Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[Freth]

Man.

Strong's G444 anthrōpos

1. a human being, whether male or female
   1. generically, to include all human individuals
   2. to distinguish man from beings of a different order
      1. of animals and plants
      2. of from God and Christ
      3. of the angels
   3. with the added notion of weakness, by which man is led into a mistake or prompted to sin
   4. with the adjunct notion of contempt or disdainful pity
   5. with reference to two fold nature of man, body and soul
   6. with reference to the two fold nature of man, the corrupt and the truly Christian man, conformed to the nature of God
   7. with reference to sex, a male
2. indefinitely, someone, a man, one
3. in the plural, people
4. joined with other words, merchantman

Nowhere do we find that "man" means Jew specifically, but all of what is considered to be human or mankind.

 

[trophy33]

Man.

Strong's G444 anthrōpos

1. a human being, whether male or female
   1. generically, to include all human individuals
   2. to distinguish man from beings of a different order
      1. of animals and plants
      2. of from God and Christ
      3. of the angels
   3. with the added notion of weakness, by which man is led into a mistake or prompted to sin
   4. with the adjunct notion of contempt or disdainful pity
   5. with reference to two fold nature of man, body and soul
   6. with reference to the two fold nature of man, the corrupt and the truly Christian man, conformed to the nature of God
   7. with reference to sex, a male
2. indefinitely, someone, a man, one
3. in the plural, people
4. joined with other words, merchantman

Nowhere do we find that "man" means Jew specifically, but all of what is considered to be human or mankind.

I doubt Jesus used the Greek term. Anyway, its always about the context, not about one word in a lexicon. It also makes a difference if the word is with the definite article or not.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27

Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

One of the most abused texts of the Bible by the Seventh day Adventists.

until you read it

1. Its a very keyhole view of the text. The story is in three gospels (Mt, Mk, Lk) and only Mk has this sentence in it. The question "is the Sabbath given to Jews only or to all mankind" was not the context at all,

And Yet Christ pulls that fact INTO it explicitly. Much to the displeasure of some who read Mark 2:27

but you focus only on this sentence, forcing your view into it.

Not so - the statement itself is clear and obvious to all such that the mere quote of it is often sufficient cause to give rise to strong objection to Christ's statement at that point.

2. No English translation uses the word "mankind" here.

Sadly Mark 2:27 cannot be turned into the idea "The Sabbath was just made for Adam not for Eve, not for mankind" and we all know it. This is irrefutable.

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27

Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

 

[BobRyan]

I doubt Jesus used the Greek term.

The glaringly obvious detail in that post you responded to is that the term as written by the Bible writer - to the first century readers across the Roman Empire - was a reference for mankind just as is used in Matt 4 "mankind shall not live by bread alone" -- not at all saying "Adam shall not live by bread alone, but Eve must only live by bread". Nor is it saying "only true for men, all women must live by bread alone"

IN other words the "mankind" rendering is in fact the most accurate for the context in both Mark 2 and Matt 4 and the gospel writer "was not making a mistake"

 

[trophy33]

@BobRyan you are trying to force your keyhole view of the Bible (Adventism) to the text and thats understandable. But the context of the text is not about mankind, its just your personal idea that this sentence is the main point of the story. The sentence is even totally absent from Matthew and Luke versions.

If we simply read the text as it is and try to understand the message, your explanation is invalid and is put there because of your theological bias.

 

[Leaf473]

Suppose Jesus had said Humans were made for the Sabbath. What would that mean as far as observing the seventh day?

 

[BobRyan]

@BobRyan you are trying to force your keyhole view of the Bible

I am quoting Bible texts that you find "inconvenient" and so never quote and never affirm.

your keyhole view of the Bible (Adventism)

You write as if the Bible was written by Adventists and so your opposition to these texts is then somehow justified. How "odd".

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27
Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth
Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath" There was gospel preaching to both gentiles and Jews
Is 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping

 

[BobRyan]

Suppose Jesus had said Humans were made for the Sabbath.

We could enter such imaginary worlds depending on how off the topic we needed to go.

Out of curiosity do you know the context and point of Mark 2 where we find Sabbath 'made for mankind' as being key to "not condemning the innocent" group of Jewish Sabbath keepers known as Christ's disciples in Mark 2???

 

[Leaf473]

We could enter such imaginary worlds depending on how off the topic we needed to go.

I think it's on topic. If the weekly Sabbath was made for humans, the implication is that it is subordinate to humans.

Out of curiosity do you know the context and point of Mark 2 where we find Sabbath 'made for mankind' as being key to "not condemning the innocent" group of Jewish Sabbath keepers known as Christ's disciples in Mark 2???

Definitely! It has to do with authority.

Bible Gateway passage: Mark 2:10 - New American Standard Bible

But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—He *said to the paralyzed man,

www.biblegateway.com

Authority to forgive sins is passed on to Jesus's disciples, authority over the Sabbath is passed on to his disciples.

Bible Gateway passage: John 20:23 - New American Standard Bible

If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

www.biblegateway.com

 

[trophy33]

I am quoting Bible texts that you find "inconvenient" and so never quote and never affirm.


You write as if the Bible was written by Adventists and so your opposition to these texts is then somehow justified. How "odd".

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27
Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth
Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath" There was gospel preaching to both gentiles and Jews
Is 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping

1. Are you able to tell us in summary what the whole story you quote one sentence from is about? What is its point?
2. Explain why there is the definite article, there
3. Explain of what Aramaic term the Greek anthropos is a translation of and what Jesus had in mind
4. Explain why, if its so important for you, neither Luke nor Matthew have this sentence in their version of the story - at all.
5. Give us a biblical example from the New Testament where the same word is translated as mankind, meaning also Gentiles
6. Explain why no translation uses mankind here in Mk 2:27, but you ignore it and use the word "mankind" anyway, if not for your SDA bias

Regarding the question #6, you can check translations here: Mark 2:27 Parallel: And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

 

[BobRyan]

@BobRyan you are trying to force your keyhole view of the Bible

I am quoting Bible texts that you find "inconvenient" and so never quote and never affirm.

your keyhole view of the Bible (Adventism)

You write as if the Bible was written by Adventists and so your opposition to these texts is then somehow justified. How "odd".

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27
Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth
Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath" There was gospel preaching to both gentiles and Jews
Is 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping

1. Are you able to tell us in summary what the whole story you quote one sentence from is about? What is its point?

God is creator of both Sabbath and mankind in Gen 2:1-3 and HE made the Sabbath FOR mankind - at the making of BOTH. Therefore it is a blessing to mankind to have rest and worship on God's Sabbath rather than "yet another work project for mankind" or a new way to accuse mankind for any made-up-rule that Jews might wish to add to God's Sabbath.

If God is the maker then it is HE and not Jewish traditions , and added-burdens that decides what is or is not in line with the Bible Sabbath.

Regarding the fact that mankind is the one that God made the Sabbath for and not "just one individual in Genesis" -- all Christian scholars already agree with that point.

Regarding the fact that mankind is the one that does not live by bread alone in Matt 4 -- and not just "one man in the garden of Eden" -- all Christian scholars who accept Biblical creation already agree with that point.

 

[trophy33]

I am quoting Bible texts that you find "inconvenient" and so never quote and never affirm.


You write as if the Bible was written by Adventists and so your opposition to these texts is then somehow justified. How "odd".

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27
Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth
Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath" There was gospel preaching to both gentiles and Jews
Is 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping

God is creator of both Sabbath and mankind in Gen 2:1-3 and HE made the Sabbath FOR mankind - at the making of BOTH. Therefore it is a blessing to mankind to have rest and worship on God's Sabbath rather than "yet another work project for mankind" or a new way to accuse mankind for any made-up-rule that Jews might wish to add to God's Sabbath.

If God is the maker then it is HE and not Jewish traditions , and added-burdens that decides what is or is not in line with the Bible Sabbath.

Regarding the fact that mankind is the one that God made the Sabbath for and not "just one individual in Genesis" -- all Christian scholars already agree with that point.

Regarding the fact that mankind is the one that does not live by bread alone in Matt 4 -- and not just "one man in the garden of Eden" -- all Christian scholars who accept Biblical creation already agree with that point.

You do realize that Genesis is a Jewish book, right? And that Adam is a Hebrew word, right?

Jews already kept Sabbath and then wrote Genesis, in which they incorporated their theology/mythology (creation of Adam, God resting, clean/unclean animals during flood etc).

Genesis is not a book written in the beginnings of time as a scientific record for humanity.

Oh, wait, SDA teaches Young Earth Creationism and literal reading of Genesis! And the circle is complete.

 

[BobRyan]

You do realize that Genesis is a Jewish book, right?

So also Matthew, John, all the writing of Paul, Peter's books etc.

And that Adam is a Hebrew word

No doubt. But Hebrew is a "high context language" unlike "English" which tends to be more precise having fewer additional context-altered meanings for the same word - as compared to Hebrew.

Jews already kept Sabbath and then wrote Genesis, in which they incorporated their theology/mythology

More Bible - less making stuff up.

2 Peter 1:21
21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

2 Tim 3:15
15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

So then in Heb 3 when the OT book of Psalms is quoted -- it is quoted this way --
Heb 3:7-8

7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:​

“Today, if you will hear His voice,​

8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,​

In the day of trial in the wilderness,​

not "ancient pre-scientific man trying to make up the best things he could imagine said..."

(creation of Adam, God resting, clean/unclean animals during flood etc).
Genesis is not a book written in the beginnings of time as a scientific record for humanity.

It is written as a historic account - not a science text on how to resurrect the dead, incarnate the Son of God , make all life on Earth.

Gen 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

Your idea seems to be that history cannot be trusted unless it is also a science text telling us how to repeat whatever someone did in the past. A sort of "Do it in the lab first then believe it happened in history as stated".

Oh, wait, SDA teaches Young Earth Creationism

Oh wait - you think that "logic" is for SDAs only??

 

[trophy33]

Your idea seems to be that history cannot be trusted unless it is also a science text telling us how to repeat whatever someone did in the past. A sort of "Do it in the lab first then believe it happened in history as stated".

Do you really think that things like Eve being literally from the side of Adam or Adam being formed from literal dust is history?

Genesis is a Jewish writing, written after they were already a Jewish nation. Of course they reflected their religion and mythology into it, like Sabbath or clean animals.

 

[HIM]

BobRyan said:

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27

Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

until you read it

And Yet Christ pulls that fact INTO it explicitly. Much to the displeasure of some who read Mark 2:27

Not so - the statement itself is clear and obvious to all such that the mere quote of it is often sufficient cause to give rise to strong objection to Christ's statement at that point.

Sadly Mark 2:27 cannot be turned into the idea "The Sabbath was just made for Adam not for Eve, not for mankind" and we all know it. This is irrefutable.

"Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27

Matt 4 "MANKIND shall not live by bread alone - but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

BobRyan and Mysta33 Here are some of the other verses that use the exact same grammar with the definite article the. They definitely show mankind is being reference.

Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Matt 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


And here is one from the LXX. There are more but it is extremely stupid argument that is being presented and quit honestly I think it should be ignored for the most part.
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Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

[HIM]

Do you really think that things like Eve being literally from the side of Adam or Adam being formed from literal dust is history?

Genesis is a Jewish writing, written after they were already a Jewish nation. Of course they reflected their religion and mythology into it, like Sabbath or clean animals.

Paul did not think, he knew and he was filled with the Spirit.

1Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 

[Leaf473]

Myself, I'm fine with the 7 Days in Genesis being literal 24-hour days. But that means that when that first 7th Day was starting, the sun was setting in a particular place.

 

[BobRyan]

Myself, I'm fine with the 7 Days in Genesis being literal 24-hour days. But that means that when that first 7th Day was starting, the sun was setting in a particular place.

no - it means that planet earth was rotating at roughly the same speed it does today and God had a light source for it -- on one side of that rotating sphere -- that was not the Sun.

 

[trophy33]

Paul did not think, he knew and he was filled with the Spirit.

1Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Paul is talking about Scriptures, not about science.

 

[BobRyan]

HIM said:
Paul did not think, he knew and he was filled with the Spirit.

1Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Paul is talking about Scriptures, not about science.

He is talking about actual events in real history just like the statements made about the virgin birth , bodily resurrection of Christ etc.

They are not "Science texts on how to accomplish the virgin birth - incarnation of God the Son into human form" nor are they "Science texts on how to bodily raise one's self from the dead".

I think we all knew that all along.

Same is true for other historic events recorded in the Bible - such as the 7 day creation week of Gen 1-2 and Ex 20:11.

Not really that surprising.