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Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

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He is talking about actual events in real history
No, he is really talking about Adam from Genesis. He is not claiming that it must be what biologically happen. But maybe he believed that. He did not say that, though.

So if he was believing it literally or as an imagery, we cannot know.
 
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no - it means that planet earth was rotating at roughly the same speed it does today and God had a light source for it -- on one side of that rotating sphere -- that was not the Sun.
Didn't the first 7th Day start at sunset? Or at the beginning of evening?
 
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Paul is talking about Scriptures, not about science.
So you are saying Paul through the Spirit of God is lying and thereby the Word, the Bible. Where does the lies stop? And why are you here if you don't believe? Or is it you pick and choose according to your own reasoning?

Science? What science?
 
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No, he is really talking about Adam from Genesis. He is not claiming that it must be what biologically happen. But maybe he believed that. He did not say that, though.

So if he was believing it literally or as an imagery, we cannot know.
First man is first man.


1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
 
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So you are saying Paul through the Spirit of God is lying and thereby the Word, the Bible. Where does the lies stop? And why are you here if you don't believe? Or is it you pick and choose according to your own reasoning?

Science? What science?
No, I am saying that Paul used Genesis to prove his point/teaching which was about marriage.

He did not teach science (how our biological bodies literally came to be). That would not be useful for a cultural marriage model.

For culture, we must have cultural models and stories, not biological/scientific (we cannot use nature for our laws and rules in a society).

Consider for example legends regarding the beginnings of almost all nations, Rome being the most known one (Romulus and Remus). You are quite a recent country, so you probably do not have such things, but with older countries, its almost a rule to have such stories. My country has them too, so I do not have any problem reading Genesis metaphorically.
 
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First man is first man.


1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
First man according to Jewish culture/writings. Both Adam and Eve are Hebrew names. And Cain found some woman elsewhere in a foreign country. The location of Eden was described relative to location of other already existing countries.

As all ancient nations, Jews had their mythological stories how they came to be as a nation. Do not read it scientifically, read it as a cultural reference.

I am pretty sure you will say something like "but it is inspired, all Scripture is for instructions" etc. Sure, its inspired theologically. God will not dictate us scientific knowledge or history books. Inspired writers are still humans, with their specific mindset, cultural vocabulary and ideas.
 
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First man according to Jewish culture/writings. Both Adam and Eve are Hebrew names. And Cain found some woman elsewhere in a foreign country. The location of Eden was described relative to location of other already existing countries.

As all ancient nations, Jews had their mythological stories how they came to be as a nation. Do not read it scientifically, read it as a cultural reference.

I am pretty sure you will say something like "but it is inspired, all Scripture is for instructions" etc. Sure, its inspired theologically. God will not dictate us scientific knowledge or history books. Inspired writers are still humans, with their specific mindset, cultural vocabulary and ideas.
So the fall of man and the garden of Eden is not true so we do not need Christ? The first prophesy concerning the Messiah in Gen 3 isn't true either? The rest of the prophecies in the Pentateuch concerning Christ are not true they are metaphors? Abraham is not the Father of Faith and never took Isaac up to sacrifice him? Enoch wasn't translated Paul LIED ABOUT that and the world being being framed by the word of God also? Noah never existed, So the story of the flood and Cain which Jesus spoke of never happened, so JESUS LIED TOO? The exodus miricles never happened? It is all a Metaphore. Or is it we get to pick and choose what is we think is true and it doesn't matter whether we are right or wrong because it is not about faith and truth it is about feelings and conjecture?

You keep mentioning Science. What science?
 
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No, I am saying that Paul used Genesis to prove his point/teaching which was about marriage.
No he said, the first man Adam in respect to him being a living soul: in contrast to Christ, the last Adam being a quickening Spirit. And He said this through God's Spirit which makes God a liar too according to your basing everything as a metaphor.


1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
 
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No he said, the first man Adam in respect to him being a living soul: in contrast to Christ, the last Adam being a quickening Spirit. And He said this through God's Spirit which makes God a liar too according to your basing everything as a metaphor.


1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Yes, Adam according to Genesis. Not according to science, biology or literal history.
 
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So the fall of man and the garden of Eden is not true so we do not need Christ? The first prophesy concerning the Messiah in Gen 3 isn't true either? The rest of the prophecies in the Pentateuch concerning Christ are not true they are metaphors? Abraham is not the Father of Faith and never took Isaac up to sacrifice him? Enoch wasn't translated Paul LIED ABOUT that and the world being being framed by the word of God also? Noah never existed, So the story of the flood and Cain which Jesus spoke of never happened, so JESUS LIED TOO? The exodus miricles never happened? It is all a Metaphore. Or is it we get to pick and choose what is we think is true and it doesn't matter whether we are right or wrong because it is not about faith and truth it is about feelings and conjecture?

You keep mentioning Science. What science?
I am afraid that your concept of "true" is built around "literal". Something can be true and be metaphorical, representation of some ideal or of us all etc.

They were using their cultural mindset. If we were inspired today, we could use our cultural mindset, for example Superman fighting with Batman. It would not be literal, but it could be true in the representative concepts. They, in their culture, used dragons, serpents, waters, dust, trees, gardens etc.

I do not understand your question "what science".
 
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I am afraid that your concept of "true" is built around "literal". Something can be true and be metaphorical, representation of some ideal or of us all etc.

They were using their cultural mindset. If we were inspired today, we could use our cultural mindset, for example Superman fighting with Batman. It would not be literal, but it could be true in the representative concepts. They, in their culture, used dragons, serpents, waters, dust, trees, gardens etc.
I am afraid your concept of the Bible being metaphoric poses many issues. Because what is metaphoric to one may not be to another. This leaves the Bible's interpretation subject to one's own reasoning and truth rather the Spirit's.

I do not understand your question "what science".

What science proves the Bible is metaphoric?
 
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I am afraid your concept of the Bible being metaphoric poses many issues. Because what is metaphoric to one may not be to another. This leaves the Bible's interpretation subject to one's own reasoning and truth rather the Spirit's.



What science proves the Bible is metaphoric?
Thats not how it works, its not black and white.

We act upon truths we are collecting through our life and we make our best conclusions based upon them. Its about flexibility and growth, not about dogmatic freeze.

If some newly discovered facts do not fit with literal reading of some text, than we can take the useful idea from the text without the literal reading.

"What science proves the Bible is metaphoric?"
Again, black and white question. Bible is a library of 1000 pages, some texts are metaphoric, some are even obviously poetry, some are historical, some are mixed...

Its not a binary choice - "either the whole Bible is literal or the whole Bible is metaphoric".
 
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Something can be true and be metaphorical, representation of some ideal or of us all etc.
I think that's an important concept in the scriptures.

The Earth doesn't have foundations. It is held in place, so to speak, by gravity. But metaphorically, it does have foundations, Yes.
 
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I am afraid your concept of the Bible being metaphoric poses many issues. Because what is metaphoric to one may not be to another. This leaves the Bible's interpretation subject to one's own reasoning and truth rather the Spirit's.



What science proves the Bible is metaphoric?
But surely you agree that the Bible contains metaphors?

Just as an example,
 
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But surely you agree that the Bible contains metaphors?

Just as an example,
That ain’t what they are saying And You ain’t helping. You are feeding their lie that the Genesis creation account is false and Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman.
 
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That ain’t what they are saying And You ain’t helping.
Who are They?
You are feeding their lie that the Genesis creation account is false and Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman.
Well, there's a big difference between metaphorical and false. I do believe Adam and Eve were literal individuals who sinned.

Closer to the thread topic, where do you believe the sun was setting when that first 7th day started?

Where is the earliest place on Earth that the 7th Day starts for us today?
 
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Who are They?

Satan and his cohorts
Well, there's a big difference between metaphorical and false. I do believe Adam and Eve were literal individuals who sinned.

That is great
Closer to the thread topic, where do you believe the sun was setting when that first 7th day started?
On the horizon
Where is the earliest place on Earth that the 7th Day starts for us today?
Longitude 0, the prime meridian.
 
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But surely you agree that the Bible contains metaphors?

Just as an example,

That ain’t what they are saying And You ain’t helping.

Who are They?

Satan and his cohorts
Then it's good that those beings disagree with some things that I say. But of course, we agree on some things: for example, that there is one God.
 
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Satan and his cohorts


That is great

On the horizon
Adam and Eve saw the beginning of the first 7th day from their horizon?
Longitude 0, the prime meridian.
Okay... Most people use the international date line, but that's cool. Like the people who live in Australia celebrate a Sabbath / 7th Day that starts a good 14 hours before the one celebrated in the USA.

Do the scriptures talk about the 7th day starting at the prime meridian?
 
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