Biden campaign received massive help

[DaisyDay]

That is not commentary.

It's blatant demagoguery.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you don't want me to talk about something in your OP, then don't put it in your OP.

I didn't see that in the OP. Which link was it in?

If there was no negative consequences of Biden rustling up some intelligence,

It was disinformation....not intelligence....and this is what they tried to impeach Trump over.

then I'm not concerned about it. The Russians probably did get involved with misinformation to some degree, they do that an awful lot.

What the world are you talking about? The Russians probably did get involved with misinformation?

Hunter admitted that the laptop was his. Other outlets admitted the truth much later after the election. There's no reason to believe Russian disinformation was ever involved.

 

[Ana the Ist]

American citizens have every right, even a duty, to participate in American elections. This charge is totally bogus on its face yet it is repeated as the talking point du jour.

What do you mean by bogus?


The guy who wrote the article regularly contributed to left wing propaganda outlets like WaPo. The idea that these media organizations didn't knowingly spread misinformation is the only thing bogus here.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The op seems to be suggesting that former IC members are not free to express a collective opinion.

For the purpose of deceiving the public before an election?

If you're saying we should no longer consider these people truthful....I'd agree. If you're saying we can no longer consider media like the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, LATimes, Boston Times, and more other outlets than I count are nothing more than Democratic Party propaganda.....I'd agree.

Saying this is merely expressing opinions means we literally wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on some Russian trolls lying on Facebook just expressing opinions on Hillary Clinton and her hobbies.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So is airing an attack ad or publishing an endorsement. Neither is illegal or otherwise improper.

That part of the report was troubling and should be investigated. Apparently, at least one of the people who signed the letter heard about it in advance from one of the CIA officers who reviewed it under the Agency's publication review system (which any publication from current or former CIA officers must go through so that it may be checked for classified information). He was having his own separate work reviewed and happened to have his work cleared the same day that the letter was sent in - the person who notified him also told him about the letter and asked if he was going to sign it. It should be noted that the authors of the letter found this troubling as well. Active members of the intelligence community should stay out of politics.

Again, please explain what is wrong with this. Why does it warrant an investigation? What laws, regulations, or ethical guidelines does it violate?

It's the exact same thing Trump was accused of doing in 2016 and was the basis for his attempted impeachment.

If Blinken indeed was the impetus for this....his appointment as Secretary of State should be rescinded. If this is all harmless and Biden isn't dirty....it's hard to imagine why his campaign and the media wanted it squashed so badly and why the FBI has an open investigation into the laptop with no progress.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I’m pretty sure that American citizens are legally permitted to influence elections.

More Americans influencing an election seems like it ought to be a goal, not something that lands people in gaol.

Surely you don't think it's good that these men traded their intelligence titles for the opportunity to spread disinformation?

People tend to believe what the intelligence community says. When they get together to lie and the left wing propaganda machine spreads that lie....that's not good for informing voters.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Please explain how a statement issued by former intelligence agents equates to "colluding with US intelligence agencies".

The one writing the letter has a private business of former intelligence officials. Beyond spreading disinformation for the Democratic Party, I'm not sure exactly what they do.

If they're former intelligence agents, that means that they are now private citizens (and were when they issued the statement), correct? We see plenty of retired military, intelligence, legal, and political figures go on to use their qualifications to influence the public - as TV commentators, in think tanks, as authors, etc. This isn't any different.

Why is this a mystery? There are a heck of a lot more than 51 retired members of the intelligence community in this country. It's no stretch that some have remained in contact with each other, and that at least some of those know people still involved in government (such as Biden's campaign advisors).

Right. The author of the letter has a podcast that Blinken appeared on in 2020.

And it's also no stretch to imagine that ~50 of them would also not be fans of Trump, and be interested in leveraging the credibility lent by their qualifications in order to try to influence the public in their capacity as private citizens.

Well that's the troublesome part. If they were stating the truth and their partisan bias was highlighted by the media....this would be a non-issue. If this was Trump’s campaign and he'd won the election....you'd probably be supporting his impeachment.

 

[wing2000]

For the purpose of deceiving the public before an election?

Read the letter then cite which portion is deceiving.

 

[DaisyDay]

What do you mean by bogus?

The idea that because 51 former intelligence guys thought the October Surprise was fishy as all get-out and signed a letter to that effect that constitutes "election interference". That is a bogus charge - participation by citizens in campaigning is part of democracy.

The guy who wrote the article regularly contributed to left wing propaganda outlets like WaPo. The idea that these media organizations didn't knowingly spread misinformation is the only thing bogus here.

1) What guy? One article was by Samantha Chang, currently of Western Journal and the other was by Miranda Devine, currently at the New York Post.
2) Which article?
3) Why would I care if whoever it is you're referring to contributed to regular media?
4) No, the idea that the letter should be "investigated!!!" by Jordan's ironically named Weaponization Committee because it demonstrates the weaponization of government is bogus because none of the officials were in the government.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Read the letter then cite which portion is deceiving.

I read the letter....the deceiving part is the way the Biden campaign and media held it up as proof of Russian disinformation. The sort of conclusions the authors should have decried.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The idea that because 51 former intelligence guys thought the October Surprise was fishy as all get-out and signed a letter to that effect that constitutes "election interference". That is a bogus charge - participation by citizens in campaigning is part of democracy.

Right....well if that's how you feel, I'm curious what exactly was it about the 2016 election that was cause for so much concern about disinformation and the need for impeachment.

1) What guy? One article was by Samantha Chang, currently of Western Journal and the other was by Miranda Devine, currently at the New York Post.
2) Which article?
3) Why would I care if whoever it is you're referring to contributed to regular media?
4) No, the idea that the letter should be "investigated!!!" by Jordan's ironically named Weaponization Committee because it demonstrates the weaponization of government is bogus because none of the officials were in the government.

Sorry, I should have written the guy who authored the letter. My apologies.

You can say to a certainty that none of these signees works for any branch of government either in an official or private capacity?

 

[wing2000]

I read the letter....the deceiving part is the way the Biden campaign and media held it up as proof of Russian disinformation. The sort of conclusions the authors should have decried.

Such as? Statement by Biden or his campaign?

 

[Always in His Presence]

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[Ana the Ist]

Such as? Statement by Biden or his campaign?

Yeah, and the media in general. Do you want specific examples?

 

[USincognito]

I must applaud our conservative friends for their unending tenacity and belief that the supposed laptop is the greatest political scandal of all time and that news organizations smelling an October Surprise was the end of the Republic (again).

It's fascinating how concepts promoted by the Conservisphere become metastasized in the minds of their audience. We see it over and over. Between slogans like "you didn't build that", "what difference does it make (sic)" and "some people did something"; inversions of reality like "Hillary colluded with the Russians", "Biden shook down Ukraine to protect Hunter" and "Biden works for the CCP"; to outright fan fiction like "there was widespread fraud in 2020" and "Trump actually won, but the only reason it looked like he didn't is because the government (which was run by Trump, but actually was the deep state), the liberal media (WSJ), leftist social media and George Soros conspired to keep the laptop secret and thereby fooled people into voting for Joe Biden".

It's really quite something to witness.

 

[Pommer]

I must applaud our conservative friends for their unending tenacity and belief that the supposed laptop is the greatest political scandal of all time and that news organizations smelling an October Surprise was the end of the Republic (again).

It's fascinating how concepts promoted by the Conservisphere become metastasized in the minds of their audience. We see it over and over. Between slogans like "you didn't build that", "what difference does it make (sic)" and "some people did something"; inversions of reality like "Hillary colluded with the Russians", "Biden shook down Ukraine to protect Hunter" and "Biden works for the CCP"; to outright fan fiction like "there was widespread fraud in 2020" and "Trump actually won, but the only reason it looked like he didn't is because the government (which was run by Trump, but actually was the deep state), the liberal media (WSJ), leftist social media and George Soros conspired to keep the laptop secret and thereby fooled people into voting for Joe Biden".

It's really quite something to witness.

The joys of doublethink.

 

[DaisyDay]

Right....well if that's how you feel, I'm curious what exactly was it about the 2016 election that was cause for so much concern about disinformation and the need for impeachment.

I don't know what you're talking about, exactly. What need for impeachment in 2016? Oh wait - are you conflating foreign, Russian, interference with American elections with Americans participating in American elections? Because that is exactly what is bogus here.

Sorry, I should have written the guy who authored the letter. My apologies.

Or you could have asked about the letter rather than "the article" so I would've have had a hint of what you were referring to.

You can say to a certainty that none of these signees works for any branch of government either in an official or private capacity?

If they did officially they would be in violation of the Hatch Act.

What kind of private capacity are you hinting at? That's so vague as to be meaningless. You're not claiming they do, you're hinting that maybeeee one or two or three or the lot of 'em miiight....you know...wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Hints and innuendos.

 

[DaisyDay]

I must applaud our conservative friends for their unending tenacity and belief that the supposed laptop is the greatest political scandal of all time and that news organizations smelling an October Surprise was the end of the Republic (again).

It's fascinating how concepts promoted by the Conservisphere become metastasized in the minds of their audience. We see it over and over. Between slogans like "you didn't build that", "what difference does it make (sic)" and "some people did something"; inversions of reality like "Hillary colluded with the Russians", "Biden shook down Ukraine to protect Hunter" and "Biden works for the CCP"; to outright fan fiction like "there was widespread fraud in 2020" and "Trump actually won, but the only reason it looked like he didn't is because the government (which was run by Trump, but actually was the deep state), the liberal media (WSJ), leftist social media and George Soros conspired to keep the laptop secret and thereby fooled people into voting for Joe Biden".

It's really quite something to witness.

And don't forget one of the greatest hits of the decade - "open economic borders" morphing magically to "open borders".

 

[Nithavela]

I can see the strategy here. When expressing an opinion that might influence the election is "rigging" and when two people expressing the same opinion is "colluding", then nothing is either.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know what you're talking about, exactly. What need for impeachment in 2016?

Don't recall 2016?

Oh wait - are you conflating foreign, Russian, interference with American elections with Americans participating in American elections?

I'm sorry....

You'll have to be more clear about what you mean by Russian interference....

Are we talking about Russian trolls spreading disinformation on Facebook groups?

I can't really answer until I know what you consider "election interference" because apparently, a coordinated effort to spread disinformation isn't something that qualifies in your book.

Or you could have asked about the letter rather than "the article" so I would've have had a hint of what you were referring to.

Is it clear now? I admitted my mistake. If it's still unclear I'll rewrite that post.

If they did officially they would be in violation of the Hatch Act.

Right...I haven't gone through the entire list nor do I know what sort of work this private company of the letter author does....

Which is why I asked if you knew.

What kind of private capacity are you hinting at? That's so vague as to be meaningless. You're not claiming they do, you're hinting that maybeeee one or two or three or the lot of 'em miiight....you know...wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Hints and innuendos.

Uh....as in "the government pays this company to do something for them". It's not so much "hint hint" as it is "fact fact" that multiple signers work for the business run by the letter’s author.

If I had to guess, they're probably another Fusion GPS....but I honestly have no idea.