Spiritual death is simply the lack of being spiritual. Unable to know spiritual truths.
And that is simply an assertion, falling short of a Biblical demonstration of Jesus' spiritual death, or a demonstration of my error in denying Jesus' spiritual death.
[EDIT:
Spiritual death is loss of "born from above" (
Jn 3:3-8), which was lost in Adam's rebellion. It is not death of one's immortal spirit.]
In the context of the NT, if Jesus died spiritually (as we were when born), then he would have to be spiritually "born from above" again, just as we do, to have a relationship with God.
The "rebirth" or "born from above" of Jesus is nowhere found in the NT.
Adam and Eve were redeemed and had their sins covered by the Lord because the Lord knew they had repented, though it was too late to go back to where they had been before in the Garden. We can know they were saved by repentance because blood was shed as to provide them with animal skins.
Jesus while bearing our sins could no longer call God "Father." He was being cut off from his relationship because of our sins. That is why we see Jesus crying out as he had...
Cut off from "experience" of spiritual relationship does not mean
spiritual death, loss of "born from above."
The believer can likewise quench the Holy Spirit and experience no "relationship," but it does not mean spiritual death.
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
While
bearing our sins which caused spiritual death, He could not cry out "Father! Father, why have you forsaken me." Jesus had to resort to the generic impersonal term "God."
Again, assertion is not Biblical demonstration.
As with the believer who quenches the Holy Spirit, break in "experience" of relationship does not mean spiritual death.
The "born from above" into eternal life
within the human spirit,
lost by Adam in his rebellion,
do not then lose that life a second time,
nor does their
immortal spirit, which
never died, come back to life a second time.
And
neither did Jesus of Nazareth.
Nowhere is that presented in the NT.
It was only after the payment for our sins was completed that he was restored to fellowship.That is when he began using "Father" once more like he always had.
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”
When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Just before bearing our sins Jesus used "Father" as well
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Its says he became sin. Not he became a sinner.
It says he was a sin-
bearer, that he
bore our sins (
Heb 10:28, 1Pe 2:24) on the tree,
It says he was made a sin
offering (
Ro 8:3,
1Co 15:3,
2 Co 5:21); i.e., sacrifice to pay our debt for sin.
"He became sin" must be understood in the above context of the NT to be understood correctly; i.e.
he became a sin offering.
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.".
In the context of the rest of the NT, that means he took our sin
upon himself, as in the OT sacrificial
pattern of Jesus' atoning sacrifice,
where their sin was
laid on the heads of the bull (
Lev 16:6) and the scapegoat (
Lev 16:2), making them sin-
bearers, not
sin themselves.
Don't confuse the two as you have. Its sin that cuts us off from God. Jesus bore our sins, and by proxy, was cut off. .
I'ts not about my confusion. It's about the contra-Biblical notions of
1) Jesus' spiritual
death meaning,
contrary to the NT, that Jesus would have to be
reborn,
2) Jesus'
atonement meaning,
contrary to the OT
pattern of atonement by sin-
bearing, that Jesus
became sin (a sinner), and
3) a personal theology driving this whole contra-Biblical human notion of atonement.
Why can't you see that for Jesus as well?
Because both the OT and NT testify to the contrary.
Why can't you see
that?
Like the animal Jesus had to die. He died spiritually. And, animal could only symbolize spiritual death, never be the reality like Jesus was.
grace and peace ..........
Assertion without Biblical demonstration, which I have Biblically demonstrated to the contrary,
[EDIT: Forgiveness of sin was by shedding of blood, (Lev 17:11, Heb 9:22) which is physical death, not spiritual death.
Jesus could have died spiritually; i.e., lost eternal (God's) life, simply by sinning, thereby sparing himself the agony of the cross.]
and which demonstration must now be Biblically demonstrated by you to be in error.
