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IT says "after the tribulation" and I also agree that it says this after it talks about the abomination of desolation... so yeah based in the details in the text - it is after all of it... even after the fake second coming events as well according to the chapter and after the great signs and wonders, after the signs in the heavens with sun and moon etc.1) The 'gathering' takes place after the abomination
True because the beast is part of the tribulation2) The beast is destroyed - after the tribulation.
Nothing in Matt 24 says the beast is doing anything at all after vs 31.. in fact there is no mention of "beast" at all in Matt 24 so we would need to go to Rev 13 or 14 - and while they do mention the beast they don't mention the gatherering at the rapture - which in Revelation is chapter 19 in any case.The beast is oppressing people who have been gathered ('saints').
3) Literally nowhere in the Bible does it say that people are 'raptured' to heaven.
John 14:1-3 "In My Fathers house are many rooms... I GO to prepare A PLACE for you and if I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and RECEIVE you to myself - in order that - WHERE I am THERE you may be also" --
Matt 6:9 "Our Father who is in heaven - hallowed be Thy name...'
Matthew 5:16 glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven;
Matthew 18:14 "your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish."'
Heb 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 11
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them
Matt 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matt 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matt 24:Nowhere. Even in these verses, it says 'in the air'.
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.
I would never claim that as we see in vs 16 and in vs 17 in the previous quote.Do you think that Paul doesn't know the word for 'heaven'?
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
???Why doesn't he use it?
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