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I think the time a person lives in really determines the advantages or disadvantages of marriage. God told Jeremiah not to marry because the destruction of Judah would be so terrible that it would be better for him to not have a family. When Paul wrote his epistles the early church was facing persecution on many fronts and the whole focus of the apostles was to establish the church. That required intense focus and dedication. Not necessarily an ideal time to raise a family. Overall though, the Bible does extol the blessings of marriage. Having a spouse does not prevent a person from serving God. In fact a Godly spouse might actually help and be a teammate. I think the issue is that many people prioritize marriage in life and make it their whole goal and purpose of life. They also often compromise and pick spouses who are not spiritually minded who distract them from spiritual pursuits. That is really the issue. I think the Bible presents a very balanced view of marriage and singleness and it is a mistake to value one state of life more than the other..
 
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it is a mistake to value one state of life more than the other..
1000 percent this! It is a HUGE mistake to value one more than the other.
the issue for me is desire. I understand life isn't necessarily going to be better than being single, but I just have this massive desire to find someone, and always have.
 
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I'd be careful of the phrase 'Paul's opinions.'

Singleness does have its advantages over marriage, & Paul is giving a warning you lose those advantages when married. It's a technicality, but I'd call it more advice than an opinion, if that makes sense.
The phrases used (depending on which translation you read, of course) include:
"I say this as a concession, not as a command" (to concede means to surrender or yield)
"I wish"
"I think"
"In my judgment"

I'm not going to get into a theological debate. This is my conclusion and it stands as it is. It's simply offered for whatever value it may hold for others.
 
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The phrases used (depending on which translation you read, of course) include:
"I say this as a concession, not as a command" (to concede means to surrender or yield)
"I wish"
"I think"
"In my judgment"

I'm not going to get into a theological debate. This is my conclusion and it stands as it is. It's simply offered for whatever value it may hold for others.
Understood. Wasn't really looking for a debate. :)
 
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Aaaaaaughhh. It’s an oxymoron. How do you be content single but still want to date & get married!!?!?!?!??!

It’s a 3-sided square! Or organized chaos!
It's not about being content that you're single, it's about being content while you're single. If you're completely unhappy about your life, getting married is not the answer as you'd be taking that unhappiness into the marriage.

Being content doesn't mean that you can't desire or strive for other things. It just means that you're in a good place in your life, and therefore it there's something you want, like marriage, then you'll be approaching it from the viewpoint that it's something that will enhance your life rather than being something that's going to solve your problems.
 
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Aaaaaaughhh. It’s an oxymoron. How do you be content single but still want to date & get married!!?!?!?!??!

It’s a 3-sided square! Or organized chaos!
You formulate it in a wrong way. If you still "want to date and get married", then of course, you are not content with being single.

Being content with singleness means you do not want to date and get married. You are not against it, if you will find a compatible woman, but you do not want, it does not ring in your head every morning etc.

"Not wanting" here means "you do not need it". The desire becomes so insignificant that you can live your life without it, happily. Like you do not need/want a car if you live in a city with great public transport and everything you need is near.
 
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What does surrender mean? Especially for a man. How can a man surrender it
to God when the man does the initiating? If the man has somethings to work on
& fix, he can't really surrender, he has to keep fighting. That's what I don't understand
 
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What does surrender mean? Especially for a man. How can a man surrender it
to God when the man does the initiating? If the man has somethings to work on
& fix, he can't really surrender, he has to keep fighting. That's what I don't understand
It means checking your motives constantly. Acknowledging your wants and desires and immediately saying to God "Guide me, protect me, lead me, give me wisdom to discern Your will for me". It means not chasing after "a woman", any woman, every woman who seems remotely attractive or potentially interesting, out of sheer loneliness or desperation for companionship. It means befriending women in appropriate ways and settings, with no ulterior motives, to allow for natural connections and relationships to form, and from there, waiting patiently to see what may blossom or not blossom. And not being bitter and falling apart with disappointment if you end up not getting what you hoped for. It means that no matter how earnestly you yearn and long for a companion, if you DON'T get one, you're still okay, on your feet, not bitter and jaded and cynical, not having emotional breakdowns, not crying that all is a loss and a waste. "The man does the initiating" doesn't mean you walk up to every cute girl and ask her out because you just can't bear being a man without a woman on his arm. It means you live your life, meeting people in ordinary ways, and one day you meet one of the female persuasion, and you slowly get to know her, without obsessively waiting for the moment to try and date her, but simply enjoying the process of getting acquainted with who she is as a human being. You may gain interest in her, you may lose interest. If your interest grows, pray about it. Listen to your spirit, not your emotions, and not your hormones. If you feel at ease to ask her out, THEN you "initiate" and ask her out. So, the surrender happens wayyyyy before you get to the "initiating" phase, and it lasts all the way through. It should be a state that you're consistently in. It doesn't mean you lay on the ground and never DO anything for the rest of your life. We don't fret and wring our hands and pull at our hair when it comes to "surrendering" to God in our other relationships, our jobs, our hobbies. Yet when it comes to men approaching women, it's sometimes like there's this total breakdown of reason and sense, and they act like they have no idea how to think or behave, lol. You know how to pray and listen to God and "surrender" for other big life decisions... this isn't that different!
 
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It means checking your motives constantly. Acknowledging your wants and desires and immediately saying to God "Guide me, protect me, lead me, give me wisdom to discern Your will for me".
Okay, I need to work on that.
It means not chasing after "a woman", any woman, every woman who seems remotely attractive or potentially interesting, out of sheer loneliness or desperation for companionship.
I don't.

It means befriending women in appropriate ways and settings, with no ulterior motives, to allow for natural connections and relationships to form, and from there, waiting patiently to see what may blossom or not blossom.
That's what I try, yes. I expect it to happen naturally. That's why it's frustrating. It's not happening naturally.
And not being bitter and falling apart with disappointment if you end up not getting what you hoped for. It means that no matter how earnestly you yearn and long for a companion, if you DON'T get one, you're still okay, on your feet, not bitter and jaded and cynical, not having emotional breakdowns, not crying that all is a loss and a waste.
People are allowed a bad day or a short funk. But yes, got to erase any bitterness,
jadedness, cyncism, etc. that still dwells Not easy! A sign I'll never be able to date & get married :(

"The man does the initiating" doesn't mean you walk up to every cute girl and ask her out because you just can't bear being a man without a woman on his arm. It means you live your life, meeting people in ordinary ways, and one day you meet one of the female persuasion, and you slowly get to know her, without obsessively waiting for the moment to try and date her, but simply enjoying the process of getting acquainted with who she is as a human being.
Yes! That is what I'm trying & waiting & want to happen! I do not try to force it, believe me. Makes 100% perfect chance it happens that way, at least for a marriage! I want to develop a friendship over
time first! I always pictured it like that, b/c you're building something non-existant at first.

ou may gain interest in her, you may lose interest. If your interest grows, pray about it. Listen to your spirit, not your emotions, and not your hormones. If you feel at ease to ask her out, THEN you "initiate" and ask her out. So, the surrender happens wayyyyy before you get to the "initiating" phase, and it lasts all the way through. It should be a state that you're consistently in.
ou may gain interest in her, you may lose interest. If your interest grows, pray about it. Listen to your spirit, not your emotions, and not your hormones. If you feel at ease to ask her out, THEN you "initiate" and ask her out. So, the surrender happens wayyyyy before you get to the "initiating" phase, and it lasts all the way through. It should be a state that you're consistently in.
What shall we call the phase before the initiating phase?
That phase needs a name b/c we're supposed to be surrendering even before that.

It doesn't mean you lay on the ground and never DO anything for the rest of your life. We don't fret and wring our hands and pull at our hair when it comes to "surrendering" to God in our other relationships, our jobs, our hobbies. Yet when it comes to men approaching women, it's sometimes like there's this total breakdown of reason and sense, and they act like they have no idea how to think or behave, lol. You know how to pray and listen to God and "surrender" for other big life decisions... this isn't that different!
Good perspective. Other issues I KNEW were going to work out. So it was easy to have confidence. This one's a total unknown!!! I don't know!!!

Also, I like the perspective of keeping emotions in check long before the relationship or
initiating even starts. This way you don't get too attached if it doesn't work out. A
book I was reading explained that.
 
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Well then you shall have confidence it is only for a season, maybe a little while longer. Why would you be depressed about what God has promised you? He's given it to you & it's a done deal. Good things take time.

Waiting is something I struggle with.
 
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What shall we call the phase before the initiating phase?
That phase needs a name b/c we're supposed to be surrendering even before that.
Expectant Contentment? Come up with any name you like, lol. I try to live in a spiritual space where I never lose hope, but I do not grasp for things that aren't coming to me. I am a very hard worker, I have ambition, and I pursue my goals. I don't wait for life to fall into my lap. But *relationships* are unique, in that I cannot work any amount to MAKE one happen. I can improve my chances of making myself a good friend and potential romantic partner by working on myself as a whole person, but I'm never going to "arrive". I'm never going to be perfect. Neither is anyone else. There's no imaginary reality where people are "perfect 10's" and they walk around matching up with other perfect people. It doesn't happen and it never will. People connect with those they find things in common with, those they admire, respect, and trust.

People are attracted to different traits in friends and lovers, so don't try to be some Ideal Male, but try to become the best version of YOU that you can be. There are some traits in women that I know some men desire, or even demand in a partner, but they are not traits that I possess, or traits that I'm interested in having. So I don't force them on myself. The right people - friends or lovers, people that God wants in my life, people that I'm MEANT to connect with - will like me as I am *when I am being my authentic, best self*. Not when I'm trying to be someone I'm not.
 
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