Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you. Doesn't apply to God.

If God was going to edit one of His own commandments that He said no editing- a commandment He personally wrote and personally spoke -seems like you should want to first find the clear scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated, especially considering what's at risk for making such a strong stand/teaching when no such verse exists. Matthew 5:19

Apparently the commandment of remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy was written on the apostles' and His followers hearts, since they were keeping every Sabbath according to the Word of God long after the cross, so it is written in some hearts as demonstrated by the Word of God in the NC. Not everyone accepts what has been written in their hearts which is why there is a plea to not harden our hearts in rebellion to God.

The Text calls it the 7th day not Sabbath.

God, the Creator said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and the Sabbath commandment points us right back to Creation Exodus 20:11 and judgement Revelation 14:7 The Lord said the Sabbath is My holy day Isaiah 58:13 and no such statement stating this ever changes for any reason. Almost every ancient language Saturday (seventh day) means Sabbath.

I will probably not continue this discussion as I don't think either of us is changing our minds anytime soon but wish you well in seeking Truth to God's Word.

 

[trophy33]

If God was going to edit one of His own commandments that He said no editing- a commandment He personally wrote and personally spoke

I hope you realize that God personally spoke to people for about 33 years. So the ten commandments from the Old Covenant era are not so special now. We have tons of personal teachings of God in gospels. The New Covenant is so much superior in every aspect... as said also in the letter to Hebrews:

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
Heb 1:1

Apparently the commandment of remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy was written on the apostles' and His followers hearts, since they were keeping every Sabbath

You just read your ideas into Scriptures. The fact that the apostle Paul was preaching to Jews in synagogues every sabbath is not the same thing as keeping the Sabbath. He simply went where people gathered together to hear the word.

God, the Creator said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

For ancient Jews till Christ.

The Sabbath is My holy day Isaiah 58:13

For ancient Jews till Christ.

and no such statement stating this ever changes for any reason.

Except of the New Testament saying that the Mosaic Law was till Christ.

Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed [i.e. Jesus Christ] to whom the promise referred...
...Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Gal 3

 

[HIM]

I guess I'd have to see your take on the typical verses like: Rom14:14-15; Acts10:9-16; 1Cor8:8; Col2:16.

"Please do a word study on common and unclean in relation to Acts 10 first and then Romans 14."
And Colossians 2 needs to be understood in it's context.

Ministry is understood. Content remains part of the question.

No Deut. 29:1; 30:10-14 resolve content.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I hope you realize that God personally spoke to people for about 33 years. So the ten commandments from the Old Covenant era are not so special now. We have tons of personal teachings of God in gospels. The New Covenant is so much superior in every aspect... as said also in the letter to Hebrews:

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
Heb 1:1

Which means Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments- Heb 8, Col 1:16 you can let Him know your thoughts of His works. Jesus did not come to destroy His own commandments Matthew 5:17-30

You just read your ideas into Scriptures.

An example of doing this is below…

The fact that the apostle Paul was preaching to Jews in synagogues every sabbath is not the same thing as keeping the Sabbath. He simply went where people gathered together to hear the word.

For ancient Jews till Christ.

For ancient Jews till Christ.


Except of the New Testament saying that the Mosaic Law was till Christ.

Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed [i.e. Jesus Christ] to whom the promise referred...
...Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Gal 3

Where does the word “Mosaic Law” appear in this scripture- do we no longer need to love God with all of our hearts? There are lots of laws in scripture so we are best served understanding the context - and note it does not say the Ten Commandments and as I previously showed you, those are kept for God’s people as shown up to the final event of Jesus Coming Revelation 14:12 Revelation 22:14-15

It says now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian because those with faith uphold the law Romans 3:31

 

[HIM]

Where does the word “Mosaic Law” appear in this scripture- do we no longer need to love God with all of our hearts? There are lots of laws in scripture so you would be best served understanding the context - and note it does not say the Ten Commandments and as I previously showed you, those are kept for God’s people as shown in the final event of Jesus coming Revelation 14:12 Revelation 22:14-15

The Law - singular, monolithic legal document given to Israel till Christ.

And yet; what is the word of God, Scripture to Paul?

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And if we are stuck on the word law which would be a synonym for scripture and the word of God, apparently Paul also had something important to say to clear that up. He says it is for sinners and sound doctrine.

Any non-sinners here? Anybody want sound doctrine?

1Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And yet; what is the word of God, Scripture to Paul?

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And if we are stuck on the word law which would be a synonym for scripture and the word of God, apparently Paul also had something important to say to clear that up. He says it is for sinners and sound doctrine.
Any non-sinners here? Anybody want sound doctrine?

1Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Amen.

 

[Freth]

HIM quoted a verse that I wanted to touch on. These two statements are in harmony with each other.

• Paul: Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
• John: Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[trophy33]

Which means Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments- Col 1:16 you can let Him know your thoughts of His works. Jesus did not come to destroy His own commandments Matthew 5:17-30

He did let us know through his apostles who wrote gospels and letters to churches. The Law was given only till His coming as He also said, clearly:
The Law and the prophets were until John [John the Baptist - the last prophet of the Old Covenant]. From that time the kingdom of God is proclaimed
Lk 16:16

Where does the word “Mosaic Law” appear in this scripture

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law.
J 7:19
Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a boy on the Sabbath.
J 7:22
Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow...
Mt 22:24
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:38

And many others. The Law given by Moses is sometimes called the Mosaic Law, because its shorter.

- do we no longer need to love God with all of our hearts? There are lots of laws in scripture so we are best served understanding the context - and note it does not say the Ten Commandments and as I previously showed you, those are kept for God’s people as shown up to the final event of Jesus Coming Revelation 14:12 Revelation 22:14-15

Some moral, universal laws of the Mosaic Law continue also in our Christian era (and are repeated to Christians in the New Testament), but not the keeping of Sabbath. The keeping of Sabbath was ceremonial and physical and it does not fit into the New Covenant that is spiritual, about heart and minds.

It says now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian because those with faith uphold the law Romans 3:31

You do not understand what the "we uphold the law" means in the context of Romans 3. It does not mean "we keep the commandments of the Law", please try to read the whole chapter. It means that our faith confirms the purpose of the Law. Really, just read some few verses around the verses you like to repeatedly post again and again.

 

[trophy33]

And yet; what is the word of God, Scripture to Paul?

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And if we are stuck on the word law which would be a synonym for scripture and the word of God, apparently Paul also had something important to say to clear that up. He says it is for sinners and sound doctrine.

Any non-sinners here? Anybody want sound doctrine?

1Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Reading what was said to Adam may be profitable, but it was not said to us, so you must understand what you read.
Reading what was said to Noah may be profitable, but it was not said to us, so you must understand what you read.
etc, etc, etc, etc...
Reading what was said to Moses/Israel may be profitable, but it was not said to us, so you must understand what you read.

If you do not understand what you read, to whom it was written, for what time and place, you misuse Scriptures.

 

[Leaf473]

The keeping of Sabbath was ceremonial and physical and it does not fit into the New Covenant that is spiritual, about heart and minds.

That it is ceremonial and physical in nature is clear to me in that it starts at sunset, which is at different times in different places of the world. It also depends on an international date line.

 

[GDL]

If God was going to edit one of His own commandments that He said no editing

Let's be clear please; God edited out of His Law 100's of His commandments when He ended sacrifices and made His Son the Great High Priest. If Hebrews didn't tell us the Law was changed, I'd more readily say it was gone and a new one implemented. But change could also mean just that - we went from the Law of Moses to the Law of Messiah which would say Mosaic Law ended as it was a unit, and Law of Messiah is now in place and we're looking for commandments and instruction in the Mosaic Law (like Lev19:18 and those of the 10C that are clearly commanded in the NC - like the 9 of the 10 that are - and then we're looking for others that were in Moses that would relate to those 9 commandments (like Paul says in Rom13:9) as summarized by Love for Neighbor. Also, Paul used the wisdom of Deut25:4 in 1Tim5:18 & 1Cor9:9.

BTW, "Mosaic Law" is a widely used phrase in Bible Circles. The Law of Moses shows up at least 21 times in the Bible and Moses commanded law is also stated in both the OC & NC.

God, the Creator said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

God the Creator finished & ceased (rest is a possible translation) His work on the seventh day. This is what Gen2:2 tells us. He blessed it and set it apart because He ceased (rest is a possible translation). This is what Gen2:3 tells us.

The noun "sabbath" is not used in Scripture until Ex16:23 when God has begun dealing with the children of Israel.

There is no command anywhere from Gen until Exodus to keep a Sabbath. Not in the Garden. Not to and through Abraham. Not until the children of Israel have to be taught like children how to keep it. And this is after Ex12:2 where God sets the beginning of their calendar for them.

It is pure conjecture that Adam or anyone else before the kids of Israel are commanded to keep Sabbath. If anyone knows differently from Scripture, my eyes and ears are wide open for this Truth.

It is not conjecture that there was Law before Moses (Gen26:5 at minimum & God's creation is to be of God's righteous character). It is not conjecture that Law exists for our time.

Please feel free to drop from our discussion any time. I completely understand your reason.

 

[GDL]

"Please do a word study on common and unclean in relation to Acts 10 first and then Romans 14."
And Colossians 2 needs to be understood in it's context.

No Deut. 29:1; 30:10-14 resolve content.

It would be easier at this point if you gave me the main point re: common & unclean you're pointing me to. I wrestled with Acts10:14 compared to Acts 10:28 & Acts11:8 & the matter of foods for some time.

All Scripture needs to be understood in its context. I'm open to compare POV.

You'll need to be clearer re: the Deut. verses. How do you see their resolving content?

 

[GDL]

HIM quoted a verse that I wanted to touch on. These two statements are in harmony with each other.

• Paul: Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
• John: Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

cc: @SabbathBlessings @HIM since you both responded to this.

And what would you say to those who agree with you re: the vital importance of keeping the commandments of God, which @HIM has tied to the Word of God & Scripture & [I think] Law/Nomos/Torah (which I'll add in the Hebrew sense means instruction), but see an abundance of God's commandments which are in the Book of the Law as having been negated and see the Sabbath command as being or likely being among them?

IOW, do you think those who do not see the seventh day Sabbath command in existence any longer are any less focused on obeying the commandments of God they see as part of the Law of Christ and as likely having been in existence since Creation?

 

[HIM]

It would be easier at this point if you gave me the main point re: common & unclean you're pointing me to. I wrestled with Acts10:14 compared to Acts 10:28 & Acts11:8 & the matter of foods for some time.

In Acts 10 all manner of animals were seen but Peter only seen two different types, common and unclean. Showing a distinction was seen. No clean animal was there because if it or anything intermingled with, touched the unclean it was considered defiled and therefore common.

And God only cleansed the common in the vision. No mention of the unclean being cleansed.
Romans 14 is also about these animals that were considered common but in respect those found in the market in respect to not being Kosher and having been used for sacrifice. Same Greek word is used in Romans as in Acts.

And as you know Peter tells what he got from the vision in 10:28.

Acts 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

I'm open to compare POV.

I like to think I am lol.

You'll need to be clearer re: the Deut. verses. How do you see their resolving content?

It tells us outright what God places in the heart.
Romans 10:6-8 is a paraphrase of Deut 30 10-14. Paul's readers would have made that connection and read Deut.

 

[HIM]

Reading what was said to Adam may be profitable, but it was not said to us, so you must understand what you read.
Reading what was said to Noah may be profitable, but it was not said to us, so you must understand what you read.
etc, etc, etc, etc...
Reading what was said to Moses/Israel may be profitable, but it was not said to us, so you must understand what you read.

If you do not understand what you read, to whom it was written, for what time and place, you misuse Scriptures.

The Law is for the sinner and for sound doctrine. So unless you are righteous and not a sinner and could careless about sound doctrine you are correct.

1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Little children be NOT deceived they who do righteousness are righteous Even as He is righteous.

 

[trophy33]

The Law is for the sinner and for sound doctrine. So unless you are righteous and not a sinner and could careless about sound doctrine you are correct.

1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Little children be NOT deceived they who do righteousness are righteous Even as He is righteous.

Please, notice the sentence Paul said before your quote:

"They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert." 1 Tm 1:7

The Law was given to Israel till Christ - Gal 3. If we do not understand the purpose, time and place of the Law, we are misusing it.

 

[HIM]

Please, notice the sentence Paul said before your quote:

"They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert." 1 Tm 1:7

The Law was given to Israel till Christ - Gal 3. If we do not understand the purpose, time and place of the Law, we are misusing it.

Which does not negate the facts to which Paul through God said the law is for. So unless you are sinless and do not want sound doctrine you are correct. But if you do sin and want sound doctrine then the law still has a purpose.

 

[trophy33]

Which does negate the facts to which Paul through God said the law is for. So unless you are sinless and do not want sound doctrine you are correct. But if you do sin and want sound doctrine then the law still has a purpose.

Not sure what you mean by negating... it was given to Israel till Christ.

After Christ, we live by the New Covenant with its rules.

 

[Leaf473]

Which does negate the facts to which Paul through God...

Did you mean to say "does not negate"?
And "God through Paul"?

 

[HIM]

Not sure what you mean by negating... it was given to Israel till Christ.

After Christ, we live by the New Covenant with its rules.

The law, scripture is for the sinner and sound doctrine. So if you are sinless and do not want sound doctrine you are correct.