see any posts from you containing sound reasons for evaluating which beliefs exist and which are fantasies created for an argument.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Given the powers of reason displayed in the posts you've made recently it looks like we shall never see any posts from you containing sound reasons for evaluating which beliefs exist and which are fantasies created for an argument.

I guess that's better than some. It'll have to do, coming from you.