Are we subject to the Old Covenant today?

[Doug Brents]

The New Covenant - is Old Testament Jer 31:31-34 and is quoted verbatim - unchanged in the New Testament Heb 8:6-12

Not sure what your point is, but there are many passages from the Old Covenant that were quoted verbatim in the New Covenant. That is evidence of NOTHING other than that Old Covenant is the basis on which the New Covenant was made, and is still a reference for those of us under the New Covenant. But the Old Law (of Moses) is not the law that we are subject to today.

 

[BobRyan]

Not sure what your point is, but there are many passages from the Old Covenant that were quoted verbatim in the New Covenant

Well let's start by actually reading the new Covenant -

Jer 31:31-34
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord:

a. “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart;​

b. and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.​

c. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord,​

d. “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”​

​

That same NEW Covenant is quoted verbatim - unchanged in Hebrews 8

That is evidence of NOTHING other than that Old Covenant is the basis on which the New Covenant was made

Where in the text above does the New Covenant say "the old covenant is the basis on which this new covenant is made"??

But the Old Law (of Moses) is not the law that we are subject to today.

NT writers quote directly from the Law of Moses as authoritative for NT saints

James 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture,

“You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18)​

you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said,

“Do not commit adultery,” Ex 20:14​

also said,

“Do not murder.” Ex 20:13​

​

Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law.

James is quoting the Law of Moses just as Christ does in Matt 22 and in Matt 19

Eph 6:2 "'Honor your father and mother' (Ex 20:12) which is the first commandment with a promise"​

In that case - Paul quotes directly from the Law of Moses

 

[BobRyan]

As I have said many times, the Old Covenant, and all the parts of it, were replaced by the New Covenant. All of the Old Covenant concepts, ideas, laws and mandates were a shadow of the things to come, Passover was replaced by the better Last Supper, commemorating a better sacrifice. Etc.

Some parts of the OT Law were predictive - Passover is an example of a predictive law.

Other laws were prescriptive - defining what sin is -- so then "do not take God's name in vain" is prescriptive and still applies as James reminds us in James 2, as Paul reminds us in Eph 6:2 and in Rom 7 and in Rom 13... as Christ reminds us in Matt 19 and in Matt 22

 

[Lulav]

I understand the problem the Jews have today. But you, and they have it backwards. The freedom of the Gentiles is also the freedom of the Jews, if they had the faith to accept it.

18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law,​

​

21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to:​

forsake Moses,​

telling them not to circumcise their children​

or walk according to our customs. ​

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22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.​

Notice James didn't say that it was a false accusation. And later when questioned Paul said he was being harassed and threatened because he believed in the resurrection. Great strawman.

But yet he didn't ...

1 Cor “All things are lawful for me,”

Before the end of the first century, that sentence would have been correct. But since then, all of the letters and books of the New Covenant had been written and widely circulated. And while the Old Testament is still a light to illuminate God, it is not the standard of obedience required of us today.

So you are saying now that the Psalms are obsolete? That the word of God in the psalms is no longer true?

But that is the thing. They confused the keeping of the Law with honoring God. They now honor the Law as their god, as the Pharisees did in Jesus’ day.

The Pharisees in Yeshua's day are not blameless, but today there is so much baggage that keeps them from knowing the truth and that fault can be laid at the Goyim's feet.

 

[Doug Brents]

Yes, that's exactly what it is, and why the covenant is renewed.

Sorry, but I am going to defer to Scripture on this, instead of your opinion. Scripture says that there are TWO Covenants, the Old (made at Mt Sinai), and the New (in Christ) (Gal 4). And the Old was made obsolete by the New (Heb 8).

You and I have two different covenants as we speak:

Again, no. There is only one Covenant with God active today. That is the New Covenant in Christ.

for I see the covenant as viewed through the teachings of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts, the covenant having been renewed and refreshed by his Testimony in my heart and mind and understanding. You still see all things the old way even though you claim it has been canceled. It hasn't even been canceled in your own manner of thinking because you still see it the old way proving by your own beliefs that it is not canceled. If it was canceled you wouldn't be here so worried about it and arguing against God's Word with all of your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

The fact that it existed was not removed because it became obsolete. My marriage to my late wife became obsolete when she died in 2011. Does that mean that she never existed, and I was a virgin again because she was the only woman I ever slept with? NO!!! I was still married for those 14 years, and still had a miscarried child with her who is now in Heaven with God.

And the Old Covenant WAS canceled, that is why Gentiles have the opportunity to be saved in Christ where they did not under the Old Covenant. And why no one is required to abstain from any animal flesh (squid, pork, crab, lobster, shrimp, etc.), and why uncircumcised Gentile children are acceptable to God in the Church: the Old has passed away.

Messiah has set me free from the dogmas and decrees of men.
You'll need to start actually proving what you say using scripture.

I have already shown you where, in Scripture, God says this. But I will repost them in the hopes that God will pierce your heart with His truth.
Heb 8:13 - "When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear."
Gal 4:21-31 - "Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the Law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is speaking allegorically, for these women are two covenants: one coming from Mount Sinai giving birth to children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is enslaved with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, infertile one, you who do not give birth;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For the children of the desolate one are more numerous
Than those of the one who has a husband.”
28 And you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time the son who was born according to the flesh persecuted the one who was born according to the Spirit, so it is even now. 30 But what does the Scripture say?
“Drive out the slave woman and her son,
For the son of the slave woman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”
31 So then, brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman, but of the free woman."
2 Cor 3:12-18 - "Therefore, having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and we are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not stare at the end of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts; 16 but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 But we all, with unveiled faces, looking as in a mirror at the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit."
Heb 9:15-28 - "For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the violations that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where there is a covenant, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17 For a covenant is valid only when people are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. 18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22 And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these things, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made by hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Holy Place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."
Rom 7:1-6 - "Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the Law), that the Law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is alive she gives herself to another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress if she gives herself to another man.
4 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were brought to light by the Law, were at work in the parts of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter."
All of these passages, statements of God through His inspired writers, tell us that we are no longer bound to the Old Covenant. Read them. Study them.

There are very clearly two separate cups in the Luke passage:

This is not speculation. If you have never eaten a Passover Sader (which is what the Last Supper was), there are four cups of wine that are drunk during the Sader. The first is the cup of Sanctification, the second is the cup of Deliverance, the third is the cup of Redemption, and the fourth is the cup of Praise. The cup mentioned in Matthew and the second cup mentioned in Luke is the cup of Redemption (the third cup of the dinner). The first cup mentioned in Luke is not the same as the cup mentioned in Matthew.

You admit that the covenant with Abraham was renewed to his offspring but you say it is not renewed to you and yet claim to be his offspring. Or do you not believe the Master, and Yohanne the Immerser, and Paul likewise, when they teach that believers are children of Abraham through belief and faithfulness?

Yes, the Covenant with Abraham was renewed with Isaac (Gen 26:1-3), renewed with Jacob (Gen 28:10-17), and renewed with Moses (Exo 6:1-9). But that covenant was not renewed in Jesus. Jesus fulfilled that Old Covenant, and made a New Covenant.

Gal 3:17-22 - "What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
19 Why the Law then? It was added on account of the violations, having been ordered through angels at the hand of a mediator, until the Seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; but God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? Far from it! For if a law had been given that was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has confined everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."

Paul's words in the immediate context refute your theory:

Galatians 4:1-2 KJV
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Just because someone wrongly decided to insert a chapter break does not mean the topic has changed: it is still the same passage.

"Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the Law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the slave woman [s]was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 [t]This is speaking allegorically, for these women are two covenants: one coming from Mount Sinai giving birth to children [u]who are to be slaves; [v]she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is enslaved with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; [w]she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, infertile one, you who do not give birth;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For the children of the desolate one are more numerous
Than those of the one who has a husband.”
28 And you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time the son who was born according to the flesh persecuted the one who was born according to the Spirit, so it is even now. 30 But what does the Scripture say?
“Drive out the slave woman and her son,
For the son of the slave woman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”
31 So then, brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman, but of the free woman.
4:1 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave, although he is owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. 3 So we too, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elementary principles of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. 6 Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God."
That does not refute anything I was saying. When we are a child, even though we will become lord of all our father owns, we are still classified as a servant, and no better than a slave in the household (in the time this was written). But when we come of age we become an heir. An heir of the New Covenant that was not sent away, but of the New Covenant in Christ represented by Sarah and the New Jerusalem.

Therefore:

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

And what is it that we believe in? Jesus, and the New Covenant in His blood that takes away our sin.

 

[Doug Brents]

Well let's start by actually reading the new Covenant -

Jer 31:31-34
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord:

a. “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart;​

b. and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.​

c. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord,​

d. “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”​

​

That same NEW Covenant is quoted verbatim - unchanged in Hebrews 8

That is not the New Covenant. That is a description of the New Covenant. And yes, it is quoted in Heb 8. What’s your point?

NT writers quote directly from the Law of Moses as authoritative for NT saints

Some of them, yes. But some were excluded: sabbath keeping, dietary laws.

James 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture,

“You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18)​

you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said,

“Do not commit adultery,” Ex 20:14​

also said,

“Do not murder.” Ex 20:13​

​

Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law.

James is quoting the Law of Moses just as Christ does in Matt 22 and in Matt 19

Eph 6:2 "'Honor your father and mother' (Ex 20:12) which is the first commandment with a promise"​

In that case - Paul quotes directly from the Law of Moses

Agreed. But that does not cause all of the Law of Moses to be incorporated into the New Covenant. Only those parts that were quoted are made part of the New. Otherwise, the sacrificial system would still be relevant to today, but there are no more Levites and no more Temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Doug Brents]

Other laws were prescriptive - defining what sin is -- so then "do not take God's name in vain" is prescriptive and still applies as James reminds us in James 2, as Paul reminds us in Eph 6:2 and in Rom 7 and in Rom 13... as Christ reminds us in Matt 19 and in Matt 22

It is only applicable because Paul and Christ say that to the New Testament Christian it is binding. They never said the food laws were applicable, nor the sabbath.

 

[Doug Brents]

18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law,​

​

21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to:​

forsake Moses,​

telling them not to circumcise their children​

or walk according to our customs. ​

​

22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.​

Notice James didn't say that it was a false accusation. And later when questioned Paul said he was being harassed and threatened because he believed in the resurrection. Great strawman.

But yet he didn't ...

1 Cor “All things are lawful for me,”

Indeed, all things (that are not explicitly stated as sin for everyone) are lawful to all Christians (Jewish and Gentiles alike, there is no distinction in the NT). Yet not all things are profitable. Paul purified himself according to the Law to pacify the Jews so that they would listen to the Gospel of Christ. Not because it was still a binding law to him.

So you are saying now that the Psalms are obsolete? That the word of God in the psalms is no longer true?

You keep my head spinning with your lack of logic and deliberate misconstruing of my statements. Yes, the Psalms are relevant as a teaching tool, as an example of glorifying God, of how our pain has been lived through by some of the greatest in the Faith. But not as something we must obey as law today.

The Pharisees in Yeshua's day are not blameless, but today there is so much baggage that keeps them from knowing the truth and that fault can be laid at the Goyim's feet.

No! That is not true at all! Each individual is guilty on his (or her) own for their own choices. Only those responsible have the ability to change anything, so the unbelieving Jews must choose for themselves to believe. The evidence that Jesus is the Christ is all there in Torah (as Matthew points out very clearly), so the idea that the Gentiles are responsible for the hardness of the hearts of the Jews is an insult to God. They are His people, and still they cannot see Him.

 

[BobRyan]

It is only applicable because Paul and Christ say that to the New Testament Christian it is binding.

Until you read text - for example Eph 6.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3 so that it may turn out well for you, and that you may live long on the earth.

Paul did not say "I am an inspired Apostle - children obey your parents --- period." -- rather Paul chooses to appeal to the continued unit of TEN and its authority as well accepted by the Christian church of his day.

No wonder Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN"

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy

 

[Doug Brents]

Until you read text - for example Eph 6.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3 so that it may turn out well for you, and that you may live long on the earth.

Paul did not say "I am an inspired Apostle - children obey your parents --- period." -- rather Paul chooses to appeal to the continued unit of TEN and its authority as well accepted by the Christian church of his day.

No wonder Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN"

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy

Thankfully, those are not the authority on Spiritual matters. They are all wrong in some of their ideas and doctrines (the pope is not even Christian, he’s papist).

And yes, Paul looks back to the commands in the Old Covenant, but he does not appeal to the ten as a group. He mentions specific laws that are carried over into the new. Again, nine of the ten are referenced in the New, but sabbath keeping is not there.

 

[BobRyan]

And yes, Paul looks back to the commands in the Old Covenant, but he does not appeal to the ten as a group. He mentions specific laws that are carried over into the new. Again, nine of the ten are referenced in the New,

Paul never quotes "do not take God's name in vain" - so your idea is not working the way you suggest.

By contrast NT writers do quote directly from the Sabbath commandment -- and that includes Paul.

Do you have any other suggestions?

(James 2 - says that the Ten are included in a unit of Law of God - where to break one is to break them all)

 

[Guojing]

18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law,​

​

21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to:​

forsake Moses,​

telling them not to circumcise their children​

or walk according to our customs. ​

​

22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.​

Notice James didn't say that it was a false accusation. And later when questioned Paul said he was being harassed and threatened because he believed in the resurrection. Great strawman.

Nice, this passage in Acts 21, many people are so eager to read into it and assumed that James and Paul must be in complete agreement, that circumcision is no longer necessary for Jewish believers, that Genesis 17:14 is no longer binding to them, when there is nothing in that passage that remotely hinted of that.

 

[Doug Brents]

Paul never quotes "do not take God's name in vain" - so your idea is not working the way you suggest.

You are correct, Paul does not say “do not take God's name in vain”. But he, like Christ, makes it even stronger when he says, “Do not let any unwholesome words come from your lips “

By contrast NT writers do quote directly from the Sabbath commandment -- and that includes Paul.

Do you have any other suggestions?

(James 2 - says that the Ten are included in a unit of Law of God - where to break one is to break them all)

You read into this passage what is not there. James says nothing of the ten. He does not say what God’s law is; he simply says that breaking any part is a violation of the whole. But as I have said, and shown from Scripture many times, the Old Covenant/Law of Moses is no longer the Law of God. It has been superseded by the New Covenant law of grace through Christ.

 

[HIM]

That is not the New Covenant. That is a description of the New Covenant. And yes, it is quoted in Heb 8. What’s your point?

The point was it is the New Covenant. The ministration went from being told what God wants us to do by an outside source, The Book of the Law and man. To wanting to do it Through Christ and His Spirit through His resurrection and us participating in it through the rebirth.

Some of them, yes. But some were excluded: sabbath keeping, dietary laws.

Not true the dietery laws are mentioned in Acts 10 where Peter said he never ate anything unclean. And the Sabbath is mentioned in Hebrews four where it states that those enter into the Rest of the Gospel also cease from their own works as GOD did from His. God rested the Seventh Day and was refreshed.

Agreed. But that does not cause all of the Law of Moses to be incorporated into the New Covenant. Only those parts that were quoted are made part of the New. Otherwise, the sacrificial system would still be relevant to today, but there are no more Levites and no more Temple in Jerusalem.

Hebrews 8 speaks of the Laws that are not in our hearts anymore and states the reason. It says The Priesthood was changed so there must be a change of the Law. Chapter 9 goes into even more detail about their service and the Temple serves no longer being needed due to Christ's sacrifice. This is even more affirmed with when the New Covenant was actually first given back at the point Israel was about to enter the promise land. In Deut 29:1 God states that he is giving a New Covenant besides the given at Sinia. In chapter 30 verse six through 14 he states it. He says that he will circumcise our hearts. Then our LORD GOD goes on to state if our attentive to His voice and Keep the commandments and statutes in the Book of the Law, the Word that is nigh to us, in our hearts and mouths that we may do it we will experience God's blessings. The fact that the judgements are not mentioned as being in our hearts is quite telling and goes nicely with the context of Hebrews 8 and nine where the writer repeats the New Covenant as it is mentioned in Jeremiah 31 and explains that the Levites and their ministry is not valid anymore because we have been sanctified, made holy and set apart for holy use through Christ.

Deut 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Deut 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deut 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deut 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
Deut 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:
Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

 

[Studyman]

The point was it is the New Covenant. The ministration went from being told what God wants us to do by an outside source, The Book of the Law and man. To wanting to do it Through Christ and His Spirit through His resurrection and us participating in it through the rebirth.

I really enjoy much of your perspective and do not want to diminish what you have said here. But I would like to share a different perspective though. In the old Priesthood, it was required to go find a Levite Priest to read the Law and Prophets to us, as it was even in Jesus' Time. In the New Covenant, it is said that we no longer need other man to teach us about God, as God provided a better way. And look, we all have His Oracles in our own homes, and in our own hearts, and do not need to find another man to hear God.

Paul seemed to understand this and shared the importance of these Scriptures.

2 Tim. 3: 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Without this access to Scriptures, we would all still be subject to the opinions and philosophies of which ever religion we adopted to explain the Bible to us. It seems we already have the Disciples of Christ, Jesus, and the Law and Prophets delivered into our own Homes via the Holy Scriptures.

So I'm not sure about the implication of your statement that the "Book of the Law, and man", are the outside sources we should take heed of, or "beware of". As Paul, Jesus and the Law and Prophets warn about men who are deceivers, but never warn about the Book of the Law. In my view, Paul promotes the Book of the Law, that he calls the "Gospel of Christ", for the man of God. As he teaches in another place.

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

I wanted to share this understanding, and am interested in your thoughts.

Not true the dietery laws are mentioned in Acts 10 where Peter said he never ate anything unclean. And the Sabbath is mentioned in Hebrews four where it states that those enter into the Rest of the Gospel also cease from their own works as GOD did from His. God rested the Seventh Day and was refreshed.

Absolutely Truth, according to the scriptures.

Hebrews 8 speaks of the Laws that are not in our hearts anymore and states the reason. It says The Priesthood was changed so there must be a change of the Law.

My last question would be about this statement. Doesn't the Hebrews author specifically spell out what the Priesthood Law that changed was?

Heb. 7: 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

It seems to me, that not only is this Author speaking of a Change in the Priesthood Law, he is also defining exactly what that change was.

This seems like an important distinction to me.

Great topic.

 

[HIM]

I am presently walking into church for Bible study and worship. I appreciate your mannerism and your reply. Will take time to digest later today.

 

[Doug Brents]

The point was it is the New Covenant. The ministration went from being told what God wants us to do by an outside source, The Book of the Law and man. To wanting to do it Through Christ and His Spirit through His resurrection and us participating in it through the rebirth.

This is true. And it goes to prove my point, that the Old Law was removed (not the intent of the law, but the letter of ether Law).

Not true the dietery laws are mentioned in Acts 10 where Peter said he never ate anything unclean.

Is Peter’s comment more important or more binding on us? Or is God’s? God’s is! And God said not to call common (or unclean) what God had made clean.

And the Sabbath is mentioned in Hebrews four where it states that those enter into the Rest of the Gospel also cease from their own works as GOD did from His. God rested the Seventh Day and was refreshed.

God did not need to be “refreshed” from His work. He was not tired from the puddly task of creating the entire universe.

And yes, He rested on the seventh day. But as with all the other things in the Old Covenant, that is a shadow of the things that are real in the New Covenant. Jesus is now our rest: we rest in His provision of forgiveness and remission of our sins.

Hebrews 8 speaks of the Laws that are not in our hearts anymore and states the reason. It says The Priesthood was changed so there must be a change of the Law. Chapter 9 goes into even more detail about their service and XH the Temple serves no longer being needed due to Christ's sacrifice. This is even more affirmed with when the New Covenant was actually first given back at the point Israel was about to enter the promise land. In Deut 29:1 God states that he is giving a New Covenant besides the given at Sinia. In chapter 30 verse six through 14 he states it. He says that he will circumcise our hearts. Then our LORD GOD goes on to state if our attentive to His voice and Keep the commandments and statutes in the Book of the Law, the Word that is nigh to us, in our hearts and mouths that we may do it we will experience God's blessings. The fact that the judgements are not mentioned as being in our hearts is quite telling and goes nicely with the context of Hebrews 8 and nine where the writer repeats the New Covenant as it is mentioned in Jeremiah 31 and explains that the Levites and their ministry is not valid anymore because we have been sanctified, made holy and set apart for holy use through Christ.

All of this is true, and all of this is significant in God’s word and plan. But none of it is relevant to this discussion. None of this explains away the passages already cited and quoted that state that the Old Covenant was removed in favor of the New Covenant. No Scripture can contradict any other Scripture (if it appears to, then one or both of the Scriptures are being interpreted wrongly). So when three or four passages all say clearly that the Old Covenant was made obsolete, removed, cast out, etc. we know that there will be no other Scriptures that say differently.

 

[HIM]

But I would like to share a different perspective though. In the old Priesthood, it was required to go find a Levite Priest to read the Law and Prophets to us, as it was even in Jesus' Time.

In the New Covenant, it is said that we no longer need other man to teach us about God, as God provided a better way. And look, we all have His Oracles in our own homes, and in our own hearts, and do not need to find another man to hear God.

Yes, but it was never meant to be so. Israel upon hearing God on Sinai cried out in Exod 20:19, " Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die." They chose a mediator and the written Word due to the fear that their hard hearts and stiff necks produced. They were to be as we are to be, a Kingdom of Priests and prophets, a Holy Nation with God's Spirit upon them, His Word in their hearts and throughout their houses. But they as many today stumbled because they sought it not by faith, the changed heart that His Word is meant to produce through His Spirit.
For we all should know Him from the least unto the greatest. And this anointing which we have received, which you my friend have spoke of. The unction from the Holy One leadeth and has lead His children into all truth. Be wary though, a little leaven leavens the whole.

1John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Num 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them,


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Exod 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

1Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Deut 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deut 6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Deut 6:3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deut 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deut 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deut 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Paul seemed to understand this and shared the importance of these Scriptures.

2 Tim. 3: 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Without this access to Scriptures, we would all still be subject to the opinions and philosophies of which ever religion we adopted to explain the Bible to us. It seems we already have the Disciples of Christ, Jesus, and the Law and Prophets delivered into our own Homes via the Holy Scriptures.

Amen, it is the standard and is still needed to keep the leaven out.

So I'm not sure about the implication of your statement that the "Book of the Law, and man", are the outside sources we should take heed of, or "beware of". As Paul, Jesus and the Law and Prophets warn about men who are deceivers, but never warn about the Book of the Law. In my view, Paul promotes the Book of the Law, that he calls the "Gospel of Christ", for the man of God. As he teaches in another place.

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

I wanted to share this understanding, and am interested in your thoughts.

And I yours. Thank you for posting them!
We were never to be a people of the Book. The Book, God's will, that which shows us who He is. Is, was and is to be part of who we are. In the beginning we were made in His image and likeness. So there was no need for the Book then. They knew His will as we because it was part of them. So they as we are without excuse. Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh is manifested in our flesh to reestablish this to His fullest. For He is the first among many brethren. So Word says, let's not say in our heart let's bring Christ, the Word, His commandments and states contained in the book of the Law down from above or up from the deep. But the righteousness of Faith says, The Word, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are in our hearts, mouths and hands that we may do it through the anointing through Christ. That is the word of faith in which we preach.

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godliness; so that they are without excuse.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Deut 30:10 if thou wilt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments, and his ordinances, and his judgments written in the book of this law, if thou turn to the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this command which I give thee this day is not grievous, neither is it far from thee.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven above, as if there were one saying, Who shall go up for us into heaven, and shall take it for us, and we will hear and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, saying, Who will go over for us to the other side of the sea, and take it for us, and make it audible to us, and we will do it?
Deut 30:14 The word is very near thee, in thy mouth, and in thine heart, and in thine hands to do it.

My last question would be about this statement. Doesn't the Hebrews author specifically spell out what the Priesthood Law that changed was
Heb. 7: 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

It seems to me, that not only is this Author speaking of a Change in the Priesthood Law, he is also defining exactly what that change was.

This seems like an important distinction to me.

Great topic.

Amen and yes it is.

 

[HIM]

This is true. And it goes to prove my point, that the Old Law was removed (not the intent of the law, but the letter of ether Law).

Transferred not removed. For God has said in the beginning, say not in your heart who shall bring His Word, His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law down from above or up from the deep. For it is not far from thee. It is in your hearts and mouths that you may do it through Christ. Please note the judgements, that which dealt with when we sinned are not mentioned.

Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Is Peter’s comment more important or more binding on us? Or is God’s? God’s is! And God said not to call common (or unclean) what God had made clean.

God never mention cleansing the unclean only the common in Acts 10:15. And for your information and any other who may read this. The same Greek word koinos translated common here in Acts 10 is the same word in Romans 14 translated by a lot of translations as unclean. This error has caused a lot of confusion through the years and still does. The word should be translated common as it is in Acts 10. When one considers that and the fact that verse 1 in chapter 14 shows the context of the passage is about our opinions not the Word of God. One can see clearly and realize the text is dealing with traditions and treads and not that which God has said.

Acts 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Rom 14:1 And receive him who is weak in the belief, not criticising his thoughts.
Rom 14:2 One indeed believes to eat all food, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 He that eats, let him not despise him who does not eat, and he that does not eat, let him not judge him who eats, for Elohim received him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you that judges another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. But he shall be made to stand, for Elohim is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One indeed judges one day above another, another judges every day alike. Let each one be completely persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He who minds the day, minds it to יהוה. And he who does not mind the day, to יהוה he does not mind it. He who eats, eats to יהוה, for he gives Elohim thanks. And he who does not eat, to יהוה he does not eat, and gives Elohim thanks.
Rom 14:7 For not one of us lives to himself, and not one dies to himself.
Rom 14:8 For both, if we live, we live unto the Master, and if we die, we die unto the Master. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Master’s.
Rom 14:9 For unto this Messiah died and rose and lived again, to rule over both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you despise your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Messiah.
Rom 14:11 For it has been written, “As I live, says יהוה, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to Elohim.” Isa 45:23.
Rom 14:12 Each one of us, therefore, shall give account of himself to Elohim.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another any longer, but rather judge this, not to put an obstacle or a stumbling-block in our brother’s way.
Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Master יהושע that none at all is common of itself. But to him who regards whatever to be common, to him it is common.

God did not need to be “refreshed” from His work. He was not tired from the puddly task of creating the entire universe.

Have you not read,
Exod 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

And yes, He rested on the seventh day. But as with all the other things in the Old Covenant, that is a shadow of the things that are real in the New Covenant. Jesus is now our rest: we rest in His provision of forgiveness and remission of our sins.

Two separate things. Verse 9 says a Sabbath Keeping remains for the people of God. This goes back to verses 4 where it says that God spake of the seventh day on this wise, and God did rest from all His works. But verse 5 says something many miss. It says, "in this again" So with that one must ask what is this that is again? It is as verse 4 stated in that certain place which was Sinai in the giving of the Ten, there God spake of the seventh day on this wise, and God did rest from all His works. So verse 9 is being said in context to verse4 and 5. in respect to God again speaking of the Seventh Day.
Verse ten starts with the word "for" which means as you know what is about to be said is the reason for what was said. It says he that has entered into his rest. This rest connects back to verse 3 where it states that we who have believe do enter into this rest which according to context is of verse 2. So is said to be of the Gospel. The Gospel rest which we experience in Christ Jesus. Verse 10 states that we who have entered into this rest which is the Gospel rest of Christ Jesus ALSO cease from our own works AS God did from His. The word ALSO as you know means in addition too. So that in and of itself shows us that two things are being spoken of here. The Rest which is of the Gospel and the ceasing of work AS God did from His. The word "as" dictates a direct comparison. So the ceasing from work is as God did. God did not enter a spiritual rest in Christ He is our Spiritual Rest in and through Christ. God ceased working and was refreshed on the Seventh Day. So we who have entered into the Gospel Rest which is of and in Christ Jesus ALSO cease from our own work AS God did from His on the Seventh Day.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this again , If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath Keeping to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[Studyman]

Yes, but it was never meant to be so.

Well of course it was never meant to be so. Eve was never meant to listen to the "other voice in the garden" or eat that of which God forbid her to eat. Nor was Adam. But they did and here we are. It seems to me, that ship has already sailed. But i do agree with you, it was never meant to be, and even now, as it is written, "Today" if you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts, as those "many" who fell in the Law and Prophets did.

But wasn't it God, according to Paul, who chose the foolishness of preaching, as Paul was still promoting in the New Covenant, over 14 years after Jesus ascended? God could just snap His Fingers, and we would all become perfect, any time HE wants. But HE Chose the Foolishness of Preaching. And what would men preach, if they didn't have the Oracles of God to Preach from, as both Jesus and His Disciples taught exclusively from. I'm not sure you understood my question. Your said; "The ministration went from being told what God wants us to do by an outside source, "The Book of the Law" and "man".

But Paul teaches the "Book of the Law" was inspired by GOD, and therefore cannot be an outside source in the same context as men, who corrupted it, are an outside source. Jesus Himself said "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." How can I hear Moses, unless God shows me his words. And how has God chosen to show me His Words? From other men like it was in the old priesthood?? No, but by direct access to God's Word, and His spirit given to those who obey Him. At least, this is what the Scriptures teach in my understanding.


I was just surprised that you judged men who corrupted God's Inspired Written Word, "whose damnation is Just", but also judged Gods Inspired Word the same, and both as "outside sources". I'm not sure why you did this and want to make sure I didn't misunderstand you.

Israel upon hearing God on Sinai cried out in Exod 20:19, " Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die." They chose a mediator and the written Word due to the fear that their hard hearts and stiff necks produced. They were to be as we are to be, a Kingdom of Priests and prophets, a Holy Nation with God's Spirit upon them, His Word in their hearts and throughout their houses.

Yes, as was Caleb, and Joshua, and Gideon and Daniel, and Zacharias and Simeon and Anna, and many more examples of faithful men, who denied themselves, picked up their cross, and followed the Rock of Israel.

But Paul was careful to point out.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

How can we become Kings and Priests in God's Kingdom, if we are ignorant of the "Book of the Law" that God specifically had written for those members of the Body of Christ, born in the New Priesthood/Covenant?

It is written that Israel was also given the Gospel of Christ but "many" didn't believe it. Is Paul not also warning us to be careful not to rebel against obedience, as those who fell in the wilderness rebelled?

But they as many today stumbled because they sought it not by faith, the changed heart that His Word is meant to produce through His Spirit.
For we all should know Him from the least unto the greatest. And this anointing which we have received, which you my friend have spoke of. The unction from the Holy One leadeth and has lead His children into all truth. Be wary though, a little leaven leavens the whole.

I agree with you and Paul on this.

Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

There a many who promote the traditions and philosophies of religious sects and franchises who claim to have His Spirit, all promoting different doctrines, definition of Sins, religious traditions found nowhere in Scriptures. Jesus specifically warns of these very men.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Beware of their leaven indeed.

1John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

I agree. The "Book of the Law" is a Spiritual book and can only be understood by the Spirit of Lord's Christ that God gives to those who Obey Him. But for me, how can I know if I am in Him, and not just another person who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, that HE doesn't know?

This is directly addressed in earlier scriptures from this same chapter you are quoting from.

1 John 2:1 My little children, (Body of Christ) these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (This would be the mark of the high calling of God, which is in Christ, that Paul pressed towards, Yes?) And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

This is why the "Book of the Law" AKA, the Holy Scriptures are so important to those who have "Yielded themselves" to obey God, and essential for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:, as Paul teaches, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. "which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Without God's Inspired examples and instruction in Righteousness, what would I "Study to show myself approved"?

This is why I questioned "The ministration went from being told what God wants us to do by an outside source, "The Book of the Law" and "man".

Of a truth we have a new administrator than those before Christ, but the reasons for the mediator have not changed, in my view. And these reasons are revealed in the Book of the Law.