Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

[iluvatar5150]

The original story was that he was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. It was reported on CNN and some other networks.

You fail to understand my point. The operative phrase here is “at the rally.” Sicknick didn’t die until the evening of Jan 7. Yes, there were claims that he was beaten at the rally, but nobody ever claimed that he died at the rally. The claim was always that he died later from injuries sustained during the rally. The argument that @Ana the Ist is putting forward about this guy walking around when he was supposedly dead is just tearing down a straw man.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why do you keep saying that? Nobody ever claimed that he died AT the rally. The ME’s report came out a couple months after his death and said it was from a stroke. Right wing media even gave NYT et al a hard time for correcting their coverage.

Did Officer Brian Sicknick Die After Hit With Extinguisher in Jan. 6 Riot?

The medical examiner ruled Sicknick died of natural causes after confronting rioters at the Capitol.

www.snopes.com

Sorry, if this has already been known for months....then it's news to me.

I haven't followed Jan 6th coverage since it was clearly overblown.

 

[BPPLEE]

You fail to understand my point. The operative phrase here is “at the rally.” Sicknick didn’t die until the evening of Jan 7. Yes, there were claims that he was beaten at the rally, but nobody ever claimed that he died at the rally. The claim was always that he died later from injuries sustained during the rally. The argument that @Ana the Ist is putting forward about this guy walking around when he was supposedly dead is just tearing down a straw man.

Oh I see. You think there would be nothing unusual about there being video of him walking around doing his job with a helmet on after he had received the fatal blows to the head that he reportedly died from? And you completely dismiss all the false reporting in the video I posted. But you make your point. You said “The claim was always that he died later from injuries sustained during the rally “ which is a lie, he died from a stroke and the coroner said he had no injuries.

 

[Hans Blaster]

(I don't normally read your posts, but another poster commented about this particular reply to me, so...)

As I've said before I'm not a Tucker fan. I saw the footage for myself, I want to know what the Capitol police were doing ushering the guy around throughout the Capitol

Tucker's footage doesn't really tell us this. The time stamps are missing and we have no idea from those clips if they are even in the correct order. Given the deceptive nature of Tucker's general presentation, I would not put it past him.

I have not seen a good analysis of the locations seen in those clips, yet. (I also wonder why one side of one of the clips is blurred out. Is it for security reasons, or does it give away the deception. At this point Tucker has earned the dropping of the usual "trust but verify" model for such things.)

and why the recording was withheld from the defense attorney and judge. That is a violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Again, we have no reason to believe it is the case. The "Shaman Escort" clips are pretty benign and those cameras should have been in the "global discovery" for all Jan6 cases that includes things like security cameras and cop body cams excluding only those that are "sensitive". Those were not.

Those attorneys on the selecommittee knew better and they need to be held accountable.

The claim of omission from discovery is not demonstrated. Got any proof?

As for the Jan6 Select committee - it had no responsibility to the defense of Jacob Chansley. They are not the prosecutors and were not obligated to provide it to the defense attorneys. If they want the DOJ to use the footage to prosecute the insurrectionists, then they should turn it over to the DOJ (or rather the USCP should), and it's almost certain that they did. After receiving that footage, the DOJ had an obligation to provide it to the defense, and the almost certainly did.

 

[ralliann]

So now we know conclusively that no police officers were murdered by the mob (the one supposedly beaten with a fire extinguisher can be seen walking around guiding people after his supposed murder, which causes wonder why NYT and CNN got that story so wrong) how can we possibly describe this as a violent insurrection if they killed no one?

Yeah, that was the other issue. Also showed a clip of Merrick Garland saying 5 police officers died. I guess he was including three who later committed suicide. It is just so bad these days.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Oh I see. You think there would be nothing unusual about there being video of him walking around doing his job with a helmet on after he had received the fatal blows to the head that he reportedly died from?

It’s not unheard of for a head injury to take a while to become noticeably problematic. I witnessed someone collapse from a serious stroke a few months ago. Based on some things we learned after the fact, it seems like the event started at least a few hours prior the collapse.

And you completely dismiss all the false reporting in the video I posted.

I ignore a lot of what you post. I started watching that video and quickly gave up when it wasn’t clear that it was even relevant to the rather narrow point I was making. Your subsequent comments confirm that assessment.

But you make your point. You said “The claim was always that he died later from injuries sustained during the rally “ which is a lie, he died from a stroke and the coroner said he had no injuries.

That’s nice.

You know what was also a lie? The whole reason any of those people were there that day.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They "corralled" him right into the Senate chamber.
So what's the defense for that? Did the Capitol Police not know the layout of the building, and mistook the Senate chamber entrance as the exit to the outside of the building?

Tucker didn't provide enough information to determine if that is before, or after Chansley was in the Senate chamber. He deliberately removed the time stamps. Here is footage of the Senate Chamber being cleared at 3:09 PM by a gaggle of cops. Chansley can be clearly seen in the chamber among those escorted out.

(Unfortunately, the only source I found for this footage is embedded in a reporter's tweet. So here is that tweet.)

Cops clear chuds from Chamber

 

[Hans Blaster]

Exculpatory evidence. And no, I am not going to get involved in a trial here. Way, way to much of that has gone on in media. So let's just see how this turns out now that this information has become public. Just for once care enough about this to see what comes of this.

There is nothing exculpatory in the footage of Chansley shown by Tucker. It does not change the crimes he committed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It’s not unheard of for a head injury to take a while to become noticeably problematic. I witnessed someone collapse from a serious stroke a few months ago. Based on some things we learned after the fact, it seems like the event started at least a few hours prior the collapse.

You talking about the same cop? I learned he didn't collapse/die till the next day. Seems unrelated to the Jan 6th riots. Why anyone would imagine him killed at the riot would require deliberate misinformation.

 

[BPPLEE]

It’s not unheard of for a head injury to take a while to become noticeably problematic. I witnessed someone collapse from a serious stroke a few months ago. Based on some things we learned after the fact, it seems like the event started at least a few hours prior the collapse.



I ignore a lot of what you post. I started watching that video and quickly gave up when it wasn’t clear that it was even relevant to the rather narrow point I was making. Your subsequent comments confirm that assessment.


That’s nice.

You know what was also a lie? The whole reason any of those people were there that day.

Yes you ignore anything that disproves your point of view. How did a man with a helmet on receive a blow to the head he later died from? Regardless of why any of those people were there does the truth mean anything to you? Do you think it’s acceptable that all those news outlets reported false information? How many of them have retracted? Are you okay with being lied to? If your scenario applied to this situation wouldn’t the coroner have found the injury?

 

[Valletta]

(I don't normally read your posts, but another poster commented about this particular reply to me, so...)

Tucker's footage doesn't really tell us this. The time stamps are missing and we have no idea from those clips if they are even in the correct order. Given the deceptive nature of Tucker's general presentation, I would not put it past him.

I have not seen a good analysis of the locations seen in those clips, yet. (I also wonder why one side of one of the clips is blurred out. Is it for security reasons, or does it give away the deception. At this point Tucker has earned the dropping of the usual "trust but verify" model for such things.)


Again, we have no reason to believe it is the case. The "Shaman Escort" clips are pretty benign and those cameras should have been in the "global discovery" for all Jan6 cases that includes things like security cameras and cop body cams excluding only those that are "sensitive". Those were not.


The claim of omission from discovery is not demonstrated. Got any proof?

As for the Jan6 Select committee - it had no responsibility to the defense of Jacob Chansley. They are not the prosecutors and were not obligated to provide it to the defense attorneys. If they want the DOJ to use the footage to prosecute the insurrectionists, then they should turn it over to the DOJ (or rather the USCP should), and it's almost certain that they did. After receiving that footage, the DOJ had an obligation to provide it to the defense, and the almost certainly did.

They are part of the government, and the U.S. Constitution requires the government to turn over exculpatory evidence. If they withheld exculpatory evidence they should be disbarred. People are not insurrectionists because you or the select committee want to portray them that way, in my country people are presumed innocent until convicted of a particular crime, in this case if and when they are convicted of insurrection. The Defense attorneys say that they were not provided the recordings.

 

[Valletta]

It’s not unheard of for a head injury to take a while to become noticeably problematic. I witnessed someone collapse from a serious stroke a few months ago. Based on some things we learned after the fact, it seems like the event started at least a few hours prior the collapse.

The Capitol police did make the findings of the coroner public:

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes

 

[BPPLEE]

The Capitol police did make the findings of the coroner public:

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes

It seems to be the practice of some people I’ve encountered on the forum to argue over some insignificant point because they have no answers to the argument being presented.

 

[ralliann]

It seems to be the practice of some people I’ve encountered on the forum to argue over some insignificant point because they have no answers to the argument being presented.

Well, look what it says anyways.
The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.

It does not change the fact.........Good Lord, they cannot loose the narrative.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, look what it says anyways.
The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.

It does not change the fact.........Good Lord, they cannot loose the narrative.

I was not talking about @Valletta

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes you ignore anything that disproves your point of view.

I’m not ignoring anything. I’m merely addressing a very narrow point.

How did a man with a helmet on receive a blow to the head he later died from?

I don’t particularly care. I don’t recall having ever jumped on that bandwagon. You’d have to ask the people who did.

Regardless of why any of those people were there does the truth mean anything to you?

lol, the reason why those people were there was became Trump, Fox News, and others perpetrated a gigantic fraud on all of them. I’m over here trying to get pedantic about one single point and you guys are acting as if I’m whitewashing stuff. Have some perspective for crying out loud.

Do you think it’s acceptable that all those news outlets reported false information? How many of them have retracted?

From what I understand, most (maybe all?) of them have retracted the claim that this guy died from injuries suffered during the attack.

Are you okay with being lied to?

Are you? This whole insurrection was built on a farce and Tucker Carlson has resurrected it with a new farce.

If your scenario applied to this situation wouldn’t the coroner have found the injury?

I don’t know, nor do I particularly care. If you want to castigate the media for jumping the gun on this issue, go for it. I won’t defend them. But you asked me a question about a guy walking around with a head injury and I answered with a personal anecdote about a person walking around for hours with a brain bleed before collapsing in front of me.

It seems to be the practice of some people I’ve encountered on the forum to argue over some insignificant point because they have no answers to the argument being presented.

lol k buddy. Not everybody wants to get dragged into a giant argument every time. I identified one particular statement that was easy to address and chose to address it. I’m reserving judgment on much of the capitol stuff until the full footage is released, not filtered through the opportunistic fraud that is Tucker Carlson.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, look what it says anyways.
The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.

It does not change the fact.........Good Lord, they cannot loose the narrative.

Yeah that’s impossible, to die of natural causes a day later but he died in the line of duty defending the capitol. But we’re not supposed to notice.

 

[ralliann]

It seems to be the practice of some people I’ve encountered on the forum to argue over some insignificant point because they have no answers to the argument being presented.

Even grammer becomes an issue

I was not talking about @Valletta

My comments concerned the link of the coroner.

 

[Valletta]

Yeah that’s impossible, to die of natural causes a day later but he died in the line of duty defending the capitol. But we’re not supposed to notice.

It's their narrative.

 

[BPPLEE]

I’m not ignoring anything. I’m merely addressing a very narrow point.



I don’t particularly care. I don’t recall having ever jumped on that bandwagon. You’d have to ask the people who did.



lol, the reason why those people were there was became Trump, Fox News, and others perpetrated a gigantic fraud on all of them. I’m over here trying to get pedantic about one single point and you guys are acting as if I’m whitewashing stuff. Have some perspective for crying out loud.



From what I understand, most (maybe all?) of them have retracted the claim that this guy died from injuries suffered during the attack.



Are you? This whole insurrection was built on a farce and Tucker Carlson has resurrected it with a new farce.



I don’t know, nor do I particularly care. If you want to castigate the media for jumping the gun on this issue, go for it. I won’t defend them. But you asked me a question about a guy walking around with a head injury and I answered with a personal anecdote about a person walking around for hours with a brain bleed before collapsing in front of me.


lol k buddy. Not everybody wants to get dragged into a giant argument every time. I identified one particular statement that was easy to address and chose to address it. I’m reserving judgment on much of the capitol stuff until the full footage is released, not filtered through the opportunistic fraud that is Tucker Carlson.

You said “But you asked me a question about a guy walking around with a head injury and I answered with a personal anecdote about a person walking around for hours with a brain bleed before collapsing in front of me.” Had this person been hit in the head with a blunt object?