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[Belk]

What does my view of evolution have to do with what doctors are taught in medical school? What does it have to do with doctors denying basic biology?

EDIT: Never mind. I see you're simply attempting to divert what is being discussed in order to make this personally about me.
As a reminder, we were talking about how a doctor bases their decisions on the science of biology.

No. I'm pointing out the irony of someone who denies the basic science claiming that they can speak for scientists and declare what biology states.

 

[A2SG]

What key do you use for decisions "no, children cannot identify as adults, foreigners as citizens, but men can identify as women"?

What key do I need? These things happen without me making any decisions whatsoever.

And again, why not to simply use "sex", which is similar to "age", "citizenship" etc - being a reality-based fact.

Because some prefer to live their lives according to their identity rather than their genitalia. And, as it's their lives, I don't see a problem.

For example, quotas for women in management - are the quotas for sex or for gender?

I guess the specific companies would make those determinations themselves, and hire accordingly.

I register you, as a culture, got yourself into quite a fight regarding sport categories - is it sex or gender what objectively institutes the reason for those categories?

Depends on the sport, usually. Many specific regulatory bodies, such as NCAA, have specific guidelines for those kind of things. Sometimes, where there's a question, they would have to rule on each case individually.

-- A2SG, they make their own rules, let them enforce them however they see fit......

 

[trophy33]

What key do I need? These things happen without me making any decisions whatsoever.

The key, meaning the rationalization why you do not accept children to self-identify as adults, adults as children, foreigners as citizens etc.

Because some prefer to live their lives according to their identity rather than their genitalia. And, as it's their lives, I don't see a problem.

I think you, as a culture, are already faaaar behind the point "they just live their lives and do not want anything from us".

I guess the specific companies would make those determinations themselves, and hire accordingly.

So its on a company to define what is a woman? What about municipalities and other non-commercial, state-related positions? There are obligatory quotas for women, too.

Depends on the sport, usually. Many specific regulatory bodies, such as NCAA, have specific guidelines for those kind of things. Sometimes, where there's a question, they would have to rule on each case individually.

Lets say boxing or MMA. Are the categories "women, men" there based on sex or gender, in your culture?

 

[trophy33]

Also, if there will be a general mobilization because of a war, will you accept sex or gender category for deciding whom you will (as a country) force to go to fight?

 

[Bradskii]

Ok there was a new story about a lawsuit the other day because doctors removed the breasts of a 13 year old girl. Does that work for you?

I've obviously no idea without some context. Maybe you could supply some.

And yes, since you need me to answer this to make you feel superior. Two genders...with allowances for intersex..and allowances for those who have real gender dysphoria. But still two.

Do you have difficulty in understanding problems that people have with their gender not aligning with their biological sex?

 

[A2SG]

The key, meaning the rationalization why you do not accept children to self-identify as adults, adults as children, foreigners as citizens etc.

I've got nothing to do with it. To buy liquor, a valid ID is needed, not self identification. Adults don't need to be placed in foster care or adopted, no matter how they self-identify....unless, of course, a court determines them to be non compos mentis. And if someone isn't born in the US, they need to follow specific criteria to obtain citizenship. None of these require me to rationalize a thing.

I think you, as a culture, are already faaaar behind the point "they just live their lives and do not want anything from us".

Your opinion is noted.

So its on a company to define what is a woman?

Nope. Companies don't decide that. Companies decide who they hire, based on whatever criteria they wish, according to whatever quotas they decide upon.

What about municipalities and other non-commercial, state-related positions? There are obligatory quotas for women, too.

What about them? Have there been problems meeting those quotas?

Lets say boxing or MMA. Are the categories "women, men" here based on sex or gender, in your culture?

Far as I know, it's based on sex rather than gender. But I'm no expert.

-- A2SG, I'm not on the regulatory body for either sport......

 

[A2SG]

Also, if there will be a general mobilization because of a war, will you accept sex or gender category for deciding whom you will (as a country) force to go to fight?

I think the opposition to a draft would involve a lot more than gender identification, frankly.

-- A2SG, think there might be more pressing issues to consider first.......

 

[trophy33]

I've got nothing to do with it. To buy liquor, a valid ID is needed, not self identification. Adults don't need to be placed in foster care or adopted, no matter how they self-identify....unless, of course, a court determines them to be non compos mentis. And if someone isn't born in the US, they need to follow specific criteria to obtain citizenship. None of these require me to rationalize a thing.

It seems to me you do not understand the logic behind those inconsistencies either, so you rather try not to rationalize it and simply accept it. To delegate it "up".

Nope. Companies don't decide that. Companies decide who they hire, based on whatever criteria they wish, according to whatever quotas they decide upon.

If a company decides (not sure if its not an actual law in some places) that 30% of management must be women, how do they define women - gender or sex based?

What about them? Have there been problems meeting those quotas?

Meeting them? I do not know, my question was rather if your state/gov have some objective guidelines what is a woman, for state job positions, to fill the quotas of women. Or if its simply what the candidate will claim.

 

[trophy33]

I think the opposition to a draft would involve a lot more than gender identification, frankly.

-- A2SG, think there might be more pressing issues to consider first.......

Will the draft be based on sex or gender, though?

 

[Bradskii]

So, they must first introduce the problem into the culture and then offer strange solutions. But its obviously a bit absurd.

So if some Czech person doesn't feel that their gender does not match their biological sex, what terms would you use?

 

[A2SG]

It seems to me you do not understand the logic behind those inconsistencies either, so you rather try not to rationalize it and simply accept it. To delegate it "up".

I understand the logic fine, I don't see any inconsistency at all.

See what happens when you assume you know what I think? Try not to do that.

If a company decides (not sure if its not an actual law in some places) that 30% of management must be women, how do they define women - gender or sex based?

Up to them. If they decide on the quota, it'd be up to them to decide how to implement it.

Meeting them? I do not know, my question was rather if your state/gov have some objective guidelines what is a woman, for state job positions, to fill the quotas of women. Or if its simply what the candidate will claim.

Again, if a state agency decides to adopt a quota, it's up to them to decide how to implement it.

So far as I know, there haven't been significant problems in doing these things, so I'm unclear on what the problem you're worried about is.

-- A2SG, maybe it really isn't much of a problem at all......

 

[A2SG]

Will the draft be based on sex or gender, though?

In the highly unlikely event they pass such a thing, if there's a need to make this distinction, I'm sure they'll make it.

Or not, if there isn't a need for it.

-- A2SG, not really worried about it, frankly.....

 

[Belk]

It seems to me you do not understand the logic behind those inconsistencies either, so you rather try not to rationalize it and simply accept it. To delegate it "up".


If a company decides (not sure if its not an actual law in some places) that 30% of management must be women, how do they define women - gender or sex based?


Meeting them? I do not know, my question was rather if your state/gov have some objective guidelines what is a woman, for state job positions, to fill the quotas of women. Or if its simply what the candidate will claim.

I'm not aware of any state that has a quota for hitting based on sex.

 

[Bradskii]

What key do you use for decisions "no, children cannot identify as adults, foreigners as citizens,

Age and citizenship.

but men can identify as women"?

Yeah. And vice versa. Their biological sex is a physical attribute. Their gender is a mental one, so there's no 'key' except what the person tells you. Just like you have to tell me what your mental states are.

And again, why not to simply use "sex", which is similar to "age", "citizenship" etc - being a reality-based fact.

For example, quotas for women in management - are the quotas for sex or for gender? I register you, as a culture, got yourself into quite a fight regarding sport categories - is it sex or gender what objectively institutes the reason for those categories?

If someone presents as a woman, and nominates themselves as a woman - in a form for example, do you accept what they say or ask for a medical examination?

 

[A2SG]

If someone presents as a woman, and nominates themselves as a woman - in a form for example, do you accept what they say or ask for a medical examination?

Seems to me there are some people on this thread who feel they've the right to inspect someone's genitalia.

Go figure.

-- A2SG, not interested in being a genitalia inspector myself, thank you very much.....

 

[Bradskii]

Lets say boxing or MMA. Are the categories "women, men" there based on sex or gender, in your culture?

The WBC determine it by sex at birth. But...they'll introduce a transgender division.

WBC Announces Plan for Transgender Boxing Division in 2023

The World Boxing Council is planning to launch a new transgender division in 2023. "We are creating a set of rules and structures so that transgender boxing...

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Is that OK with you?

 

[Bradskii]

Also, if there will be a general mobilization because of a war, will you accept sex or gender category for deciding whom you will (as a country) force to go to fight?

I wouldn't differentiate. If one person can do a particular job better than another, then they get picked for that job.

 

[Bradskii]

If a company decides (not sure if its not an actual law in some places) that 30% of management must be women, how do they define women - gender or sex based?

If a person nominates as a woman, would you expect a medical examination to make sure she fitted with your definition? Because you would have to do it for every person. Sounds stupid, doesn't it...

 

[KCfromNC]

When the woke adults put ideas into the head of these kids to believe they were "born into the wrong body"

When that actually happens we can talk about it.

Is there some reason these far-right talking points can't stick to reality?

 

[KCfromNC]

Will the draft be based on sex or gender, though?

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Can anyone explain how a hypothetical decision based on a fantasized response to a made up situation has any bearing back here in the real world?