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[DragonFox91]

You said something I do not understand the concept of marriage, relationships and some other things, this is what I reacted to.

That's what I'm glad you have that attitude was in regards to

You can have any dream you want, but if you are publicly repeating you are unhappy, we can respond to that with our views. Thats the reason you make your problems public, I guess. To get other people insight.

No, sometimes you just need someone to listen, although I understand when you say you see value in the giving & rec'ing of insight.

 

[trophy33]

A dream should motivate us, not to burden us.

If it burdens us, then its not a dream, its a self-imposed requirement.

 

[LoveDivine]

This is the most homo thread ever. Whenever a group of guys get together to share how repulsed they are by women, and how much better men look at their age, you know they aren't heterosexual haha. The gay vibes are strong in this thread

 

[High Fidelity]

Well, you try to generalize that to "a" woman. Generally, women age very quickly, visibly faster than men, but I would not put any specific number to that or say "all". "Old, useless and repulsive" are your words, I said "dodged a bullet".

The context you took my quote from was about the risk - we do not know if a good woman in 20 will be still good in 30. And considering current life style and diet, this risk is very high and can be seen by almost anybody who knows enough of women for a longer period of time.

Honestly, wow. Your comments in this thread are extremely unsettling.

Physical attraction plays a part in suitability, but with as much respect and temperance as I can muster, your attitude is absolutely atrocious.

Looks will fade over time, regardless of how attractive a person is at any point in time. How someone will look in 10 years is irrelevant, because the same argument is undone by how they’ll look in 11. Where does it end? Either way you’ll both be old and you’d better hope that when you’re both sat in skin scarred by age that they’re someone that can hold a conversation, be spiritually encouraging, active and uplifting, and generally just a nice person.

I can also say for certain as someone that is the only man in my workplace of women ranging from 26-70 that your perception of age and its association with, or determination of beauty is just wrong. Some people age better than others, and that’s certainly not restricted to either gender. If anything, women tend to take better care of themselves and age more gracefully than men as a result.

I honestly don’t know what else I can say without speaking contrary to God’s expectations of our conduct.

Respectfully, you should discuss these talking points with your Pastor and ask them if you’re viewing things through a worldly lens or a Biblical and Christ-like lens. I think the rest of us know that answer, but hopefully coming from the authority of someone responsible for his flock it will help you see things differently.

 

[MehGuy]

Sure, they age quickly regarding skin and facial features, also regarding fertility and other biological things.

But thats something they cannot influence too much, so its not their guilt, its just something we and they must take into consideration (is it really better for them to wait till 30's or even 40's and then try to settle down? Many of them are surprised they somehow became invisible to men, not like in their 20's)

A totally different issue is the epidemic of obesity, frequent and silly tattoos, drinking, partying, smoking, promiscuity. This is their responsibility and its very rapidly taking its toll on their looks. And its a really significant difference to see a woman that took care about herself and a woman who did not.

But physical properties like health and looks are just one of many things needed for marriage. We can meet a beautiful woman who has a bad character or simply brings nothing to the table that is worthy the life-long bondage.

I often hear men say they hate women who have tattoos. Personally, I think they're hot, especially sleeve tattoos. While I like a woman with a feminine body shape and face there is something really attractive when she has more of a masculine personality.

I don't prefer smokers, but as someone who drinks myself, I like a woman who does too. Women with these traits are not necessarily bad people. I'm not saying you're saying this.. but some men view women as dogs who should be told what to do and not get into any mischief. I do not agree with that, and as someone who speaks out against feminism some people assume I do think this way. When in reality... I find many feminist women unappealing because of fragile and feminine their personalities are.

 

[trophy33]

I often hear men say they hate women who have tattoos. Personally, I think they're hot, especially sleeve tattoos. While I like a woman with a feminine body shape and face there is something really attractive when she has more of a masculine personality.

I don't prefer smokers, but as someone who drinks myself, I like a woman who does too.

Sure, some few men may like almost anything, I was talking more generally, what the majority of men prefer or see.

You personally may like drinking tattooed women and thats fine, your choice. But I guess its not easy for you to find such woman who is also a good marriage material.

Edit: not sure why you use so strongly emotional language ("hate women who have tattoos"). Many men simply find that unattractive, why would they spend some more time and energy to hate them? They simply ignore them regarding romantic relationships.

 

[trophy33]

Honestly, wow. Your comments in this thread are extremely unsettling.

Physical attraction plays a part in suitability, but with as much respect and temperance as I can muster, your attitude is absolutely atrocious.

Looks will fade over time, regardless of how attractive a person is at any point in time. How someone will look in 10 years is irrelevant, because the same argument is undone by how they’ll look in 11. Where does it end? Either way you’ll both be old and you’d better hope that when you’re both sat in skin scarred by age that they’re someone that can hold a conversation, be spiritually encouraging, active and uplifting, and generally just a nice person.

I can also say for certain as someone that is the only man in my workplace of women ranging from 26-70 that your perception of age and its association with, or determination of beauty is just wrong. Some people age better than others, and that’s certainly not restricted to either gender. If anything, women tend to take better care of themselves and age more gracefully than men as a result.

I honestly don’t know what else I can say without speaking contrary to God’s expectations of our conduct.

Respectfully, you should discuss these talking points with your Pastor and ask them if you’re viewing things through a worldly lens or a Biblical and Christ-like lens. I think the rest of us know that answer, but hopefully coming from the authority of someone responsible for his flock it will help you see things differently.

What is so extremely unsettling about a fact that women age (and relatively quickly compared to men) and that its something mainly younger men must take into consideration before making a life-long marriage contract? They do not think too straight because of hormones and do not realize that "what you see is what you get" does not work for too long.

You should be the first to want men to have all the facts to make informed decisions. So that you will not complain later in life.

If truths make you uncomfortable, its you who should "talk to your pastor" (whatever good you imagine you will get from it), I guess. Because we live in a reality, not in a romantic movie. And if you are not willing to accept that, you may end up with various mental problems.

6 Reasons Why Women Age Faster Than Men - BeautySparkReview

Why Women Age Faster Than Men

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Other reasons are from modern lifestyle of many women. For example sunbathing makes you to age even faster. Drinking, smoking. Obesity (even if you will lose weight later, the skin will stay stretched and loose to some extent).

Should this be some secret or something? Are you afraid men will not marry, if they are not fed with illusions? For example, the vast majority of men looses the density of hair with age, much faster than women. These are facts of life and they cannot offend us.

 

[trophy33]

This is the most homo thread ever. Whenever a group of guys get together to share how repulsed they are by women, and how much better men look at their age, you know they aren't heterosexual haha. The gay vibes are strong in this thread

Its sad that you and some other women in this thread actually prove my point that the most of women (even Christian ones) are undatable.

Unable to be reasoned with, weird emotional exaggerating reactions to somebody's opinions or to facts, bad representation of what somebody else said and when nothing works, lets try some gay shaming. Very mature.

 

[DragonFox91]

Its sad that you and some other women in this thread actually prove my point that the most of women (even Christian ones) are undatable.

Unable to be reasoned with, weird emotional exaggerating reactions to somebody's opinions or to facts, bad representation of what somebody else said and when nothing works, lets try some gay shaming. Very mature.

She's just trying to add a laugh, I really don't think she meant to be mean. There's no reason to be upset.

 

[trophy33]

She's just trying to add a laugh, I really don't think she meant to be mean. There's no reason to be upset.

I am not upset. It would be really bad if I got upset from some online forums.

If this was supposed to be some kind of humor, I do not know. Not my kind, anyway.

 

[DragonFox91]

I am not upset. It would be really bad if I got upset from some online forums.

If this was supposed to be some kind of humor, I do not know. Not my kind, anyway.

No need to act negative then. You said she & other women here are undatable. If she wants to date, that hurts her. I suppose maybe you mean they'd be undatable for you as a person, so then that needs to be communicated better.

 

[trophy33]

No need to act negative then. You said she & other women here are undatable. If she wants to date, that hurts her. I suppose maybe you mean they'd be undatable for you as a person, so then that needs to be communicated better.

Anybody who wants to date should behave in a way that its joyful and easy to date them. Thats how it works.

Truth may hurt, but the hurting is just in your own emotions. You can either feel offended or change. Being undatable is not forever, if one is able to change.

 

[DragonFox91]

Anybody who wants to date should behave in a way that its joyful and easy to date them. Thats how it works.

Truth may hurt, but the hurting is just in your own emotions. You can either feel offended or change. Being undatable is not forever, if one is able to change.

Okay, that makes sense. I think it’s good to have both hard truth & encouragement, not just hard truth. I didn’t see that in your post #248.

 

[mojoboy31]

Anybody who wants to date should behave in a way that its joyful and easy to date them. Thats how it works.

Its sad that you and some other women in this thread actually prove my point that the most of women (even Christian ones) are undatable.

Unable to be reasoned with, weird emotional exaggerating reactions to somebody's opinions or to facts, bad representation of what somebody else said

If anything in this thread is "undatable", it is attitudes like these.

You are undatable, because your expectations of women are unrealistic, and you seem to have zero understanding or grace when those expectations aren't met or exceeded.
"Anybody who wants to date should behave in a way that its joyful and easy to date them. Thats how it works."
Ummmmmm, nope. Not how it works.
No one is joyful all the time. No one Is always easy to be around. Everyone has opinions, thoughts, and feelings, a great many of which, you aren't always going to like.

"Unable to be reasoned with, weird emotional exaggerating reactions to others posts, bad representations of what somebody else said..."
Dude, that's been like your entire persona this whole thread.

 

[LoveDivine]

Its sad that you and some other women in this thread actually prove my point that the most of women (even Christian ones) are undatable.

Unable to be reasoned with, weird emotional exaggerating reactions to somebody's opinions or to facts, bad representation of what somebody else said and when nothing works, lets try some gay shaming. Very mature.

Overly sensitive? Lol. It was funny. Come on, it really does start to get weird when men share their dislikes of women's appearances to the degree it was being stated here, and then pat each other on the back that they age so well. If that isn't homo, please share what is. We are a few posts away from becoming our own Spartan colony. Of course I am being sarcastic and humorous in this post and the previous one I made. That was my attempt to show how silly this thread was getting.

As for being mature, how is a Christian supposed to take seriously anything you shared in this thread ? I already tried that pages ago when I tried to have a conversation with you about Godliness. How is it my fault that you only want to discuss physical characteristics? I never responded to your comments about women's appearances or fought with you about it. I let you have your say. I made one joke and you declared me undatable.

Extreme misogyny and misandry always leads to gayness. That's not me being a troll. It's a fact.

I fail to see how my joke is a weird emotional reaction to all your "facts." It's ironic that when you share something it's a fact. Even though most of it was total madness, but when others say something that offends you it is an emotional reaction. If you wants some facts, how about these: I grew up with lots of brothers and have known lots of guys. None of them would say this stuff. In fact they say the opposite. That straight men don't scrutinize women to this level. Guys notice the big picture. My brothers always said that when guys do this they struggle with attraction for women. It actually makes a ton of sense considering that women are more detail oriented and tend to be more picky about all the little things. So, I merely joked based on what I have observed.

 

[TheLastGeek]

My brothers always said that when guys do this they struggle with attraction for women. It actually makes a ton of sense considering that women are more detail oriented and tend to be more picky about all the little things. So, I merely joked based on what I have observed.

It feels like "incel" type thinking to me. Not necessarily men who aren't attracted to women, but men who lack the social awareness, skills, and understanding to relate to, connect with, appreciate, respect, and love women as human beings. Women are just physically attractive things to impregnate, and if you achieve all the proper Chad points and still creep women out because you don't view them as people, but arm candy, you continue to feed into your own bitterness and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Women aren't dateable" - "I'm lonely and horny" - "I can't find a woman who'll date me" - "Women aren't dateable".

Thankfully, I know enough good, kind, caring, lovely men, that I do not lose faith entirely in the opposite sex.

 

[LoveDivine]

It feels like "incel" type thinking to me. Not necessarily men who aren't attracted to women, but men who lack the social awareness, skills, and understanding to relate to, connect with, appreciate, respect, and love women as human beings. Women are just physically attractive things to impregnate, and if you achieve all the proper Chad points and still creep women out because you don't view them as people, but arm candy, you continue to feed into your own bitterness and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Women aren't dateable" - "I'm lonely and horny" - "I can't find a woman who'll date me" - "Women aren't dateable".

Thankfully, I know enough good, kind, caring, lovely men, that I do not lose faith entirely in the opposite sex.

Same for me. I like guys, haha. I don't extrapolate any negative experiences I have had in the past with Christian guys to form my opinion about all Christian men. That is silly and short- sighted. Plus I have always had a great relationship with my own dad and brothers. I see that men are very capable of being decent and gentlemanly. I brought up gayness earlier as a joke, but I do truly see the connection between incel like behavior and misogyny and gayness. When you allow your views to become so distorted and hateful you actually give yourself up to inordinate affections. The same goes for a man- hating women. Some women are so bitter towards men that they start to lose all femininity and become savage. You can't allow yourself to hate others. It twists you.

But what do we know, we are undatable lol. It is really odd that we are supposed to read page after page of unnecessary commentary about how badly women age, and be okay with it because it is "just the facts." The reality is that we could point out many physical flaws that men have ( that stand out more with age), but neither one of us did that. I'm pretty sure that if we stated "just the facts" that it might actually wound or add more misery to some of the decent guys who post here who are suffering. I would never want to do that. Calling out or mocking very bad behavior is one thing, but cutting others down for physical traits beyond their control is cruel. I don't take back any comments or jokes that I posted about gay vibes. It was very ridiculous what was being shared in this thread. I could have also condemned the posts from a spiritual perspective instead, but some have already demonstrated that they care little for Godliness.

It's very ungodly and surprising that some Christian men think it is okay to post what was shared here publicly. You never know how your words may harm someone else.

 

[DragonFox91]

Geek, I'm curious why you lumped him with the incels when his attitude can be the same of those who aren't? I'm not looking to argue, I'm just curious:

It's easy to pick on the incels, & you see it more & more as an insult which just makes it worse b/c they're determining their value by what they don't have, but the reality is those who aren't incels & are just looking for 'arm candy', also have most of those same unBiblical attitudes. I think he's that! I get that from his 'meh, women aren't even that great Dragon' attitude. which is wrong b/c they're great anyways.

 

[TheLastGeek]

Geek, I'm curious why you lumped him with the incels when his attitude can be the same of those who aren't? I'm not looking to argue, I'm just curious:

It's easy to pick on the incels, & you see it more & more as an insult which just makes it worse b/c they're determining their value by what they don't have, but the reality is those who aren't incels & are just looking for 'arm candy', also have most of those same unBiblical attitudes. I think he's that! I get that from his 'meh, women aren't even that great Dragon' attitude. which is wrong b/c they're great anyways.

Well, this could become a whole separate discussion thread, for sure. Bear in mind, what I stated above does not encompass every single, non-sexually-active man or person. I'm referring to the incel culture, which is, unfortunately, a very real and toxic thing. Good, decent, honorable men who are simply single and looking don't fall under that category at all.

 

[trophy33]

If anything in this thread is "undatable", it is attitudes like these.

You are undatable, because your expectations of women are unrealistic, and you seem to have zero understanding or grace when those expectations aren't met or exceeded.
"Anybody who wants to date should behave in a way that its joyful and easy to date them. Thats how it works."
Ummmmmm, nope. Not how it works.
No one is joyful all the time. No one Is always easy to be around. Everyone has opinions, thoughts, and feelings, a great many of which, you aren't always going to like.

"Unable to be reasoned with, weird emotional exaggerating reactions to others posts, bad representations of what somebody else said..."
Dude, that's been like your entire persona this whole thread.

The point of my posts is for men to be realistic. Some men (better to say boys) idealize both women and marriage and think that its some ultimate life goal (though this thinking is disappearing quite quickly, generally).

Not sure what expectations I posted and you think are unrealistic, you mentioned none and I do not recall posting any expectations.

Anyway, Im fine with being undatable, I am not looking for a relationship. As I said earlier, marriage/long term relationship with common current women and under current laws and rules is not worth it - for me and for the majority of young men, today.